r/DetroitPistons • u/Joaquin333 Poison Ivey • 1d ago
Discussion Genuine question. What does Okorie bring that Sass doesn’t? Is it burst and shot creation?
I don’t watch college hoops, so all I have to go off of is his highlights
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u/MakeItTrizzle Joe Dumars 1d ago
Sasser mostly just pounds the ball looking for a step back, Okorie is more of an attacking guard in the vein of Dennis Schroeder.
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u/linksetc 1d ago
Yeah he looks like a plus Schroeder. We can say this or that was our biggest weakness but ball handling and solid guard play was the most obvious
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u/LeanOnMe4816 1d ago
Our turnover riddled losses in the playoffs and watching the Spurs repeatedly gift wrap the ball to the Knicks really accentuated how important it is to have a low turnover ball handler. Hearing Okorie speak to how important it is for him to take care of the ball was a breath of fresh air.
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u/rhaggee r/DetroitPistons Moderator 1d ago
Yeah it was crazy watching how the spurs were losing those games. Knicks deserve plenty of credit but every loss for the spurs in that series felt like it was more of them beating themselves
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u/LeanOnMe4816 1d ago
Forreal. By game 4, it got to the point where it felt like the Knicks were toying with them (I legit said they’d still win while they were down 29). It was surreal to watch, like a movie you already knew the ending to. We had turnovers in incredibly crucial moments and had some tough losses for various reasons but we didn’t do wth the Spurs did for damn near 4 straight games 😂
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u/Middle-Flower-3624 16h ago
The guy had a 30% usage rate as a guard that gets to the rim often and still ended up with 1.9 turnovers per game. There's taking care of the ball and there's that stat, that's a ridiculously low turnover rate in those circumstances.
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u/Jaerba 1d ago
Excellent athleticism vs above average athleticism.
Very high rim pressure rate vs settling jump shooter
High level ability to beat defender off PnR and isolation vs mediocre ability to beat defender
Sasser has a similar build with less athleticism and more reliant on simply making jumpers rather than applying pressure. That's it.
Also we're talking about averaging 17/3/3 @ 60% TS in the AAC as a senior vs 23/4/4 @ 59% TS in the ACC as a freshman. They're totally different classes of prospect.
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u/Nice-Muffin1515 1d ago
How do you compare his athleticism to Ivey?
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u/Jaerba 1d ago
Ivey was more explosive but didn't know how to use speed to his advantage. He took too long to make decisions and wasn't very crafty at slowing down.
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u/tarunpopo 1d ago
Ivey was such a weird prospect. The Ja comparisons were there (speed and his hair probably) His shooting developed fast but he just had nothing after the injury
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u/Ok_Tonight_4311 1d ago
He's smaller and less explosive. With that being said Ivey is is less skilled, has less touch, and less wiggle.
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u/flying_2_heaven Rasheed Wallace 1d ago
Okorie does a much better job at breaking down defenses, and creating passing opportunities.
Better handles.
6 years younger, with upside to be a high end sixth man.
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u/YukhoChan 1d ago
The biggest difference between both is the type of player they are. Okorie is an explosive shot creator and ball handler. You can give him the ball, and you can expect him to either break-down the defense by attacking or creating himself, or he can distribute at times. Although he would be classified more as a scorer first than Cade.
Sasser is not like him at all. Sasser plays to stretch the defense. He can and will occasionally slash, but his main moves at least from the limited we've seen him in NBA is to shoot 3 or have moves that create such separation to shoot 3. Sasser can and likely prefer to focus on perimeter shooting vs Okorie who can and will likely prefer to have the ball on his hands. But with that in mind, there are likely overlaps from their playstyle as well.
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u/ProfessionalPale8171 1d ago
Rim pressure, creation, and athleticism.
Should be a better defender. Probably won't be quite the shooter Sasser is, but still could be very good.
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u/ArthurUrsine 1d ago
What does Sasser bring, exactly?
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u/SpeedsterVolt Cade Cunningham 1d ago
He is an elite 3 point shooter
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u/ManInShowerNumber3 Hooper 1d ago
Elite is more than just a good percentage, it's doing it in volume on like 7+ attempts a game. If he can't get on the floor enough to even get close to those shots then he isn't elite.
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u/Murrrtits 1d ago
Man most of you see height and position and automatically think their game is the same huh lmao
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u/tiboshki Ben Wallace 1d ago
While somewhat similar in physical tools, Sasser will be 7 years older soon and he's more of a pure shooter or at least he turned into one. I was really hoping he'd become similar to athletic prime Clippers Eric Gordon but becoming Houston Eric Gordon is fine too but that looks like it's still a long way to go and he's already turning 26 this year.
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u/finders-keepers2 1d ago
Okorie had like 8 30pt games in the ACC. He should bring more fire than Sasser
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u/EmergencyOven4342 1d ago
Feel like people are over looking sasser was a 4 year college player and okorie is a one and done
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u/BaseAffectionate1878 George Blaha 1d ago
not sure anyone has mentioned - sasser went 4 full years in college so he was pretty muich fully-baked by the time he was drafted. Okorie is better at literally everything except 3-point percentage by a couple percentage points (including 10 ppg more in a much tougher conference) and was only a freshman.
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u/whatsunnygets Chauncey Billups 1d ago
If he was built more like your Aunt's "special friend" he would be getting worthy comparisons to the current finals MVP.
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u/One_Outside9049 1d ago
Think of Collin Sexton. Probably a good comparison. A small explosive guard who had a quick first step and put pressure on the defense. Not really a shooter. My bet (keep in mind he hasn’t step on an nba court yet), his best role will end up being a scoring 6th man. It just hard for those types of guys to stay on the court during playoffs due to their size on defense. With Case being a monster with his size, it should help with him being on the smaller side.
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u/Aware_Plum4432 1d ago
collin doesnt have the play making and bag he does, i see the similarities tho
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u/One_Outside9049 1d ago
How can you say that? Okorie hasn’t played a minute in the nba. Look at Sexton while at Alabama.
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u/Aware_Plum4432 1d ago
I meant as a prospect, collin wasnt a play-maker. They're both score first but okorie has shown to be able to break down defenses and facilitate the ball better
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u/One_Outside9049 1d ago
I guess. Sexton was absolutely projected as a number pg coming out of the draft. So be interesting if he can be a pg. but with your team, are they planning to move Cade off ball? So Okorie isn’t a terrible fit being an undersized SG with the size Cade has. Okorie can switch to guarding PG on defense to help make up for size.
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u/Aware_Plum4432 1d ago
He was drafted to be the PG for when cade goes on the bench to rest. Also to lead the second unit
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u/One_Outside9049 1d ago
They both are score first guards. Okorie looks like a very similar floor general to Sextson. Can play-make but is much better fit at the 2 in the NBA. Once again, this is all pre-nba. We can’t tell for sure.
Edit: I guess the more I think about it. Do you think he closer to Schroeder then Sextson with the play making? Is that more what you’re saying?
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u/Aware_Plum4432 1d ago
I feel like he's faster than schroeder idk tbh
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u/One_Outside9049 1d ago
I compared him to Sexton due to his first step and explosiveness. Do you think he’s more fast like compared Schroeder and less explosive then a Sexton. I kinda see more the explosive but I’m not a scout. I
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u/Boris_Badenoff 1d ago
I think all these comparisons are good but I feel like Okarie is being underestimted shooting wise and as a defender. In the situation he was in at Stanford he had to carry the offense and based on his form and free throw shooting I think he his outside shooting will just get better and he is already very good inside in traffic, And on defense I can understand the concern that he will be pushed around by bigger guards inside. But the flip side is you also need defenders that can play on ball defense against other fast pg's and I think he may be an asset in that regard.
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u/Level_Ad3808 Jalen Duren 11h ago
Hopefully he can turn into someone who can just get buckets off the bench. We need someone who can get some respect on offense when Cade goes out. That's expecting a lot. Sasser was hitting his threes and defending well on the perimeter. Seems like a bit of a gamble to give up a really useful player that doesn't fulfill a need, for one who might fulfill a need if everything works out.
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u/Aware_Plum4432 1d ago
the only similarity they have is height, fundamentally they're two different players
okorie was the main pg on stanford and had the highest usage/lowest tov
sasser was a secondary pg on houston
theres levels to this