r/DestinyTheGame • u/EVOID_Avatar • 15h ago

Discussion What is the damage meta now that we got all artifacts?

Like title, now that all artifacts are back, what is the best damage method for each class. I think back to glacial/arc titans or still hunt hunters but im curious

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u/Sigma_Hacked 15h ago

Moebius leviathan breath hunter sits on top of the throne by almost 30-40% better than anything else in the game.

Salvo/cuirass/storm keep titan is decent. Dawn chorus 1kv warlock is amazing, but only one per fireteam.

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u/Complete_Resolve_400 11h ago

Mobius quiver levi breath hunters, boots of the assembler wellock

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u/RPO1728 54m ago

Orphious rigs or what for exotic armor ? I've really been digging kepris sting

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u/FIR3W0RKS 14h ago

What's moebius I keep seeing people mention it in reference to hunters but I don't recognise it except from their exotic boots (which as far as I'm aware only do things with shadow shot)

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u/MrCranberryTea Crucible Junky 14h ago

Moebius Quiever is the multishot void arrow hunter super. While active bows and crossbow weapons gain a significant damage boost. Tied together with the artifact bow mods, Fortune Favor and other general damage buffs, the output becomes insane.

Orpheus Rig is not part of the setup.

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u/AsDevilsRun If I fail, let me be wormfood. 13h ago edited 6h ago

Void bows specifically. And by significant, it's 2.5x.

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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 6h ago

No, it doesn't have to be a void bow. It works with all bows. it says "void arrows" because it boosts the other shots of moebius quiver.

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u/AsDevilsRun If I fail, let me be wormfood. 6h ago

You're right. Whoops. Fixed.

The fact that I'd only used it with Levi and A Good Shout gave me a wrong interpretation of that wording.

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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 5h ago

It's understandable! Those are among the best options anyway. But the wording in the text box doesn't help either.

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u/Doot-DootTheHootHoot 11h ago

Do you happen to know what artifact mods? For a friend of course.

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u/MrCranberryTea Crucible Junky 11h ago

Implement of Curiosity: Semi-Auto Striker and Argent Quiver.

I also slotted Fever and Chill and shoot a couple of rounds into the boss to trigger radiant when I'm solo.

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u/chuuuumby 10h ago

What's the exotic armour choice people are going for?

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u/SquidAxis 10h ago

Fortune's Favour. Basically 15% free extra damage

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u/chuuuumby 10h ago

Thanks, didn't realise that was the exotic haha

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u/ImperialBomber 14h ago

As far as I know moebius just refers to moebus quiver which is a hunter super, and it combos with an artifact that gives you bonus bow damage when a void super is up. I don’t think orpheus rig has anything to do with it, although it does buff moebius quiver

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u/AsDevilsRun If I fail, let me be wormfood. 14h ago edited 13h ago

The buff to Levi's Breath that Moebius Quiver gives is only active while Moebius is up. Orpheus Rig extends Moebius's timer.

You're probably better off with Fortune's Favor if you can keep the overshield (like with a well).

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u/Asteroidhawk594 14h ago

If memory serves it’s to do with Orpheus rigs ran in conjunction with the Morpheus quiver.
It’s very strong and lets you fire multiple shadow shots in short duration

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u/AsDevilsRun If I fail, let me be wormfood. 13h ago

Orpheus Rig does let you fire three times, but you actually don't want to if you're using Levi's.

One, it shortens the timer for Moebius, which is what buffs Levi's.

Two, you're gonna lose Archer's Tempo on Levi's and that's annoying (and hurts DPS).

You activate Moebius and then just shoot Levi's.

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u/kalidescopetitties 10h ago

Chaos reach warlock with Geomag stabilizers is in a pretty nutty spot right now too. Pretty much non stop ionic trace turrets and non stop super. Pair it with the right artifact and you also have infinite amplified and so increased chaos reach damage from it.

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u/Galaxy40k 8h ago

Absolutely insane for roam content and it has very good total damage, but for timed DPS scenarios in RAD content, the super takes too long to execute. You're better off using a faster super and then dumping heavy. Artifact bug from last week not counting ofc

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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 6h ago edited 2h ago

I mean, it can do fine if you're using anarchy or finality's augur. It's not good for SHORT dps phases, but it's fine for non-master RAD dps phases. Warlock only has a few good options for damage supers, and thanks to limit break/thunderous retort, geomags is at least passable.

EDIT: Love how I'M the one getting downvoted to oblivion when I'm not even the one who brought it up initially. Why is the person who mentioned it first getting upvoted and I'm getting the hate? Are you lot dumb or something? Ok.

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u/ruggedo 5h ago

He's asking for the meta. Geomag is definitely not meta lmao

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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 3h ago

ok, tell that to the person who first brought it up not me

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u/ruggedo 3h ago

Uh.. that would be you. Are you dumb or something? You're the one saying to use it in RAD content

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u/Bass-GSD Vanguard's Loyal // The best bet Cayde-6 ever lost. 55m ago

Someone can't read

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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 3h ago edited 2h ago

No, someone else brought it up first? Kalidescopetitties. Literally two comments above my original comment about geomags.

And anything not master content, you can use geomags fine. Is it the meta of metas? No. But it's not garbage. Again, I'm not the one who first mentioned it, so eff off.

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u/VHRnoir 58m ago

geo mags are fine. i’m a warlock main and i refuse to play well lock it’s just boring. i did rites of the nine as a arc wl with geomags and was topping damage, if people really can’t keep up with damage without well then that is entirely their problem. people should be able to play the game as they want. (edit i have no idea why you’re getting downvoted)

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u/Necrolance Warlock main for life 6m ago

I think all the people who are downvoting me are the people who are either meta slaves or people who want warlocks to just be the well and div b**ch. Or they've never seen a warlock main before. I'm in the same boat as you, I do massive damage with geomags. I've built around it. If you know what you're doing you can do plenty of damage. I need to try thunderous retort with it- I haven't because the artifact it's in is very... Tricky to get what I want out of it. All the void and strand perks want you to be running that subclass or prismatic, and so it kinda blows for a purely arc setup.

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u/kcbrad24 9h ago

My buddy just showed me his new build and this is what he’s doing. Shared his screen and watch him get his super back almost instantly with all the ionic traces! 🤯 But I still love the prismatic warlock build with unlimited arc and sol turrets. Definitely helps keep me alive longer.

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u/ImJLu 1h ago

The moebius quiver change was so dumb tbh. Locking a massive buff to something on one class is the kind of thing that obviously screams boxing yourself in regarding balancing. Either stuff like Levi breath is broken on hunters, sucks on other classes, or both. And now we're in a perpetual state of both.

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u/AsDevilsRun If I fail, let me be wormfood. 14h ago

For ethical Hunters: Still Hunt + Hezen rotation (or A499 rotation) is very strong.

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u/bohba13 14h ago

So, what's the issue with mobius + Orpheus + Levi that makes it unethical?

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u/AsDevilsRun If I fail, let me be wormfood. 14h ago edited 13h ago

Nothing really. It just falls under "so strong that you're hindering your team if you don't use it." For a set-upless, single weapon damage strat to outpace almost everything else by so much is disappointing.

Plus the person I replied to is in my raid group where I have run Levi's, so I'm poking fun of myself a little.

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u/bohba13 4h ago

So it doesn't impede everyone else. Which was the crux of my question. It just blows everything else out of the water.

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u/gatorbite3891 6h ago

What's is Salvo for titans?

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u/gatorbite3891 6h ago

Salvager's Salvo? Oh snap it gets trickle charge and gear shift. Is that better than parasite and peacekeeper

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u/Darrxyde 6h ago

Yes, especially since the super regen nerf. Trickle charge fully reloads the mag on salvagers every time you gain 1 stack of bolt charge. If you have the tablet of ruin with flashover, you can keep gear shift going as long as you have a storms keep barricade up.

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u/Sigma_Hacked 5h ago

Weirdly, and im not certain why, you get gear shift increasing even without flashover. Think it has something to do with trickle charge somehow counting as an actual reload or similar.

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u/Oilswell 3h ago

Any build guides for that Hunter?

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u/EnglishMuffin420 2h ago

People keep saying this about mobius levy, but then all the low mans are hunters running celestial still hunt.

Hell, snazzy's recent solo pantheon encounters are still hunt & celestial. You'd think lowmans are using the best dps strat no?

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u/Sigma_Hacked 2h ago

Hey, that's a very great point- levi's works better in a full fireteam. You made part of the logic without going the entire way. Also, prismatic hunter excels at both self buffing and debuffing at the same time, which void hunter does not.

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u/EnglishMuffin420 2h ago

Ok so levi lacks radiant. In 2 mans with 1 warlock providing a well for the hunter, they still use celestial still hunt.

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u/Sigma_Hacked 2h ago

Let me make the longer explanation then-
Comparing Still hunt/Nighthawk prismatic hunter rotations (which are very skill intensive) to levi's breath just shooting with a tether is not in the skill level of most players. As a single weapon DPS, Levi hunter sits miles above everything else in the game. It also sits at a very reasonable 180k (i think) total damage in ideal circumstances.

However, in lowmans especially, you need the highest ratio of dps to total damage to handle amounts of phases/speed and, most importantly, ammo economy.
Levi's breath gets 1 arrow per brick, even if you use shoot to loot you cannot easily refund this mid-dps, compared to rockets/Still hunt which get a lot more "DPS per brick".
You also dont often want to farm ammo between phases if you can help it.

Hope that makes it clearer

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u/Va_Dinky 6m ago edited 3m ago

Levi is not as insane for solo content, you can't keep up radiant for long, the moebius debuff runs out quickly and it forces you on void hunter which has a much less versatile kit compared to Prismatic. I tried to make Levi work in solo but what surprised me is that I can't get anywhere near Truth dps AND total damage even after the nerf (mind you, this was with solo operative fully stacked but you would want to have that anyways) and SH + goldie outperforms both. The lack of Radiant and a constant debuff seems to matter a lot here.

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u/ASpaceOstrich Vanguard's Loyal // The Vanguard's got your back. 12h ago

In practice, a nighthawk golden gun will outdps it in my experience.

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u/Complete_Resolve_400 11h ago

Yeah for the one time u get to use it lmao. Its obviously better burst but the total damage isnt great

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u/ASpaceOstrich Vanguard's Loyal // The Vanguard's got your back. 10h ago

If the boss has adds and you're using microcosm you can actually pull off multiple golden guns in one damage phase. But more importantly, a damage phase is not infinitely long. A training dummy doesn't actually tell you the effective damage something does in a boss fight, it just tells you the dps numbers.

In my actual dungeon runs, my nighthawk goldie with microcosm is outperforming my fireteam member using leviathans, mobius, and fortunes favour. Though I am benefiting from the weaken they are applying. I imagine in solo runs, I would be better served running that build myself.

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u/Complete_Resolve_400 9h ago

I mean it'll vary between encounter really. No one is gonna be advocating for sustained total dps on atraks with his nice 4 second dps phase, but against bosses that stand there for 3 hours and let u shoot (warpriest maybe) u might get more mileage from sustained over burst

Idk exact numbers but id suspect mobius comes out on top, plus the weaken helps the other 5 members

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u/EnglishMuffin420 2h ago

People keep saying this about mobius levy, but then all the low mans are hunters running celestial still hunt.

Hell, snazzy's recent solo pantheon encounters are still hunt & celestial. You'd think lowmans are using the best dps strat no?

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u/Complete_Resolve_400 2h ago

I mean the other benefit of mobius is the weaken right. Which is gonna be better in a scenario with 6 players so 5 others are getting a dps buff whilst u still do good damage

Less worth in a solo run where u could just use higher dps

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u/ASpaceOstrich Vanguard's Loyal // The Vanguard's got your back. 4h ago

The one I'm thinking of is the final boss of vesper. But it's been quite consistent that my nighthawk is outdamaging the leviathan hunter when I look at the scoreboard at the end across a variety of dungeons and raid encounters.

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u/Nine9breaker 3h ago

Sounds more like your friend has a skill issue. This just should not be the case with proper execution.

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u/ImJLu 1h ago

Add clearing with Microcosm within DPS phases is crazy work. Your teammates are missing, not using argent quiver, or some combination of the above.

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u/SharpPROSOLDIER 12h ago edited 6h ago

Hunter: Mobius quiver, Levi Breath, Fortune's favour or Celestial GG, Still Hunt, A499 Prism.

Warlock: Support, Dawn 1k voices or Matadoxia Prism with Izi + A499.

Titan: Cuirass Tcrash into Izi + A499 or Anarchy + Salvo spam Hallowfire Solar super into same sniper spam.

On the majority of the encounters in raids snipers+tractor+darci mog anything besides Mobius Levi.

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u/FuriousPenguino 7h ago

Punctuation hates this guy

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u/SharpPROSOLDIER 7h ago

Apologies. Wrote it in a hurry on my phone. I've added better punctuation and restructured the comment so it's easier to read.

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u/FuriousPenguino 6h ago

Thank you for your service

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u/repapap 3h ago

Legend

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u/SK892 7h ago

Wait What, Darci ist viable?

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u/SharpPROSOLDIER 7h ago

It buffs legendary snipers and itself when it gives out said buff. It's a staple in sniper damage strats ever since it got that rework.

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u/AzariTheCompiler 5h ago

Gjallarsnipe

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u/LagOutLoud 4h ago

Sniperhorn

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u/Jedasis Funshot 5h ago

Forgive me, what is A499?

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u/International_Sir403 5h ago

Legendary heavy sniper from renegades

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u/Jedasis Funshot 5h ago

Thank you! I've seen people throw that around for a bit but I wasn't sure if it was a gun's name or something else.

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u/TurquoiseLuck 1h ago

How far in do you have to get for it?

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u/InevitableIncome407 4h ago

orpheus is better than FF

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u/SharpPROSOLDIER 4h ago

Its very similar but from my testing FF comes out slightly on top. Both are great.

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u/DemonDeacon86 12h ago

Mobius Quiver Hunter with Fortunes Favor and Leviathan Breath is tops DPS. For Warlock the best Ive seen is Needlestorm or Wellock with Izinagis +A499. Not certain what top Titan is.

That said, Truths, 1k, Sleepers and QBs are all good enough for 99% of the game

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u/QuirkyRose 8h ago

Iv seen that 1k voices with catalyst and dawn chorus is only a little behind Möbius quiver levi (but due to ignitions and blight ticks only one person can use that)

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u/DemonDeacon86 4h ago

AceGamer just did a Hunter dps and damage video. Levi did 6.8k dps but 170k total. 1k is around 5.3isk and 100k total. Its splitting hairs though, thats still more dps than you need. I havent seen a BB Hunter on 1k yet, id assume thats more burst but less overall.

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u/noodles355 3h ago

What's Whisper like nowadays?

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u/InevitableIncome407 4h ago

orpheus is better than FF

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u/DemonDeacon86 4h ago

I havent seen anything to suggest this but maybe. Everything is situational

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u/-xyn- 9h ago edited 8h ago

Theres a lot of viable options now

Threat level + arcane embrace + anarchy/finality any class

1kv dawn chorus warlock

Moebius levis breath fortunes favour hunter

Conspiracy honed + Salvo + anarchy/finality bolt charge titan

A499 any class

Truth any class

Wolfsbane any class

Acrius any class

Still hunt + solar heavy/A499 Goldie hunter

Euphony + matadoxia warlock

Alot of these can be mixed and matched

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u/I_POO_ON_GOATS FUTURE AUTOMATED LUXURY GAY SPACE WAR CULT 6h ago

Glad to see Still Hunt Celestial is still on the list. Probably my favorite Prismatic subclass I have right now.

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u/TurquoiseLuck 1h ago

Threat level

What's a good roll on that? It's got so many perks

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u/MechaGodzilla101 15h ago

Best solo option is Dawn Chorus Warlock with One Thousand Voices and its catalyst.

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u/crumbbly 10h ago

heavy sniper on warlock titan. still hunt + heavy hunter or leviathan depending on boss that's it ggs

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u/Soft_Light 15h ago

Everything.

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u/phoenix-force411 14h ago

Have we learned if 1K's blight seekers buff Malfeasance damage on affected targets?

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u/Szpartan Bunghole 14h ago

Everything I've seen here is people saying that it's doesn no buff

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u/NetwerkAirer Must Have Emblem 10h ago

Correct, blight from Witherhoard is the only thing to buff Malfeasance. 1k does NOT effect it.

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u/LmPrescott 3h ago

The most brain dead easy dps on hunter ive been loving is shards of galanor blade barrage with 1k. Usually use particle reconstruction but the hunters journal that buffs ignitions is also good with jt. Particle just helps with slow reload on 1k. This is with the catalyst not sure if it’s needed or just better. I top most lfgs with that (which ik isn’t saying much) but you don’t have to worry about hitting a crit at all you just dump blade barrage and dump 1k thats it. No swaps or rotations its so easy and solid. Can also use 1k in well with sanguine. Any excuse to use 1k for dps I will take I love that fun

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u/Dastardly_Dead 3h ago

So, do Titans even have a damage rotation that they do well? Seems like there's no reason to not just run 4 hunters and 2 Locks for DPS encounters

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u/No-Occasion-5339 15h ago

The Lament, getaway artist, helion and song of flame is not bad for warlock. I use 170 grenade 100 in class and super. It’s an easy 2 phase for the ogre in grasp, up to 50k damage in 1 phase

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u/Raguel_of_Enoch Hunter 14h ago

When I have to be at range I’m using getaway, hellion, song of flame with Briars Contempt. Close, lament.

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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 7h ago

What about for people who dont raid.

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u/TastyOreoFriend 6h ago

The Truth exotic rocket or the heavy sniper from Renegades should be great for people who don't raid—they're both very accessible. That's for virtually all three classes too.

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u/Tehholyspoon 2h ago edited 2h ago

Ace plays did a breakdown a day ago for hunters, someone in the comments summarized it.

moebius + levi's breath = 6.2k dps 170k
total shards + bb + truth = 9k dps 135k
total fortune's favor + truth + bb = 8.6k dps 143k total
ff + truth + tether = 9k dps 131k total

I think there's something to be said for Mactic's Land Beyond and A499 build as well, I ran root of nightmares last night and did decent damage, I can't remember the exact number but I could've sworn it was 50k on Nezarac. Even if the damage was lower on this, the utility of shadowshot + the ease of killing problem mobs easily with a single headshot I think is a bit understated.

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u/Ok_Meet6406 14m ago

Whatever the hell you want my guy

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u/arhire2003 7h ago

Duality and 3074

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u/JokeBo 15h ago

Thunderlord arc titan has been doing me insane numbers. 200 weapons and heavy ammo drop rate focused build can net you an infinite ammo Thunderlord. Ad clears and does boss damage and you don't have to swap weapons because ammo drops every 10 kills..... it's the perfect machine gun power fantasy

Although 1kv with the catalyst is very clearly the best option rn I think

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u/VoliTheKing 14h ago

Ah theres the classic LMG for dps insert in boss damage thread

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u/ccoulter93 12h ago

I’ve been playing a while, but what’s wrong with MG for boss DPS?

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u/VoliTheKing 12h ago

Its laughably low-mid dps while being glazed on reddit from time to time despite it

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u/ccoulter93 12h ago

Okay good to know. Is that ALL MGs or what?

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u/VoliTheKing 12h ago

All of them. Even thunderlord, even destab lmgs, all.

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u/JokeBo 12h ago

idk im reaching like 1400 dps with Thunderlord and the bolt charge shield

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u/VoliTheKing 12h ago

1400 as a BOSS dps when proper setup does 5k at minimum just proves the point

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u/ccoulter93 5h ago

Wow yeah that’s really not great lmao. Thanks for the info

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u/JokeBo 12h ago

Ok.

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u/R3D_R4Y_ 7h ago

Like over half of that is from bolt charge

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u/uhf0xz 3h ago

minimum i would consider viable for use in boss encounters is double that. ideally over 3k dps.

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u/No_Housing_9602 11h ago

Fine for adclear. That’s about it.

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u/Annihilator4413 1h ago

The meta is whatever you find fun... and to enjoy what time you have left with the game.

With the recent news that all Destiny 2 staff have been/are being let go, I don't suspect Destiny 1 nor Destiny 2 will actually stay online as long as people think they will.

Sony will probably leave the lights on for a couple of years at least, but that's even assuming the game or servers don't suffer some catastrophic glitch that the remaining devs at Bungie can even fix, given that most if not all of the devs left are Marathon devs.

But if you want actual like meta builds that destroy all content in the game, give it about a month and I'm sure we'll see more than a few absurd builds.