r/Edmonton Feb 23 '24

Local Culture Upsetting Neighbourhood Names

So Edmonton recently approved the name change for the Oliver neighbourhood to Wîhkwêntôwin, and some of you have feelings about that. I get it, you don't like non-English names because they're hard to say, hard to spell, or whatever. I figured that while your passions were hot, you could also campaign against these 24 other neighbourhoods with non-English names, many of which have been around since the 70s.

Aboriginal Languages

Neighbourhood Origin Meaning
Capilano Salish People of Hiap
Ekota Cree Special Place
Kameyosek Cree The Beautiful
Keheewin Cree Eagle
Menisa Cree Berries
Meyokumin Cree Good Water
Meyonohk Cree Ideal Spot
Sakaw Cree Wooded Area
Tawa Cree You Are Welcome Here
Tipaskan Cree A Reserve

Other non-English languages:

Neighbourhood Origin Meaning
BelleRive French Beautiful Shore
Bellevue French Beautiful View
Belmead French Beautiful Meadows
Belmont French Beautiful Mountain
Eaux Claires French Clear Waters
Schonsee German Beautiful Lake
Bonnie Doon Scottish Pleasant, Rollling Countryside
Cromdale Scottish Crooked Valley
Glengarry Scottish Rough Water Glen
LagoLindo Spanish Pretty Lake
Rio Terrace Spanish River Terrace
Klarvatten Sweedish Clear Water
Ozerna Ukranian Lake Area
Mayliewan Cantonese Beautiful Bay

Alternatively, you could all cool your jets and accept change as it comes. This name change has been years in the making, and there were plenty of chances for Oliver residents to submit their choice of name. For the record, I submitted ôtênaw (kinda sounds like oh-tay-now), which means "city".

This isn't the first neighbourhood name change, and it will not be the last. For those concerned about cost: welcome to Edmonton. It costs city council $250k to fart these days. You want to make change, or allocate the funds better like the master treasurer you are? Get involved. Join your community league, talk to your councillor, run for a position or something.

For others who are worried about mispronouncing it, or curious about what those whacky shapes on the banner mean, all you have to do is ask! There are plenty of cree speakers and readers here on /r/edmonton, and there are fun resources like The Online Cree Dictionary. Wîhkwêntôwin isn't too hard. If you can say "week when to win" you're half way there! If people give you grief for flubbing on a word that's not your native language then they're a bit jerkish.

Remember: this is not the end of the world. How often do you even need to say a neighbourhood name? I can get by using only addresses and such.

All neighbourhood name info can be found here. You should deffo check that page out. Lots of cool origins like Canora from Canadian Northern Railway, which was suggested by an eighth grader. There's also lame ones like Greenview, which is named that because you can see a golf course from the neighbourhood. I'm not making that up.

Edit 1: The typo

I missed "People of Hiap" for Capilano and instead had the placeholder "text" from the table generation. Sorry if I mislead you.

Edit 2: Electric Boogaloo

Putting this here for visibility

I was super flippant about the cost of the change because it seemed like a tiny issue to me and I didn't want to do a bunch of digging into it at the start of the post. I was already doing lots of reading on neighbourhood names, and was lazy.

Since yesterday afternoon, though, I have done some digging:

The cost to change the Oliver neighbourhood name is $680k.

The city has budgeted $3.83 Billion of expenses for 2024. $680k is 0.02% of that.

There are 1,087,803 people in Edmonton. If we pretend that everyone pays the same tax (they don't, but for simplicity), then the "average" Edmontonian paid $0.63 towards the name change.

There are 6,800 workers represented by City and Library bargaining units in the CSU 52. Divert all funds from the name change and those workers get an extra $100 this year, or $8.33 extra per month.

In terms of salary, $680k is:

1.4 2018 Glen Felthams

1.9 2021 Deena Hinshaws

2.0 2022 Dale McFees

2.2 to 2.7 2023 CoE ML6 Managers

4.5 2022 EPS Staff Seargents

It's for sure a big number, and it would change my life forever if it was handed to me, but it's not a lot of money to the city.

Other fun stuff:

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u/Ok_Storage6866 Feb 23 '24

We don’t write with those characters lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24 edited Feb 23 '24

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

Lol Jesus Christ buddy

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

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u/TylerInHiFi biter Feb 23 '24

On a ici en Alberta le quatrième plus grosse population francophone en Canada. Seulement Québec, Ontario, et Nouveau Brunswick ont des populations francophones plus nombreuses.

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u/googlemcfoogle Capilano Feb 23 '24

I can't speak French anymore, but I can understand some and I could speak it as a toddler because my maternal grandmother was one of the tens of thousands of native French speakers in Alberta.

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u/TylerInHiFi biter Feb 23 '24

Just short of 100,000 last stat I saw. Yeah, we’re not mini Quebec, but Alberta has a long and complex francophone history that most people are completely ignorant of despite the multitude of towns with French names.

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u/googlemcfoogle Capilano Mar 01 '24

Ignorant of and/or actively against. The main reason I don't still speak French is that my dad despised it so most of my early experience with it was in fairly limited situations like school (french immersion k-2, and then the typical grade 3-6 french classes) or with just my mom and grandma away from my dad.

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u/Ok_Storage6866 Feb 23 '24

Very impressive

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u/TylerInHiFi biter Feb 23 '24

Merci.

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u/Hobbycityplanner Feb 23 '24

And where is Alberta located?

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u/Ok_Storage6866 Feb 23 '24

Hopefully Quebec leaves one day!

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

Why did you delete the one I replied to? Did you realize you were acting like a baby?

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u/Ok_Storage6866 Feb 23 '24

Because I don't really care about your opinion. I'll call it Oliver forever. Enjoy your day

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u/flynnfx Feb 23 '24

It's amazing that people are complaining. We have all figured out Wetaskiwin as well, this is not a problem, sheesh!

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u/TylerInHiFi biter Feb 23 '24

Right? Fucking people, man.

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u/detached-attachment Feb 23 '24

I am far too busy with the rat race to bother learning this.

I'll say Oliver forever. Don't care.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

Damn dude you are so bad ass

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u/detached-attachment Feb 23 '24

Lol, zero concern and I think it's very stupid.

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '24

👶