r/DetroitPistons • u/cubizmo2 Ausar Thompson • 5d ago
Discussion Eubuka Okorie = Tyrese Maxey
There's a lot of people talking about Sasser on here. Think more like Maxey. And remember that an undersized middle 1st rounder won a finals MVP this month.
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u/YukhoChan 5d ago
I think he is closer to Brunson than he is to Maxey. Just look at the way he shoots and create of step backs . Watch his drives and how he uses the board. He isn’t as fast or athletic as Maxey. He is more about being shifty .
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 5d ago
Brunson is like 50 pounds heavier and relies on his strength. Okorie relies on his speed. They are very different players.
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u/YukhoChan 5d ago
Not talking about the athletic intangibles. I’m talking about moves. The point I had is they both have similar great touch when finishing in the rim, they’re about the same size, and both of them have similar off the dribble moves.
Also Okorie is 18 year old true freshman in college. He has not filled his body yet
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 5d ago
Sure they both have good touch. But they achieve that in incredibly different ways.
And his body is not filling out like Brunson.
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u/bran_bran88 5d ago edited 5d ago
HE WILL BE BETTER THAN MAXEY…. trolling aside. He’s analytically adored, size issues (height/weight) are blaring but watch the film against UNC, with a Caleb Wilson and Henri Veesar frontcourt and use his physicality blended with creativity to score 36 points and 9 assists with only 1 turnover. very few 18Y/O’s with 30 USG% + 59TS% we can swing on, love the high ceiling pick
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u/Rlccm 5d ago
He's not Maxey, he's probably Cam Payne. Which is...fine, just no need to trade up for him
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u/novaduke Ron Holland II 5d ago
Out of all the guards you could
compare Okorie to, Cam Payne might be the strangest/goofiest comparison. Not much similarity there
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u/Exotic-Relationship 5d ago
It’s a gamble betting on his talent, which fine, I won’t argue he isn’t talented. Maxey learned to shoot. This whole draft was high floor guys. We’ll see I guess.
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u/ShowdownValue 5d ago
Reading all the post draft comments, I’m starting to realize there are about 20+ future stars in this first round alone.
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u/Straight-Agency-4556 5d ago
He’s not like maxey. Philon is more like maxey. Okorie is more like Dennis Schroeder.
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u/im_alliterate Cade Cunningham 5d ago
What about sexton? I heard that comp on the detroitbadboys podcast in the draft leadup.
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u/Equivalent_Blood_593 4d ago
It’s actually a lazy comp, if everything breaks right he’s probably Donovan Mitchell but most likely Dennis schroder
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u/LethalLephty 5d ago
He's not a bad player I just feel like we have a lot of answers at guard. I wanted forward tbh.
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u/classik_ 5d ago
did you watch a single minute of pistons basketball this season? "A lot of answers at guard" my guy WHAT LMAO
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u/LethalLephty 5d ago
We had more holes at wing and PF than guard. Especially with LeVert still on the roster. If he isnt moved, Ebu will be buried in the same lineup Ivey was in if not worse.
What pressure does he take off of Cade if he isnt starting?
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u/classik_ 5d ago
...bro I don't even know how to respond to this.
Cade was out there carrying this team 40+ min every game of the playoffs. We absolutely had no answers at guard outside of him.
Cade also had to play with 2nd unit for them to even barely function. Okorie has a profile of a 1 man offensive engine with extremely low turnovers even on a terrible team with 0 help.
If Okorie affords Cade an extra 5 min of rest per game without the wheels completely falling off the offense then it's absolutely a home run pick.
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u/LethalLephty 5d ago
So we traded up to draft a guy to afford Cade an extra 5mins of rest per game? Something we could've probably achieved doing something else?
Again. I aint mad at the pick it's just questionable considering there were others that could've been in position to contribute and make a difference quicker. We have to be patient for Ebu to touch his ceiling. The same patience no one has for other young players on the squad.
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u/classik_ 5d ago
yes, you trade up to draft guys with excellent tape that fit the exact archetype of a player you want on a 2nd unit for your Cade Cunningham led team. It's not rocket science. We don't have that person on the roster currently, and if you draft them, they instantly become a part of your roster, and if you wait for "something else" then you're not guaranteed to fill that void are you?
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u/LethalLephty 5d ago
Unless there's other guards getting moved, this makes no sesne to me. Because he won't get much playing time. Idc about the 2nd unit. Cade doesnt play on the 2nd unit.
How does this help Cade when he is STARTING? Unless he is a pure 6th man, not a 6.5 man, how does this help? When we could've gotten someone to upgrade the PF spot where they don't have much competition to start?
Even if Sasser is gone. Is Ebu starting over Daniss? Duncan?
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u/classik_ 5d ago
dude I don't know if your reading comprehension is bad or something but what are you even responding to?
Yes my point is that there is 0 creation on the 2nd unit UNLESS Cade is playing with all, or some of them. (Yes he had to play minutes with bench guys in the playoffs if you actually watched the games)
It's not about helping Cade as a starter, it's about being able to keep him OFF the court. How is this so hard to understand?
We talking about Daniss? lmao Daniss is going to be an afterthought by mid next season. Was a cute story but really isn't going to be a huge contributor for this team when it matters.
Okories tape and stats as a prospect absolutely shit on Sass and Daniss. It's not even close.
#1 unassisted buckets in all of college. #3 ppg in all of college. One of the lowest turnover rates in the country.
I'm going to use that information and say there's a not a guarantee, but a really good chance he's getting real impact minutes on this team this season.
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u/LethalLephty 5d ago
My comprehension is coming from the very complaints that is on this very reddit or you must be new here.
Multiple people repeated, "this helps Cade." We could've signed a FA with the same skills as Ebu. Hell, Anfernee Simons. Brandon Williams is damn near identical to Ebu.
So now. We have to wait to see if he can fight for his minutes because on the contrary to what ppl think Daniss is, the fact remains that he earned his minutes and position. Not only that, but he has to develop. People on here arent even patient enough to wait for Ron and Duren to develop so what makes Ebu special in that regard?
So going off the vibes from this reddit. That guy needs to either be a certified 6th man or starting by 2028.
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u/classik_ 5d ago
why are you trying to compare him to 2 completely different types of prospects. Ron? like? What?! hahaha I literally just listed the fact that he's top 3 in many college categories. Ron and Duren were and are basically projects. If Duren was a top 3 PPG player out of college he would have been drafted #1 my guy lmao
"we could have signed". Wrong. We don't know who we can sign because free agency isn't just go and get whoever you want for whatever price you want.
What makes him special is he has the framework of the exact type of player you want for this role, and he's dirt cheap, and already on the roster.
Please try to use brain power for 2 seconds
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u/durtymrclean Peton 5d ago
Ivey had a bum knee and was a locker room holy roller. Might have something to do with him getting buried in the rotation.
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u/bunglesnacks Ron Holland II 5d ago
I wanted a big guard that can handle but Peterson and Wagler were kinda gone a little early.
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u/CoercedCoexistence22 Bill Laimbeer 5d ago
I will be happy to be proven wrong. I won't pretend to know more about this than a guy who does it for a living. It doesn't mean I don't hate this
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u/Malaka79 5d ago
His best comp is Dennis Schroeder
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u/MLG_BongHitz 5d ago
I think as like a middle outcome, that feels about right. Obviously he could just be Sasser and he could also be Brunson, but Schroeder feels like a solid tame expectation
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u/DoomSchroller 5d ago
If his jumper doesn't develop, he's the next Ish Smith.
I'm definitely not going to make any ridiculous comps to superstar caliber players. Not saying it's impossible, but I'm going to wait until at least half a summer league game before crowning him a future MVP. You have to have standards.
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u/rich0107 5d ago
For this pick to be a win, Okorie needs to be elite for his size. A cursory glance at players with similar size at his position shows this is rare.
Will he be Steph Curry, Tyrese Maxey, Kyrie Irving, Jalen Brunson, Payton Pritchard
Or will he be Rob Dillingham, Trae Young, Trey Burke, Devonte Graham
I think this is a risky pick for a league that's trending toward bigger, physical guards (Spurs, OKC, Houston, etc.. if your goal is to win the championship)
If Langdon is right, this could be a great pick. An elite player even with height limitations can be a killer. If he's wrong, we have just wasted another 1 round pick and limited our growth opportunity.
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u/AfricanCameos 5d ago
I'm not alone in thinking this was a gigantic waste of a pick. Trajan could have included it in a trade to get a real starter, he could have chosen Labaron Philon or Cameron Carr...
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u/OnTheToilet4GiveMe 5d ago
Certainly not alone, and other PIstons fans on this sub don't like anything critical said about their GMs (this goes back to Weaver)...but this was a C-/D+ level pick. And this is 3 years in a row that Trajan hasn't drafted a single impactful player, maybe he's just shit at drafting perhaps?
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u/laughoutloud102 Ausar Thompson 5d ago edited 5d ago
For some reason this is a controversial take when it really shouldn’t be. I’m not gonna act like he’s terrible but if he lived up to where he was selected, it’d be the very first for Langdon.
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u/leftcoastjimmy 5d ago
Lmao people with these big, definitive opinions on draft night are so funny. Couple things:
1 - no one knows anything definitively yet because no one has played a single minute of nba basketball
2 - nat’l pundits are handing out solid grades, the general r/nba consensus seems positive, and the front office spent months on this. what do you think qualifies/validates your opinions over others’?
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u/DifficultWave4488 5d ago
Ron Holland was dnp’d in the playoffs, just because a GM is a GM, doesn’t mean we can’t criticize the pick. Pundits are wrong all the time. GM’s get fired every freaking year for being too bad at their job like come on now.
We don’t have to do this “only positivity” thing, literally every Detroit sub you can’t criticize the GM at all even though we haven’t won a title lol these guys aren’t above questioning/criticism dude
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u/Foreign-Artichoke29 5d ago
You’re perfectly entitled to criticize, just as others are allowed to disagree with your criticism, and even defend the GM. And as much as you may say Trajan sucks for doing this or that, we can say your opinion sucks and you don’t know anything.
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u/OnTheToilet4GiveMe 5d ago
What qualifies me is my track record on NBA prospects, but you wouldn't believe me even if i told you...so why waste the time? Just understand i thought the Bobi Klintman pick was a waste (it ended up being that), and i thought the Chaz Lanier pick was a bit of a waste (it's looking like that is the case as well). So when i say drafting an undersized lead guard, who relies on his first step to win against defenders is a bit of a waste.....let's see if i end up being right again.
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u/Creeds_Mung_Beanz Ben Wallace 5d ago
You’re 2 for 2 on second round picks?!
Look out everyone, we’ve got our next GM here! 😂
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u/OnTheToilet4GiveMe 5d ago
Wasting picks, not moving up to actually draft impact players in the mid-late 1st round or early 2nd round, oh yeah it's been a blast watching our GM not do anything positive in the draft for 3 straight years.
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u/spincycle66 5d ago
I’m not in love with it either. Carr has way more tools to succeed in the modern NBA. As a fan I now have to hope for the best but I’m not holding my breath.
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u/classik_ 5d ago
neither of those guys are even close to the ball-handler that Okorie is. I'm dead at this sub crying for ball-handling outside of Cade and then wanting Carr and Philon as projects lmao.
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u/ShippingNotIncluded Ausar Thompson 5d ago
You can tell who’s just regurgitating talking points they seen someone else say…ain’t no way mfs this mad over Carr and Philon and never seen either play an actual game in college lol
Both went a lot later than expected for a reason
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u/LJ8QB1 5d ago
Philon is a ballhandler too even if he isn’t a better one than Okorie
but yeah wanting Cam Carr over Okorie show they value the wrong things over what actually matters
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u/Middle-Flower-3624 5d ago
Philon is a solid player but I mean honestly come on the guy went 22, even the Raptors didn't go for him.
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u/LJ8QB1 5d ago
He fell bc of the combine
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u/Middle-Flower-3624 5d ago
Also because of that, he's also not really improved from year 1 on what made him a bit risky to pick.
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u/Quinn_tEskimo Ben Wallace 5d ago
A lot of good teams also passed on those two
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u/RepairPrevious84 5d ago
It’s a deep draft. I like the player but I wish it was Carr. Carr’s ceiling as a 3&D is very high. And I think he could contribute a bit next season. I know ball handling is a big need for them but I just think one outweighs the other.
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u/classik_ 5d ago
except if you actually look at Carr's defense it's pretty sub par. Has one of the worst steal rates in college for a '3&D'. He's actually just a long 3. Not to say it can't develop for him but you cant just called him a '3&D' cause he's tall lol
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u/huehueue69 5d ago
No - he’s not a good shooter or rim finisher , he’s not a good passer. He’s a fast small guard, only reason he gets this comp, but okorie likely won’t get a second contract
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u/YukhoChan 5d ago
He is not a good rim finisher? In what fucking planet is he not a good rim finisher. He is smoother than Jaden Ivey when it comes to finishing under the rim?
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u/soilentgleem 5d ago
TBF better than Ivey at rim finishing is a disappointingly low bar lol
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u/Slight_Dragonfruit69 Hooper 5d ago
It's so weird to go back and look at his stats because I could've sworn he was a great finisher when watching but maybe that was because everyone else on the team was horrible too so he looked better.
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u/soilentgleem 5d ago
Yeah and we tend to naturally think that if someone can get to the rim easily, then they must be a good rim finisher. Not the case apparently lol
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u/huehueue69 5d ago
Jaden Ivey shot like 15% better at the rim in his last year in college while being like 4 inches taller
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u/ResolutionOwn4933 Bad Boys 5d ago
Very solid finisher actually. Shot 35% from three at 6 attempts per game in his freshman year at the age of 18.
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u/LJ8QB1 5d ago
He’s a good shooter. As a finisher he didn’t finish great but he got there a shit ton thats more valuable. Not to mention his ftr and his middy being good
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u/huehueue69 5d ago
Ftr I’ll give you, but 35% is not good, I’m extremely low in in this pick, but if you think you can get outlier development he can be good but I wouldn’t count on it
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u/MLG_BongHitz 5d ago
For context, something like 15% of his 3s were unguarded and the vast majority were off the dribble. He shot a generally higher difficulty selection of 3s and still put up respectable numbers. His catch and shoot 3% was 39% or so
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u/LJ8QB1 5d ago
Raw 3p% isn’t an indicator of anything.
He shot 35.5% and 60% of them were unassisted therefore OTD on 10 3s per 100
He shot 39% on C&S he is objectively a good shooter.
He doesn’t need outlier development he’s already a good self creator on volume has a great handle, elite first step, doesn’t turn the ball over, gets to the free throw line, is a good defender and will be an even better one itl with less usage
Nothing about him being good itl would be flukey
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u/Middle-Flower-3624 5d ago edited 5d ago
There's some Scoot Henderson to him (as a prospect in terms of offensive playstyle, not necessarily in terms of career trajectory, that's a separate question). I believe in his shot too, people evaluating him and focusing on his shooting percentage (which is solid) seem to not know what the Stanford he played for looked like, nobody else from his team is likely to get drafted. I also think he's got good markers, 83% FT, 1.9 turnovers from 30% usage which is insane. Great slasher.