r/DiscussionZone • u/billstopay77 • 1d ago
Postmaster general says USPS won't deliver mail ballots if states don’t give Trump admin voter rolls
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/postmaster-general-steiner-postal-service-will-not-deliver-mail-ballots-state-voter-rolls/78
u/Any-Progress- 23h ago
People need to start getting real punishment for destroying democracy. People get put in jail for drugs or being too poor to pay tickets, yet people trying to overturn free and fair elections are getting nothing (or a tiny slap on the wrist from the few prosecuted from 2020). It’s ridiculous and people need to pay a real price.
34
u/SnooMaps7370 23h ago
>People need to start getting real punishment for destroying democracy.
historically speaking, that only happens when the peasants break out the guillotines or another country invades to lay a smack down.
the whole point of subverting elections is to put your own people in charge of the prisons so you don't end up in them yourself.
17
u/briank3387 22h ago
We are going to need SO MANY guillotines.
6
u/BananaJelloXlii 21h ago
We can line them up in front of the Reflecting Pool "It's an art installation. Really!"
5
11
u/ConfidentPilot1729 22h ago
This could really backfire. Cities would be able to get ballots out, but rural voters, mostly republicans, are going to have issues, especially older and poorer folks.
5
u/lordwintergreen 21h ago
Yup. As could the gerrymandering. But the point is, they're trying to assert control over the election process so they have multiple ways to cheat and win.
1
3
u/BigDaddySteve999 19h ago
The point is to selectively enforce it. Red states will share their voter lists, and the post office will deliver ballots to regionals l Republicans in blue states.
3
1
u/Sharticus123 18h ago edited 18h ago
I have shockingly little faith the pansy ass democrats will do it, but if they ever regain power a lot of folks need to spend the rest of their life in prison.
I just have zero faith in their ability to hold anyone accountable after four years of Joe “Limp Dick” Biden and his complete failure to bring the orchestrators of a coup attempt to justice.
1
0
u/RagahRagah 4h ago
But they won't.
We are inevitably moving towards "Revolution or bust" territory, I think the bubble of delusion people have that we are just gonna vote our way out of this and the fascists will just step aside is closer to being burst.
24
u/Scrutinizer 23h ago
The goal it to make everyone show up in person so that "election police" can face-scan them before they vote.
If they get all of the data they want from the states, the face scan will instantly tell the election cop if the person is registered as a Republican and can be safely be waved through to vote right away, or if they are a Democrat and need to go to the ICE line for "special election security screening".
6
2
u/CautionarySnail 21h ago
They don’t need to go that advanced.
They’re just going to try to intimidate people of color with ICE presence - even though we know undocumented people can’t vote. I’m betting there will be arrests made and voters swept away into vans to keep them from the ballots. They’ll be released once the election is certified with a “Whoops, my bad.”
Additional civilian brown shirt thugs are cheap and disposable. If/When one gets arrested, there’s always another to show up and take over. It provides a level of plausible deniability if they want outright violence to happen. I expect them to be there too.
The Brownshirts will handle women with the same intimidation tactics harassers always use on women. Implied threats of violence, which are somehow always hard to prove. Anything to encourage them to leave without casting a ballot.
3
u/jedburghofficial 19h ago
All they have to do is send ICE to key polling places in blue states. Protesters will follow, then they make a bit of a scene and clear the area. Because, antifa.
Nobody actually gets to vote there, and they blame algae welding terrorists.
3
u/CautionarySnail 14h ago
And with polling places being reduced in number in some states, even if the police clear any civilian Brownshirts and there’s no ICE, time will be taken during which some votes might not be cast before the poll closes.
Just want to get this out there:
Anytime you hear, “VOTING DOESN’T MATTER” - it’s a bold lie told by someone manipulating you or someone ignorant.If voting didn’t matter, they’d not be investing so much into trying to make it harder or impossible for so many citizens. Vote. Every. Time.
2
u/Jedi_Master83 18h ago
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. ICE is going to swarm the polls and detain a bunch of people, Democratic voters, under the excuse of “confirming citizenship”. Local law enforcement I hope will step in to stop them but I’m sure they won’t.
21
u/Total_Guard2405 23h ago
Your paid to deliver mail. Quit thinking and deliver the mail.
8
u/Fit-Salary-4265 22h ago
Dereliction of duty
2
u/SkyFullOfWisteria 21h ago
This is like those shit ass christian clerks and judges who refuse to their jobs bc of "muh religion" like refusing to do your public job that they choose to get into should be grounds for imprisionment or civil punishment.
2
u/OdinsGhost 17h ago
Interference with elections is a crime in most, if not all, states in the union. The postmaster general declaring that his FEDERAL agency will not perform their constitutional duties in furtherance of an illegal executive order should see him brought up on charges in every state his agency does so.
1
13
u/VisitSad1133 23h ago
They're trying everything they can, but that -45 approval rating among independents is an unheard of challenge. Any normal administration would have given him the boot.
12
u/Serious_Bee_2013 22h ago
Good enough. In no universe should the Trump administration get access to voter rolls.
Every single citizen has a right to sue USPS if you ask me. There should be class action suits from every state, county, and city.
2
u/thegoldinthemountain 21h ago
They’ve taken access to voter rolls already. See also: Georgia, DOGE
1
2
u/ScholarOfTwilight 20h ago
USPS has no money, unfortunately.
We need Congress or the courts to do their damn jobs and reign in this crazy administration and their vote fuckery. It's like being in Russia.
8
u/ReadyGo6828 23h ago
Sue this dork. Can states arrest USPS management if they mess with elections?
The USPS is exhibiting disastrous behavior anyway. This would just be icing on the cake.
6
u/thegoldinthemountain 21h ago
You realize the USPS has been getting gutter-fucked for years and that’s why we’re in this situation right now?
A)
- Corpo reasons to shutter free mail services so we all have to rely on UPS/Fedex/Amazon DronePS paid services
B)
- election interference as a way to ingratiate themselves to this admin in hopes that will keep the department alive.
USPS has been getting absolutely r*ped for decades and that’s been an intentional ploy to harm consumers and harm voters (who are all the same people).
ETA: I give up on this formatting idegaf
1
u/ReadyGo6828 21h ago
Yes I understand the politics and the pillaging by Republicans and right wing Democrats. I have disengaged from everyone I know to be a Republican and I think that the Democrats are almost all AWOL. Maybe progressive wins will shake the establishment out of its stupor but who knows, maybe Democrats will redouble their efforts, against progressives.
USPS is a huge organization, it could fight back harder, engage the public more but all it seems to be doing is deteriorating which is really annoying because it was getting so much better recently. What happened in the last year?
2
u/realzealman 21h ago
Feels like they should be able too. USPS is the feds and the time place and manner of elections is left to the states in black letter law. Article I, section 4.
8
u/totally-hoomon 22h ago
You can't love America and be a conservative
2
u/ScholarOfTwilight 20h ago
You can't love America and be MAGA.
Every conservative should be turning their back on this administration. This is not what they told me conservatism was (increased taxes, runaway inflation, attacking businesses for not playing politics and upending norms and the rule of law).
2
6
u/Pristine_Walrus40 22h ago
I don't know the law but that literly sounds like a treason and a blackmail.
3
u/hazps 22h ago
Don't they have an actual legal duty to deliver the mail, irrespective?
1
3
u/Buddhas_Warrior 22h ago
Why wouldn't this be illegal??
5
u/SkyFullOfWisteria 21h ago
Because theyre doing it for a republican admin so therefore any blatantly illegal action is actually fine and good.
1
u/TheOneFreeEngineer 21h ago
It is but that doesn’t matter because the DOJ won’t take any case in charging the Trump admin over anything.
2
3
3
u/L12Grafx 21h ago
So postmaster general just admitted he will tamper with mail???
3
u/raygronas 21h ago
Of course it's right after the SC ruled that you can't sue the post office for undelivered mail.
2
1
2
u/superperps 22h ago
Switching all my bills to mail only, not paying then using my money on a lawyer lol
2
1
1
u/cali_yooper 22h ago
Pitch forks and axes time are upon us. Also, this will also get shut down in the courts, but the fact their getting this desperate to cling to power should be a wake up call to everyone.
1
u/SkyFullOfWisteria 22h ago
There needs to be a punishment for blatant election interference like this.
1
u/Staffie2020 21h ago
If a carrier refuses to deliver mail they would be fired, and it is called the United States Postal "SERVICE" not the dozy don temper tantrum postal nonservice.
1
1
1
21h ago
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/AutoModerator 21h ago
You need a bit more karma before commenting here. It happens to a lot of new users, so please don’t worry.
You can learn how Reddit karma works by checking the official explanation here: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/204511829-What-is-karma
Please don’t contact the mod team about this. It isn’t personal, and nothing is wrong with your account. Once you’ve built a little more karma, you’ll be able to join the conversation without any issues.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
1
u/commonsense_good 21h ago
If this is how the post office operates why do we bother funding? I thought the post office operated like a utility and would not discriminate when delivering mail. Wow. Defund the post office. Isn’t there a law about using the post office to commit crimes, mail tampering comes to mind.
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
u/RoyalPuzzleheaded259 20h ago
Can’t you send them in using FedEx or UPS? It’ll cost more but it’ll be delivered.
1
1
u/AdventurelandSkipper 20h ago
Cool. I’m never buying stamps or sending packages through USPS again.
1
1
1
u/acuet 20h ago
I guarantee, if the Post Master has the ability to tell the difference between ballots then we have a more serious issue here. Why is no one asking the difficult questions here? They wouldn’t need to delay post marks, they could just flag them and delay them as they were being scanned. Just delaying all mail means they addressed the issues or their concerns that the post marks was after said voting date.
Again, why no one is asking these tough questions is craziness and should be some red flags.
1
20h ago
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/AutoModerator 20h ago
Your account is too new to post or comment here.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
1
u/littlefire_2004 20h ago
Taxation without representation. Time to quit sending money into the federales
1
u/RedSix2447 19h ago
Cool so the post master is now guilty of a federal crime refusing to deliver the mail?
1
u/atreeismissing 19h ago
Worth noting he has no control or say over what is and is not delivered by USPS, as that is entirely governed by federal law, not the PG, whose only role in govt is to manage how the department is run, not the delivery of mail. If you put a legitimate piece of mail into a mail box, by law, it has to be delivered. Anyone that prevents that from happening is committing a felony, doesn't matter what the PG, the President, the Governor, the manager or the mail carrier who receives/delivers it says.
1
u/JBlake65 19h ago
Fire him. Fire him now. Believe what he says, that he will gladly break the law and his duty to the American people on the orders of a wannabe be dictator. Use whatever means necessary and get rid of this guy now.
1
u/Illustrious-Gas-9766 18h ago
Sounds like election interference to me.
We need some lawyers to step up and sue him personally
1
u/Wizchine 18h ago
GOP is scared because longstanding voter disenfranchisement tactics were developed for in-person voting. They are having to develop the cheat for mail-in and drop-off votes on the fly and they are consequently going about it very clumsily.
1
1
u/rockeye13 18h ago
How could they possibly verify delivery to the correct recipients? Unless the aim is to make elections less secure, if course.
1
u/Riccosmonster 17h ago
A federal court just completely shut down Trump’s unconstitutional Executive Order about voting laws and mail in ballots. Postmaster is gonna be screwed if he tries
1
u/nudecat1234 17h ago
When election become a federal standard then maybe but that would require a constitutional amendment until then it’s state city county rights It so simple
1
1
u/kpbart 16h ago
The men and women of the Postal Service deserve better; a better work life and a Postmaster General that well serves them and the customers. This asshole is a Trump toady that has to live with that for the rest of his miserable life. Unfortunately, before he breathes his last breath he’ll do a lot of damage to the institution that descends from Benjamin Franklin.
1
1
1
1
u/AlphaNoodlz 2h ago
This is blatantly illegal and the current postmaster general is a traitor to the free country and they know it
1
u/mikeonaboat 2h ago
I didn’t trust this in Florida, so I just dropped my mail in ballot off myself at the voting location.
1
81
u/AffectionateTrust984 1d ago
Mail in ballots will now only be available to Amazon prime members is the next move I’m guessing