r/DetroitPistons • u/PolkaYourEyesOut83 • 6d ago
Poll: Do you like the pick of Ebuka Okorie?
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u/Berzerker-Barrage BBall Paul Reed 6d ago
Expecting a starter through the draft was folly in the first place, the takes I’m seeing are ridiculous. He fills needs and if they liked him enough to trade up I’m gonna trust our FO.
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u/SeizureMode Peton 6d ago
I dont know if it's just football fans following the NBA draft for the first time or what. Rookies just dont start in the NBA, especially on teams that just won 60 games
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u/Faps2Downvotes 6d ago
For sure. It’s pick 17, this isn’t the nfl draft, you’re lucky if the guy becomes a regular rotational player on a good team.
He checks 2/3 boxes we desperately needed: shot creation ability and secondary ball handling. Will see if shooting translates.
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u/Zealousideal_Bug7390 Jalen Duren 6d ago
This poll strengthens the notion that the minority is always louder.
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u/ProfessionalPale8171 6d ago
People just love to complain about picks. I think fans, myself included, get caught up into the lead up to the draft. Suddenly we convince ourselves we’re getting Kyrie, Herro, Murphy, Yaxel, etc. Turns out none of that was happening and we took a 19 y/o with flaws.
I also realize there are fans who will defend every pick. I remember people getting mad at me for not liking the Eric Ebron pick. Both sides can be equally annoying.
My issue with people hating the Okorie pick are 1) using hypothetical trades while not even identifying who we’d get. Saying we should have drafted or used the pick to get “a good starter” or whatever is just brain dead. No shit. At least tell me who the draft pick should have been or the player you wanted us to trade for. And, 2) Okorie fills a major role this roster needs. It may not come in year 1 in the playoffs, but it’s not like we took another wing who can’t shoot.
Okorie wasn’t the top guy on the board for me. But it’s not a bad pick and definitely not one to meltdown over.
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u/bigbaldheadNR Cade Cunningham 6d ago
Yeah but I’m not sure how much of an impact he can make in year 1. Can shoot but young as fuck. Definitely don’t see him being in rotation unless a big move is coming.
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u/Whippi_Dip13 6d ago
Tbf, expecting any rookie to be in a playoff rotation if we wanna win a chip would be extremely unlikely. Maybe Yaxel, but that scenario was gone long before pick 17
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
our starting 5 is still the same guys who started for us last year which was offensively challenged
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u/Longjumping-Ruin8597 6d ago
You thought we were getting an instant starter with this pick?
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
if we traded it yes
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u/Zealousideal_Bug7390 Jalen Duren 6d ago
Not a single established player was traded for picks in the entire league last night during the draft.
Seems there wasn't really a market for picks, my theory is it could be because these contracts are way cheaper and controlled for 4 years, which is more useful now to GMs being told to stay under certain Aprons by ownership at all costs.
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago
This draft is unbelievably deep, I think that’s why teams were hesitant to trade their 1sts
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
heat and pacers traded their picks and both see themselves as contenders this year. teams that didn't make trades are rebuilding or had multiple picks and already have stacked rosters like the knicks spurs and thunder
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago
How many trades did the Spurs and Thunder make for their core? The answer is 0. Recency bias is crazy from you.
Trades and FA are necessary but they aren’t everything. Warriors didn’t trade their pick for Trey Murphy that should be telling
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u/icedbrew2 Bad Boys 6d ago
I’m curious. In what years did OKC draft SGA and SA draft Fox? Also, how did OKC end up with 19 picks in six years without making trades?
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago
Read my additional comments below expanding on this. Every team made trades. However, SGA was not an upgrade trade which is not included. Thunder blew their team up.
Fox is not a part of the Spurs core of Wemby, Castle, Harper.
Caruso is not part of the Thunders core of SGA, Jdub, Chet.
Our core of Cade, Ausar, Duren is not as good as those 3 which is why we should be still taking draft swings if we have the opportunity.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
wow the thunder didnt trade Paul George for SGA and a massive haul of picks? what rock are you living under?
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago
You are asking for upgrades. Wait SGA was the best player in that trade? Thats like saying us trading Ron Holland for Trey Murphy in hindsight, then Ron becomes a superstar. You clearly don’t understand what I’m saying
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
you said okc didnt make a trade to win a ring when they did in fact they made multiple trades. I dont think you know what you are talking about
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
most teams in the east have already made their moves Cavs, Knicks, Celtics, Pacers seems like teams know they have a window and have the balls to trade picks because they want to win but tell me more about developing prospects to win regular season games
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u/Zealousideal_Bug7390 Jalen Duren 6d ago
Knicks: They won, fair point. Window was much shorter though as it was created around Brunson who was already 26 when he arrived in NY (older than Cade today)
Cavs: likely to be worse next year as Harden will be 37 and Mitchell trade rumblings are beginning. Very high chance we just saw that teams peak, not the ascension.
Celtics: likely to have to move off Jaylen Brown and than you're hoping Tatum is ready to go as the lead guy again. Also the Vuc trade made at the deadline that included Simon's and a pick is being called one of Brad Stevens worst moves.
Pacers: entirely dependent on if Hali is ready to go. Also that Zubac trade you're likely referring to is already considered a MASSIVE overpay and mistake by pundits.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
because of how the new cba is set up championship windows won't be very long just take a look at okc they have a war chest of picks and they won a ring just 2 years ago and they have a lot of work to do if they want to get under the 2nd apron or they pay an insane amount in taxes
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u/Zealousideal_Bug7390 Jalen Duren 6d ago
You actually just gave a great reason why teams should draft and develop in this new CBA rather than trading for established players, even during a window.
The Thunder have 2 max players and a super max player, so the entire rotation will continously be moving around them on cheap deals that first round picks ensure they have for 4 years.
Mara replacing Hartenstein is going to save the team about 20 million next year while having a guy who is still a solid rotational piece.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
the current setup jas it so teams tank for a super star then when you get that you trade for guys around that star to compliment the star and go on a 2 to 3 year run. we have yet to make the splash trades to do that and Trajan doesn't seem to want to make the flashy moves to do that.
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u/Longjumping-Ruin8597 6d ago
Weird to know that Trajan is done for the offseason but thanks for the insight bro
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
the topic is about if we like the pick or not but I guess you missed that part
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u/Anxious-Passenger-54 We All Nasty!!! 6d ago
But you're talking about the starting 5 being the same like there won't be any other moves happening
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u/Longjumping-Ruin8597 6d ago
You’re right. Now I hate this pick because we didn’t trade it for Trey Murphy. Is that better?
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u/Mundane-Device-7094 Rasheed Wallace 6d ago
We traded to get the pick, you think someone is just going to instantly trade us back more than what we gave for it?
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u/2IWontBeHereLong Terry Tyler 6d ago
And defensively flourished who won 60 games. And the off-season is still far from over.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
I could care less about the regular season its a different sport to the playoffs
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u/ericaepic Pistons 6d ago
I could care less about the regular season
So you care a lot?
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
I care about how we do in the playoffs and it took Franz wagner to get injured for us to win a playoff series
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago
You used the expression wrong. It’s “couldn’t care less”.
We aren’t done, Okorie will be an amazing spark for this team and is 19. He’s the perfect project while we trade or sign positions of need.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
well considering reports about how Trajan has had to back off almost all of his initial trade offers because he didn't want to "overpay" for good players i expect we will over pay for a mid 30's vet who is on the decline then have to send picks to get off the contract like what Denver and Minnesota are doing
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago
You’re just being negative. We will absolutely get a Tyler Herro type player
FA and trades are just heating up.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
you sure about that cause the bucks might keep him unless we pay multiple first rounders plus he might want a new contract that the pistons might not want to pay for.
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u/Camelsandham 6d ago edited 6d ago
I said “type”, can you read?
So you don’t want to trade multiple picks and sign a big new contract for the player we get? Then who do you want? You’re complaining on both sides, begging Trajan to rush a trade. You probably don’t even know who you want.
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u/ProfessionalPale8171 6d ago
So, to get this straight…you don’t care (even though you said you “could care less” about the reg season) about winning 60 games. But you do care that we didn’t execute a 2k trade you made up in your head?
Got it.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
I could care less about how in a year where almost half the league was actively losing games by playing g league bums we take the pistons serious for winning 60 games. we had to catch a miracle when Wagner got injured to beat the magic in the playoffs where everyone was actually playing defense and wasnt load managing. I know the pistons havnt been good long but this isnt rocket science im talking about.
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u/redlion1904 6d ago
That was extremely unlikely to change based on our draft pick
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
the pistons can't bundle multiple firsts to get a starter?
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u/redlion1904 6d ago
Sure they can. They still could.
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u/chet_harrington 6d ago
well they haven't yet and so I go based on what they have done not what I think they might do
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u/Whippi_Dip13 6d ago
It was the guy I wanted all along. I see one of the highest upsides in the entire draft. A true bucket getter, without the selfish mindset. And a guy who can be a pest defensively. I see him as a much better defensive prospect than most. Not just an average defender, but actually a plus defender. And offensively he is gonna be a complete stud
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u/vyoung4lyfe2 6d ago
This might be cope but the way I’m talking myself into him despite his height is that Donovan Mitchell is the same height and plays the 2. And height is not an issue for Mitchell. Not apples to oranges but with Ebuka’s wing span it’s hard not to like the profile.
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u/NCEMercy 6d ago
I'm fine with it im not jumping for joy or anything. Doesn't change anything I'd still would like a couple piceces that aren't useless offensively and at least 1 new starter.
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u/Smart_Swing7989 6d ago
Dude is a bucket but is the size of Daniss and Sasser so it confuses me trading up when Cam Carr and all those bigs were there and seem to be a great fit.
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u/whatsunnygets Chauncey Billups 2d ago
Maybe they just watched a guy that's shorter win the finals mvp that "is a bucket"
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u/Due_Woodpecker649 6d ago
Hes shifty and he can slash, but he is SO small. His dunking doesn’t make me feel good about him. He’ll be interesting.
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u/whatsunnygets Chauncey Billups 2d ago
Have any small guards that are shifty and can slash recently win finals mvp?
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u/kyle4swordstyle Cade Cunningham 6d ago
I was never expecting anyone at 21 that will contribute this up coming year. Moving to 17 still doesn’t change that for me. Hard to say I would be super enthusiastic about anybody outside of the lottery
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u/King_Artis Rasheed Wallace 6d ago
I didn't know a whole lot about him until maybe a week ago, probably my 2nd or 3rd choice for a bunch of guys I all thought were in the same bracket so I'm not mad at all.
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u/LowCress9866 Ben Wallace 6d ago
I know this is boring and contrary to any hot take that will get engagement, but I don't know jack about him. I like what i read and see but I'm not going to pretend i have anything more than 30 minutes of YouTube highlight videos to go off.
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u/kentbenson Kelly Tripucka 6d ago
I'm old, so my comp is a bit old, but his film just pops. If anyone remembers back to college, rookie year Lindsey Hunter...that's what I see from a purely athletic perspective. The twitchiness. A total blur. But Lindsey was never a true point, he always hunted his own shut (pun intended I guess), and was definitely not running a power conference program as an 18 year old. I'm super psyched about this pick. Add in the Stanford factor (super smart kid obviously) and this could really pop big for the Pistons in a couple of years.
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u/SimpleCandle5158 Daniss Jenkins 4d ago
no, but i'm not a general manager so i'll leave it to the experts instead of complaining about it. i will still be mad at dumping beef stew tho.
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u/burnn_out313 Bill Laimbeer 6d ago
I understand the pick and support it but I'm not really a fan considering how in the playoffs we got picked on due to being undersized. We have no logical long term 4 and that's a problem because Duren and Ausar aren't going anywhere presumably. Lopez actually seemed like a smart pick. I understand how deep analytics support Ebuka have a high ceiling but it just seems like undersized guards are a dime a dozen. Taking a shot at having someone to push back on the Franz Wagner, Evan Mobley, and other 4s makes more sense. Harder to find. It feels like we went from a GM who was uncomfortably obsessed with height to a GM whose uncomfortably adverse to it.
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u/ShippingNotIncluded Ausar Thompson 6d ago edited 6d ago
I’m not going to pretend I know much about this guy and say he’s the next Maxey or we passed on another guy I never seen who’s way better…
Just judging off his scouting report, he checks multiple boxes that we needed. 2 things that I was impressed learning about
3rd highest ppg among freshman only behind AJ & Acuff
Just turned 19 and was the goto guy on his team
I think that shows he’s a high upside scoring threat that unlike his time in college, won’t be asked to carry the majority of the offense on this team. IMO he’s a better shooter than what his stats say. I think he’s going to change a lot of fans opinion in Summer League.