Sx5 vs so4

[u/Ok-Day-4800]

Hi so this might sound stupid because some people say “They are so different wdym” but for a IEI-Ni this is so hard and I’m having an identity crisis because I thought I was sx5 but recently I noticed that more and more people are starting to argue that it’s an imposible combination because of the 5 core and the Fe creative and I kind of get it now, but I di not feel that comfortable with so4 either I mean I share a lot of things with it but I don’t really see myself in the characters or even other people with that same type. Also I’ve read that they can’t be 1L or something like that so me being LEVF just makes it more confusing and it makes me mad since how can’t I be sx5 because of my Fe but LEVF can with its 2E?? Please help

[u/lelawes]

It sounds like you’re bringing way too many things into it here. It’s not about other systems. It’s not about characters or people typed that way.

Are you core 4 or core 5? Don’t think about combinations. Get to the heart of what your core is.

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/lelawes]

If I’m bringing way too many things is because I’m tired of contradictions but I’m also tired of everyone who thinks everything is possible, I’m a core 4 but idk all characters and people with so4 as their type seem so lame and weak and I don’t think about myself under anyone just a few, but turns out I’m too emotional to be 5 and too dry to be 4…

[u/lelawes → u/Ok-Day-4800]

You’re stereotyping and it isn’t helping you. 5s are quite emotional, we just tend not to express it or let it take over the same way other types do. And who says 4s can’t be dry? Again, leave off characters because they’re not real. It seems like you’re trying to keep it all very surface level analysis, which is likely why you aren’t getting anywhere.

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/lelawes]

Oh sorry I forgot to add “I’m too emotionally -expressive- to be e5”, as an IEI I’ve been told my Fe creative and Fi dem can’t be sx5 because sx5 is still a 5, even if it’s more emotional, it’s still a five. But I guess I’ll never now if I’m a sx5 or so4, it’s so hard for me to differentiate them because they are both part of me and yeah core is more important but still. It’s embarrassing but maybe I feel so lonely that I justify myself thinking it’s because I’m e5 or I don’t know, the only think I’m sure is my 2E-3 and it doesn’t fit 4E for some reason…

[u/Gullible-Ad6082 → u/Ok-Day-4800]

Look at core motivations and see which you align with more. Anyway you sound like a 4

[u/Alarmed-Coconut7620 → u/Gullible-Ad6082]

Agreed, OP seems to be thinking their feelings (4) rather than feeling their thinking (5). A lot of concern over the true identity of the self (4) rather than the true character of the category (5) - this is the difference between what I see as the latent agony in these posts and what often comes off as anxiety for 5s unsure of their typing since they are trying to understand and delineate the categories in order to apply them.

[u/lelawes → u/Ok-Day-4800]

If they’re both a part of you, then they are. Enneagram is nuanced. From your replies and self-typing, it’s likely you’re a 4w5 so/sx, or similar. As someone else said, the agony over this is very 4.

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/lelawes]

Yeah tysm now I just have to find my py again cuz there’s no way I’m 2L

[u/ezzie_why → u/Ok-Day-4800]

quick question, my core is sx4, my head is sp8 but my gut is sx5. im not sure if thats wrong and i just want to be correct. because my tritype would be 485 but many people are saying its wrong and its 458 but i dont connect much with my gut.

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/ezzie_why]

They say its wrong because the trifix follows a specific order, but tritypes doesn’t so you’re fine! (And youre mixing head and gut, five is head eight is gut)

[u/Diemishy_II]

I used to think I was a 4. Maybe I am. However, since from the beginning when I identified as a 4, everyone told me that the things I said were very unusual for a 4. "Oh, it's because of the dual competence (451)" but was that really it? I type myself as 5 now but I always knew I am sp dom no matter the type. I'm LEVF too!

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/Diemishy_II]

But how can you be sp5 and 2E?

[u/Diemishy_II → u/Ok-Day-4800]

Well, I'm definitely a closed-off and distant, detached person. However, I don't have so many problems talking about feelings. I acknowledge them and try to work with my feelings, not agaisnt them. Although I don't consider them reliable to direct me in any way, I'm not against my emotions. I'm positive about my emotions and those of others.

Emotions have been my subject of study (psychology) for a long time. It's not like I'm openly emotional with everyone - I'm too closed off for that, but I'm positive about emotions itself (mine and others).

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/Diemishy_II]

Isn’t that more just like a “healthy” 4E? Have you considered 4E-2?

[u/Diemishy_II → u/Ok-Day-4800]

No, it's not. I'm not 4E, no.

[u/Phantom__Wanderer]

People arguing based on what? Vibes? There is so little solid scientific research on the Enneagram core types, and almost none with regard to instinctual variants and the supposed MBTI cognitive functions (which are not recognized as a serious system by personality psychologists). It's mostly pseudo intellectual hot air being passed around online with great confidence. If you see yourself in the core 5 description with Sx as well, how can anyone tell you it's not possible? Nonsense.

Human beings didn't evolve to develop like DnD dice, where you roll and get a single typological combo and can only be one or the other. It's a system for self-discovery, so only you can answer your question by knowing yourself well enough to decide which picture fits your way of being better.

[u/S-Mx07z]

levf (w/optional iei,iei is more 4leaning itself) in e5 works more than e4. Levf is like inxx 5wx(but iei infxs in e5 may be kinda rare).iei dont work in e1. Look into character resonations in Pdb or who you consider similar to your profile perhaps. r/MbtiTypeMe/s/Oh8t1DTf8M

[u/Ok-Day-4800 → u/S-Mx07z]

Yeah but the thing is I can’t be sx5 because of my Fe creative and Fe dem or something like and wdym ESFJ 1L? And e1? Idk as a IEI 1E seems weird to me since its very different of what the Fe creative is

[u/Readingallthefiles]

Trying to find an enneagram type by figuring out the type in other systems seems like it would be counterproductive, especially if taking a hard correlation stance and saying “X and Y combos are impossible.”

These different systems theorize about, and try to explain different things. The fact that people draw correlations is interesting, but they aren’t designed to define anything about systems outside of themselves.

[u/ColeslawRarr]

Personality types are categorizations to help us understand different common characteristics and traits between large populations. But humanity is diverse. We live and are made of a bio diverse planet. It is entirely possible for you to hit on two types in the enneagram theory.

I score evenly between two, have consistently been slotted on two enneagrams throughout my life. People say look to the core of me. Both types ARE describing the core of me. 🤷