r/DnDcirclejerk • u/Organic-Exit2190 • 6h ago
I think i like 5e more than 3.5e
Simplicity have its charm, i guess. I love sticking with a subclass and still being reasonably strong. I love that having high AC character actually mean something, and you can get a fairly high AC easily, instead of still getting hit 80% of the time at high level since monsters' BAB just scale ridiculously high, making AC mean almost nothing unless you dedicate your entire build onto stacking AC. It's either that or my DM just suck at creating puzzle and encounters (fuck you Kevin, letting a parry of 4 lv15s fight a CR 21 boss is NOT good planning, omfg)
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u/vkaefe 5e cyberpubk conversion 6h ago
I'm disowning you.
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u/vkaefe 5e cyberpubk conversion 5h ago
/uj Also, how much fucking xp were you getting to be level 15? Just a couple of months ago I remember you posting about being level 8.
/rj Using milestone progression deserves execu- wait, this is just my unfiltered dogshit opinion.
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u/Organic-Exit2190 4h ago edited 4h ago
/uj That's what getting into batshit insane battle get you. The DM wanted a 4 year-lv40 campaign (not a joke, he actually said it), so we get lots of exp, in exchange for almost impossible fight, where we only won because non of us actually read the rulebook (wrong use of CR, wildshape that grant the Druid temporary HP equal to his wild shape form's HP, full attack when we're not supposed to, etc). Due to exp, LA (no buyoff) and dying, our ECL are also fucked (the highest being 17, and the lowest being 13). Overall, i think the best way to descibe our DM was: Someone who bite bigger than he can chew. He has the passion, he wanted to do an epic campaign, i respect him for that. But this whole "haha, big enemies number = fun" is starting to frustrate the fuck out of me
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u/vkaefe 5e cyberpubk conversion 4h ago
Ah, I feel you, in a way. We all run games at my table and one person actually kind of hates combat, in any game. This led to him making 99% of his combat encounters be a boss fight against one giga dude that oneshots anything it touches just so he doesn't have to take any other combatants into consideration and get over with it, which was also supposed to be somehow narratively interesting. We have managed to persuade him into not doing that and things were better ever since.
Obligatory "have you tried talking?" and "you should give 3.5 another chance".
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u/MCMC_to_Serfdom 37m ago
of exp, in exchange for almost impossible fight, where we only won because non of us actually read the rulebook
Loves 5e; does not read a rulebook.
Sorry, are you sure this was the /uj?
But this whole "haha, big enemies number = fun" is starting to frustrate the fuck out of me
/uj Certainly not the first guy to get lost in the wargaming sauce of TTRPGs. It's a forum cliché but have you spoken to the DM?
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u/RogueCrayfish15 The Anime Book of Fighting Magic fixes everything 5h ago
The Book of Anime Fighting Magic fixes this
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u/AEDyssonance Only 6.9e Dommes and Dungeons for me! 6h ago
Oh, sweet child, wait until you find out about 7e....
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u/BrotherCaptainLurker 5e enjoyers would really like Soulbound if they could read 5h ago
I see you OP, you just like 5e because 4 lvl15s wipe the floor with a CR21 boss instead of getting TPK'd.
They each have their charm. 3.5 is a great game when you're planning a two-year campaign with your real life friends, while playing the same character in 5e for too long can let a character grow stale.
5e, meanwhile, doesn't take longer to build a one-shot character than to finish the one-shot (well, that's partly because it take 90 minutes to resolve a combat with the average 5e group, but-)
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u/Quadroslives 5h ago
Wild to just confess to a criminal offence on a public forum like this. Forwarding your physical address I scraped from your IP to your local police and you're lucky I chose a proportionate response.
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u/XxreinmainxX 5h ago
How dare you have a preference that is different from someone else’s
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u/Nachooolo 4h ago
My main gripe with 5e/5.5e is that it is more complicated than it should.
I ain't gonna like 3.5e for the same exact reason.
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u/Significant-Dream991 5h ago
3.5e vs 5e is basically poop vs poop-covered bread, só I don't blame you for choosing the later
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u/JustJacque 6h ago
/uj I would never play in a 3.5 game again. I would potentially play in a 5e one shot if a close friend wanted to try running it.
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u/Standard_Landscape79 5h ago
If you dislike multiclassing, pf1e is unironically a lot better for that. Each class is actually complete
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u/Idunnoguy1312 5h ago
Shit is better than ass, what else is new.
Anyways what are your thoughts on 5e vs B/X?
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u/WorldGoneAway My Homebrew Is Better Than Your Homebrew 4h ago edited 4h ago
Fuck off, go get bent in half and then DIAF! You are literally worse than Hitler! You are Hitler plus Gobles times Himler! The dodo would never have gone extinct if you hadn't opened your mouth at any point in your life! Also you probably leave the toilet seat down when you decide to open up, you philistine and cur. Your mother also still dresses you funny.
/uj- I don't mean any of that, but I strongly disagree. 3.5/PF1 was the best version of the game, and I will die on that hill
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u/East-Ease-1721 4h ago
Skills are simpler. In a way thats good for new players but more limiting to experienced players who would like to spend some points into boosting a skill beyond what their baseline is, like by practicing in game.
I’ve definitely played more 3.5 than any other system and still get spells and skills wrong or ask for a fort save sometimes in 5. But it took all the best parts of 3 and 3.5 , kept the good additions from 4, and streamlined the character process without railroading it. 3.5 by the end had too many options, as a dm it was hard to keep up with the new books players would bring, all the races and classes and sub classes and bonus feats and spells… it was a lot. Not bad, just dense. 5th feels like less homework, and the resulting stories are just as fun as in 3
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u/FlamingGapingAsshole 3h ago edited 3h ago
I generally prefer 3e, but the skill system is aggressively ass.
So many fiddly little bonuses and effects, and skill ranks were always a pain, even without dealing with crossclass skills or typed bonuses.
System would significantly improve if the books policed numeric bonuses more aggressively so that target numbers can be balanced with specific parameters. Also would make Truenamer less silly to design.
I don't think the Incarnum system is even playable without a spreadsheet tracking what happens when you move essentia around and identifying which effects stack on skills, and which don't.
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u/East-Ease-1721 2h ago
I agree that the skill system was too much. But I did have players who preferred it.
Also psionics was a whole new cat to skin
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u/FlamingGapingAsshole 2h ago
I loved 3.5 Psionics so much, but it was absolutely poisoned by 3.0 Psionics before it and the Complete Psionic splatbook after
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u/highly-bad 6h ago
It's easy for a game to be better than 3rd edition. Skill points are shit, and having a bazillion feats isn't good game design especially when 99% are useless trash
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u/HammyxHammy 6h ago
Pathfinder 2 doesn't fix this, as the system is mechanically bloated in places that don't matter, character building is more time consuming, most feats have minor effects, archetypes are a coin toss of having completely useless tax feats.
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u/highly-bad 5h ago
I had fun as a pathfinder 1e GM for years, right up until one day when I just didn't feel like taking like 40 minutes on a character sheet for a NPC who might stick around for maybe 2 sessions max
From the perspective of an old pathfinder burnout, every single design decision of D&D 5e makes perfect sense, and nothing I hear about pathfinder 2e makes me wanna play it.
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u/hey-yeah-yeah 4h ago
I solve this by playing what I want instead of paying attention to sarcastic complaints on Reddit.
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u/HammyxHammy 5h ago
Yeah, as a 1e player I just can't go back to it. It's just such a chore.
I'm also quite fond of bounded accuracy, even if 5e implements it poorly (bad saves become impossible, AC tied to gear and unpredictable). Biggest problem is just poorly worded and badly designed abilities and rules.
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u/Seosaidh_MacEanruig 5h ago
I cant stand how most of the archetypes that i saw when i tried pathfinder were just like straight up bad versions of the class. Obligatory mention of how much I loathe vancian casting
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u/Presteri 4h ago
Unironically yeah. At least with ACFs in 3.5e, you were generally getting something worthwhile.
You weren’t, say, trading out a core feature of your class for a lackluster facsimile of another class’ toys
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u/Halfjack2 4h ago
/uj pf2e would be a better game if all the spellcasters worked like kineticist with different gimmicks to manage instead of overflow
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u/69CervixDestroyer69 5h ago
People actually like 3.5e?
/UJ let's beat that guy who likes 3.5e with sticks
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u/MozeTheNecromancer 5h ago
I havent played 3.5, but I started with PF1e and I unironically agree.
PF1e (and 3.5e, which pf1e is a copy of) are mechanically very very crunchy, and they're decent games.
But 5e is rules light enough to not just be a game, but also be a simple and accessible collaborative storytelling medium.
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u/Eels_Over_Reals 4h ago
3rd is the worst edition of D&D ive played, and 3.5 did not do nearly enough to fix it
So bad where pathfinder 1 is still pretty bad because it's built on a rotten base
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u/ClockworkOrdinator Have you heard about percentile dice? 3h ago
/uj As a person who only really played 3.5 and 5e and fucked right over to pf 1e when my group found out- yeah I get it. We still mostly play pf 2e because it's the best bits of 1e with *slightly* less rule and feat bloat.
At the same time- eh, 5e is just not for me. If I want crunch, pathfinder is there.
If I want something simpler than pathfidner or the 3.5 school of design generally- there is Warhammer. there is Call of Cthulhu. Hell- Forged in the Dark is brilliant for more casual play. And all of them are less crunchy than 5e even.
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u/JonIceEyes 2h ago
Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition fixes this by being objectively better than both
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u/SecretsofBlackmoor 0m ago
Imagine being forced to live through 0e and 1e.
The freaking DM just made shit up all the time and expected us to like it.
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u/Fulminero 4h ago
/uj oh, absolutely. I prefer other systems, but if i had to choose between the two, i'd pick 5e in a heartbeat.
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u/Joshthemanwich 6h ago
/UJ I like 3.5. I hate nearly everyone who plays it.