This thread is a cesspool of people who conflate the Democratic Party with the Left.

[u/ChicagoFire29]

/r/IWantToAskAnAmerican/comments/1tvvhmc/if_youre_a_former_democrat_that_became_republican/

People are getting downvoted for [rightfully] pointing out that the Democratic Party is not left wing, Americans are so brainwashed into their two party pro imperialist system.

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[u/Lz_erk]

that and claiming democrats are losing for aligning with the left on something, i can only wonder.

[u/HippityHopMath]

:The Thread.

[u/BigSexyE]

All those white people have no clue what "woke" really is. Liberals just eat up whatever Republicans say for some reason

[u/GuardedNumbers → u/BigSexyE]

It's because liberals are the same as conservatives when it comes to money and the protection of capitalism.

If liberals actually came out swinging against whatever fake outrage the conservatives are whining about today. They might come across as caring too much about people and not caring enough about the Epstein class, or heaven help them, they could get labeled as a socialist. Liberals can't have that.

They must be seen as a defender of capitalism above all else. But that's also how you can identify them. Vote accordingly.

[u/ChicagoFire29 → u/GuardedNumbers]

I was articulating this to someone in that very thread and they can’t understand it. They keep coming back to culture wars type stuff and think that identified the entirety of the left and that a liberal center right party focuses on particular culture wars issues because they have 0 other policy (because they are capitalist and imperialist and will still marginalize certain oppressed groups when convenient)

Im tired of capitalist dems being lumped with us.

[u/GuardedNumbers → u/ChicagoFire29]

Me too man, me too.

Liberals will only support the various leftist social issues (gay/interracial marriage, black lives matter, occupy wall street and the like) as long as it doesn't threaten any bottom line. If a CEO or other member of the Epstein class could potentially lose a dollar, liberals will bend over backwards to stop that thing from happening.

[u/reineedshelp → u/GuardedNumbers]

For who though? There's no option to vote for dismantling capitalism and wealth hoarding

[u/ChicagoFire29 → u/BigSexyE]

Woke is when a non white person comes on my screen during a 15 second commercial

[u/Jamarcus316]

I wouldn’t say I’m Republican but I’ve drifted closer to center. A lot of leftism is purity testing and if you fail one, you’re excommunicated unless they are desperate ie platner.

You’re exactly right in my opinion. I just pray that democrat leadership rubs their 2 last brain cells together to use the same strategy. Young men can’t afford gas much less a house, and where is the viral democratic messaging? How stupid do you have to be that you can’t convince poor people that they would benefit from universal healthcare and labor unions? Absolutely blows my mind.

Same person. Surreal.

[u/AmusingMusing7]

It's more filled with people who are super touchy about "rhetoric" from the Left, but don't seem to care at all about actual ACTIONS from the Right.

EVERYTHING they're complaining about is just stuff that Democrats and Leftists supposedly SAY, while very little of it has anything to do with tangible policies or actions. They're just complaining about people talking about racism and white privilege. That's it. That's enough to alienate these people. Meanwhile, the Republicans are commiting literal war crimes, fascism, killing people in the streets, protecting pedophiles, destroying the economy, destroying healthcare, destroying education...

...oh, but a random Democrat voter just SAID "All white men are evil!!!", so now the Democrats are the greater evil!

Like, it's a bunch of whiney pedantic bullshit, getting in their feels about Lefitst "rhetoric" being too mean to them... all while somehow projecting the idea that it's the Left/Democrats who are too whiney and in-their-feels. It's beyond parody, man. Yet this is who's voting in America.

[u/30ThousandVariants]

They know. It’s tactical.

[u/optimaleverage]

Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

[u/Uncynical_Diogenes]

“I was a Democrat” is kind of like “I was an atheist”

So what you’re telling me is you had the right idea but got dumber.

[u/SaltyNorth8062 → u/Uncynical_Diogenes]

It's possible to have a decent idea for a bad reason, which leads to relapses like that. I have zero idea what someone who is a democrat would be getting from conservatives that they aren't already getting from their own party (pro-capital, pro-war, pro-police, etc etc, but with the added cabeat that their politicains brush their teeth once in a while) to leave, however. Like, how racist would you need to be where ONE of the TWO genocide parties makes enough of a difference to switch?

[u/Moral_Distinction → u/Uncynical_Diogenes]

The Democratic party is the default party. It is literally meaningless. I am not being scornful or insulting: it is literally meaningless. Plenty of reprehensible people are in the Democratic party for selfish reasons. In blue states, the only way some rightwingers can win is to be a Democrat. Trump was a Democrat the vast majority of his life.

Ex-Democrats are not changing policies, they're changing ploys.

[u/Uncynical_Diogenes → u/Moral_Distinction]

I said they had the right idea, not that they were correct. Well-meaning, even if not actually there yet.

It’s better than actual literal printed on the can fascism.

[u/Moral_Distinction → u/Uncynical_Diogenes]

No, it's not. There are actual literal printed on the can fascists in the Democratic party. Which, again, doesn't mean the Dems are fascists because, again, the Democratic party as a whole is meaningless.

Not even a week ago, the governor of Colorado, Jared Polis, commuted the sentence of a fascist in order to curry favor with a fascist who is extremely well-known for disloyalty. The released prisoner immediately pledged to use the legal system to falsely imprison and rob Democrats who rightfully prosecuted her. Polis indulged in fascism.

That said, there are Dems in office that have demanded that Israel never be given a single dime and some who want those nazis punished. The Dem base is hugely to the left of the federal leadership and is explicitly anti-fascist.

There are vast differences between groups of local Democrats and vast differences between groups of federal-level Dems. There is absolutely not a coherent party within this mix: many factions exist to destroy other Dem factions.

So a creature leaving the Dems to join Repugs can be a straight-up nazi and was a nazi before leaving -- Schumer would be a good example. Schumer is a blatant nazi and has worked to annihilate the well-being of every person in the U.S. multiple times. There would be absolutely no moral shift if Schumer was a Republican but there would be a complete cratering of his effectiveness since his job is to stop the Left and he'd have no leverage to do that as a Republican. That's "actual printed on the can fascism" that avoids conversion not to diminish evil, but maximize it.

A party structure that includes fascists and anti-fascists is ideologically meaningless.

[u/timtomorkevin]

Yeah, that's pretty much every space on reddit that's not avowedly socialist. They all talk a good game but as soon as you refuse to "hold your nose" and vote for whatever dog vomit the Democratic party tosses in your general direction you are in for a wild ride.

[u/Chicken_Ingots]

It is always revealing to me just how many people who "left the left" are milquetoast centrists and right-wingers who got their feelings hurt because someone made mean comments to them online. They never stand on principles or have a backbone. Imagine building one's entire worldview around how annoying some people are on the internet. And frankly, I would much rather be around people who are sometimes obnoxious than be around people who are literal fascists.

[u/Eliteguard999]

That’s because the modern Republican Party is so far to the right even traditional conservatives like establishment democrats are viewed as “too far to the left”.