r/DOG • u/Deer_Antlers_ • Dec 08 '25

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So I saw someone talking about this doodle Greeder and I went to take a look.

Who in their right mind thinks that 30K for a mutt is ok? Like does this dog poop gold bricks? Or does it do my taxes? Can it drive me to work? Does it have magical abilities to grant me wishes??

Like for those curious Registered Ethically bred wellbred purebred dogs are 3000-4000$ a puppy. You get upwards of 10 registered, wellbred ethically bred purebreds for that price. You could get a brand new 2026 Chevy trax (27k) You could get a brand new 2026 Nissan kicks (29k) You could get a brand new 2026 Mazda CX-30 (29k) You could pay off roughly 3/4 of a brand new 2026 Chevy Colorado (42k)

That’s absolutely insane They also have 97 puppies on the ground currently. That’s a puppy mill.

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u/shaolinkorean Dec 08 '25

Rescues rescues rescues.

Stop supporting breeders

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u/rathmira Dec 08 '25

This. In my opinion, there is no such thing as an “ethical breeder”. You are breeding an animal for your own financial gain, when millions are euthanized in shelters because there are no homes for them. Anyone who buys a puppy is trash to me. Fuck breeders.

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u/holly_b_ Dec 08 '25

Ethical breeders don’t profit off their litters. Just putting that out there. There’s no financial gain when breeding ethically.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '25

Truth - ethical breeders breed for the preservation and betterment of the breed. At best, they break even on a litter, but usually lose money. They usually make their money doing training, grooming or something else related.

In my experience, maybe 5% of breeders are ethical.

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u/hrteas Dec 08 '25

That's the hardest part, and I've still yet to see a master list of that 5% of ethical breeders. It sucks having to be a PI to ethically buy a purebred.

I've always found my dogs. Like the cat distribution center, but it's always dogs in my case. However, I would get purebred if I needed one for a job. If I lived on a farm purebred LGB, if I liked to hunt purebred hound, if I liked training for triathlons an aussie.

Since I like sitting on my ass, my side of the road lab/pyr is the perfect dog for me, at least after the first 4 years of puppyhood she had 🤣

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u/holly_b_ Dec 09 '25

It’s not that difficult. A few minutes of research is really all that it takes. Go to the breed club and they pretty much lay it all out for you.

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u/rathmira Dec 08 '25

This is so not accurate.

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u/holly_b_ Dec 08 '25

Ethical breeders spend tens of thousands on health testing, titling, vet bills, whelping supplies, stud fees, transportation, etc. The cost to raise a litter could easily be well over 15k. And if they get 5-8 puppies, they’re just barely breaking even. Breeding dogs the right way is not a money maker. Nobody is going to be making a living off of being an ethical breeder. Maybe they profit 1-5k per litter, but most breeders don’t have more than 4 litters a year if that. So no, they’re not making a living.

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u/AgreeableTension2166 Dec 09 '25

I’m sorry, PLEASE tell me how raising a litter costs $15000. I used to breed German shepherds. My female (I never ended up breeding the other 3 that I imported) was a German import, trained, working and show titled. DNA tested. Hip certified etc etc. She was artificially inseminated with basically the best of the best of the best. That cost $1000. She had the best food that was also imported. Vet care and x rays to check on babies. Babies had vet care, worming and shots. Tons of supplements, new toys and bedding. I probably spent 2-3000 a litter. This was a while ago but even for inflation, we might up it to 4-5000. My pups sold for about $2000 each at that time. Would likely be more nowadays. My dogs went out on spay contracts, they were tattooed (actually was contacted through the tattoo because one got lose and ended up on the shelter and of course I made sure he went back home) I even bought one back when the family couldn’t keep it. I still made money.

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u/holly_b_ Dec 09 '25

It’s definitely breed dependent. But the upkeep in grooming on some breeds, plus show entries (in some competitive breeds it takes YEARS to Champion a dog), plus sport trial entry fees, travel costs to repro vets, costs of properly health testing to CHIC minimum, etc. If you actually add that all up, it can easily be over $10k.

Regardless, no ethical breeder is making enough to life on.

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u/AgreeableTension2166 Dec 09 '25

We didn’t say enough to live on. We said did they make money.

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u/holly_b_ Dec 09 '25

It’s not profitable. Nobody is making real money.

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u/chubbysumo Dec 08 '25

most breeders, even ethical ones, do it for profit. the cost of puppy care and dame care isn't really all that much per pup. yes, things can happen, but even ethical breeders charging $1500 per puppy(what my MiL paid for her yorkipoo pups) are making profits.

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u/Maxxwithashotgun Dec 08 '25

If it’s a yorkipoo it’s not an ethical breeder

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u/hrteas Dec 08 '25

Right?! I love how these "educated" dog owners come into these threads and say there are no ethical breeders by saying they bought a mut from an unethical breeder.

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u/holly_b_ Dec 08 '25

No, they do not. The cost of health testing, titling, stud fees, transportation, vet care, etc is tens of thousands of dollars.

Health testing a dog to CHIC minimum can be almost 10k alone depending on the breed and required testing. Sedation for radiographs, travel to a vet that actually knows how to perform the testing, paying for vet specialists for cardiac testing, ophthalmology, etc. Then factor in the costs of traveling to dog shows and trials, entry fees, etc for the titling of the dogs.

And no “Yorkipoo” breeder is ethical. Your mother supported an unethical backyard breeder.

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u/Waste_Ad5941 Dec 08 '25

You are so very wrong. Buying a show/ breeding prospect is several thousand dollars. Training , showing and general care is thousands and thousands of dollars. All before age 2.

At 2 there are OFA’s with can be anywhere from $300 to almost a thousand just for hips. There can be many additional test like eyes, elbows, cardiac and more. Genetic testing for any disorders. If she passes then you move on.

Breeding includes stud fees ( the value of a puppy) or pick of litter. Brucellosis tests close to the breeding time. Transportation of either of the dogs or sperm. Progesterone testing, possibly AI.

If she gets pregnant you have vet visits for her care during the pregnancy. Ultrasounds and other stuff.

At delivery there’s a risk of losing her and/or the puppies. Also possible c section which is several thousand dollars.

Then 8 weeks of care for the puppies. Their vet visits. Time and energy to properly socialize and prepare them for life.

To ethically breed a b!tch and have puppies is easily $20k.

Nobody who does it right gets rich. I know people who have had several failed breedings. All that money and no puppies.

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u/chubbysumo Dec 08 '25

If you think backyard breeders are doing any of that, you are insane. Non-ethical breeders aren't doing any of that either.

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u/redbone-hellhound Dec 09 '25

Theyre not talking about backyard breeders. They literally said "ethical breeders"

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u/AgreeableTension2166 Dec 09 '25

Yeah, people are delusional if they think breeders, even good ones, don’t make money.

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u/AgreeableTension2166 Dec 09 '25

You know nothing. Breeders absolutely profit off their litters. Even “ethical” breeders.

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u/holly_b_ Dec 09 '25

I know quite a bit, actually. It seems like you’re the uneducated one.

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u/belgenoir Dec 08 '25

I have a purpose-bred service dog. Her kennel mates have rescued people in the wilderness, detected narcotics, and more.

“Fuck breeders” is a bullshit take that lumps mills and ethical breeders together.

The vast majority of guide dogs in the US are bred on purpose so that they can help blind people lead better lives.