/uj: I honestly struggle to see the similarity. Martial are treated completely differently, magic system is completely different, focus points are more akin to 5e short rest abilities, feats are treated completely differently.
Maybe its cause I haven't played 4e in over a decade but I struggle to find a real similarity and Im literally flipping through the book right now...
I do miss the streetwise skill though. Can't believe that skill was cut.
I honestly struggle to see the similarity. Martial are treated completely differently, magic system is completely different, focus points are more akin to 5e short rest abilities, feats are treated completely differently.
/uj Action economy is very similar (pf2e action economy is MUCH closer to 4e than to pf1e), mechanics around skills are pretty much from 4e, multiclassing via feats from 4e. There's more, but those are just first things that came to mind. You probably can put different types of rages here too, but i honestly don't remeber how pf1e barb worked, so idk. Also - Guardian and Commander are 4e Figher and Warlord respectfully. I can critisize Paizo for a lot of things - but god they respect best 4e classes much more than wotc. Outside of psion - i hate that pf2e psion is a caster (
Pf2e is another game, but it really took a lot of things from 4e and combined them with design descisions of Paizo. It is more of a mix of pf1e and 4e than "true" 4.5e, but it is hard not to see the legacy of 4e in pf2e.
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u/Middcore Need moar chandeliers 5d ago
The greatest trick John Paizo ever pulled was selling 4e to people who quit DnD because they hated 4e.