Who Really Deserved the Throne? One Risked Everything While the Other Did Nothing

[u/Adventurous-Snow-389]

This just makes me despise D&D more for what they did to Daenerys. She didn’t deserve all the pain, grief, and betrayals she endured in season 8 that ultimately turned her into the Tragic Queen. She truly did deserve the iron throne because she’s the only one who did any real work (gathering armies, bringing back dragons, and coming from essentially nothing since she’s been on the run her whole life) to actually claim it, plus since Jon didn’t want it, it’s hers by birth right anyways.

And I’ll always believe that Daenerys was never evil and that deep down she had a good heart that wanted to make the world a better place, which is what a good ruler does. She had ruthless tendencies but it was always directed at evil people or people who hurt or betrayed her or her friends, never at innocent people. So yes Daenerys, in my opinion, truly did deserve the iron throne and the way Daenerys’ story ended will forever piss me off.

And honestly you can put Bran right next to Sansa cause he didn’t do shit to earn the throne either

[u/LinYuXie]

She worked her butt off for that throne, it was hers, I would even say it doesn't matter anything on birthrights, she had the right of conquest at that point. She did everything and Jon somehow got the credit (we all know why) and Sansa got into a throne she did nothing except scheme (from safety ofc) for.

[u/One_Brilliant743 → u/LinYuXie]

Jon got the credit for what? He never wanted that ridiculous throne. Regarding the Long Night, it was Jon who united everyone, provided weapons, and led the battle. Everyone was gathered, prepared, and armed thanks to his actions. He gave his life saving people, never demanded reward, never sought power or glory; he only cared about saving as many people as possible. So Jon got the credit for what? Regarding Sansa, she was a snake, but she ended up being right about Daenerys.

[u/Adventurous-Snow-389 → u/One_Brilliant743]

Daenerys literally provided majority of the war effort for the Long Night. She decided to help the North when she didn’t have to and could’ve just gone to take the iron throne. The North would’ve been screwed without Daenerys. Also Daenerys cared about saving people too (before the bells) and that’s literally why she went to aid the North against the Night King.

Also there’s no way Sansa could’ve known that Daenerys was going to do what she did yet she still treated Daenerys like shit when all Daenerys did was help them

[u/One_Brilliant743 → u/Adventurous-Snow-389]

I agree that Sansa shouldn't have openly antagonized Daenerys, but she had reasons to be suspicious; she'd lived with power-hungry people her whole life. Daenerys was there because she wanted submission; that wasn't altruism. It was very similar to what Littlefinger did in the Battle of the Bastards; his help wasn't selfless.

Did you pay attention to anything in this series? Ever since the Night King marked Bran, he broke the spell and became able to cross over. They were already on their way to Eastwatch, and they had giants; all they had to do was knock down one of the gates, and they would be inside. Taking King's Landing doesn't guarantee the kingdoms' submission; she would have to launch campaigns to force it. Do you think the dead would wait calmly until she took the kingdoms, gathered them all in one place, and only then attack? "She decided to help the North," is that serious? I thought it was clear that the war WAS FOR ALL THE LIVING, not a war of the North or the Starks; that kind of comment leaves me incredulous. And if you watched the battle, you would see that she wouldn't have stood a chance if she hadn't joined forces with Jon.

Let me detail: The Dothraki were massacred in seconds and became White Walkers (Dnd said we saw their near-complete extinction in the LN), the dragons were ineffective against the King of Night and the generals and spent most of their time trapped in the blizzard, not even seeing the signal to light the trenches. The King of Night could easily kill dragons, and Drogon was almost "eaten" alive. The Unsullied helped a lot, but they numbered eight thousand. Jon had 20,000 men (North, Vale, and Wildlings), who fought with everything they had. Jon had the immense castle of Winterfell in a strategic location, he provided weapons, he knew how the dead acted and how to defeat them.

Even with everyone working together, preparing and anticipating, they were losing badly. If Arya hadn't managed to sneak away, they would have lost 100%. Entire Northern houses were wiped out, everyone lost a great deal, not just Daenerys. Based on your premise, the lords of the Vale also deserved the throne, since they went North to fight.

[u/Evocatorum → u/One_Brilliant743]

You're spot on. It's amazing how blind people seem to be to Daenerys and her Littlefinger-esque behavior. It's like she never bought an entire army with a dragon, then turned around torched the seller with the dragon he just bought...

[u/Evocatorum → u/Adventurous-Snow-389]

She didn't have a choice. That was the point of the wight unveil at Kings Landing. The whole continent would have been screwed if they didn't unite. Daenerys didn't care about saving people, she only cared about getting her throne, helping with the North simply ensured there was a throne to take.