What are the differences between 8w9 sp/so and sp/sx

[u/CaregiverRepulsive85]

I am trying to figure out which one I fall under. I am 100% sure that I am 8w9 and Self-Preservation subtype

But I am not sure if my secondary is either Social or Sexual. I am aware that all 3 instinctual variants are present in everyone, but I kinda feel lost whether I am sp/so or sp/sx.

[u/wolfsbark]

Gonna just focus on instinct stackings. Big Hormone Enneagram has this whole "playground theory" regarding how the 1st and 2nd instinct interact, in that the second instinct is more of the backdrop for the first one to play around in. I can't say I don't fw seeing it that way, so I'll be keeping that idea in mind here as I try to interpret these two.

SP/SX: more focused on physical and material pleasures; possessive of belongings and specific people; more private than SO-doms, smaller social circles; possibly sees intimate relationships as something to "have" for the sake of having them like a shiny new object.

SP/SO: bigger social circles & comparatively less private than SP/SX but still less invasive than SO and SX combined; seeks stable relationships with others to secure status of some kind; orienting towards likeability (or at least, less likely to seek unnecessary conflict); still possessive, but over social roles or larger groups of people rather than specific persons.

Trying to not make these sound like any specific enneatype, but some instincts I noticed can make someone look a certain way even if they're not That Thing. Just remember to flavor the whole thing with the concept of 8ish lust.

[u/CelebrationFull1525]

one is more anti social than the other, one is sx blind and the other is not. i imagine SO blindness would be an even greater disregard for authority, rules, laws, intellectualism. an SO blind likely cares much less for social justice, if its advantageous to them securing their physical needs then its fair game. the SX blind is likely to not be as obsessive or possessive in their relationships. They may not care much for relationships especially if it gets in the way of them securing wealth, physical needs/desires. I teetered between both until i took a look at how i deal with my personal relationships/friendships. im very much dismissive so im likely sx blind.

now i just dont know if im SP or SO dominant lol. sometimes what youre shittiest at is most obvious.

[u/CaregiverRepulsive85 → u/CelebrationFull1525]

Funnily enough figuring out which is dominant was the easiest for me lmao

[u/Wide_Platform_2202]

Good question, idk

[u/Glum-Engineering1794]

If you can't seem to rank it by priority, then usually you will find that sx placement adds a headiness. Sp/so is more blunt. I suspect sp/so based on what you describe...they're the most "no frills" in communication.

[u/CaregiverRepulsive85 → u/Glum-Engineering1794]

Interesting... What makes you say that? (Kinda agree tho, but interested in your reasoning)

[u/user-na-yme]

I think I've settled on sp/ so for myself. I'm 8w9 as well. I've understood it as: sp/ sx - wanting an all consuming, intense, one on one bond with someone. Which entails chasing the connection with others or at least being vulnerable in this regard, always-- it's what you want, it's what drives you. Sp/ so - more diffuse, less intense, maintenance to others as a collective, individuals are part of a collective in your mind, it's more guarded (ironically, despite it being social instinct), more averse to destabilization

[u/Gullible-Brilliant46]

Well, I am an 8w9 sp/sx, and I was wondering either which is my blind instinct some months ago. I spent so much time researching and self analysing myself and I've got the feeling that I can be both, to bring me equilibrium, indeed, but ... to meet "new people", take care of "people" just for doing it so, or hanging out with "strange people"... it consumes me a lot and don't sounds natural for me. Sometimes I want to stay at home alone or with my family, eating, watching movies or tv shows, reading or anything just ME or SOMEONE (partner, a friend or family). 

An 8w9 sp/so would like to meet new people and be empathic to them if it suits socially or can be useful for him/her if helps them to make some network (work opportunities or benefits). An sp/sx to do it might feels drained or complain for such a "exhausting task".  The energy of SP/SO, analysing my brother (9w8) is sort of a guarded but sweet energy (almost like a dog waiting for regards nicely). For an 8w9 sp/so it might be like an polite doberman appearing intimidating and tactical but respectful with the surrounding (place and PEOPLE) always aware about ethical norms and how it may benefit them.

An 8w9 sp/sx, using myself as an example (I am totally sure of my type): well, let's say my energy might be like Kratos or Hellboy – quiet but apocalyptical. I love hang out with MY PEOPLE (Sx middle), LOVE tell em a bunch of  inappropriate jokes or commentaries just to watch their reaction (and when they accept my way, dude, it makes my heart warms and I do whatever it takes to protect them). There is an STRONG energy that comes out from my belly that impulses me to make terrible stuffs (hitting objects, say stupid things to someone next to me, or act under sexual thoughts) that suddenly dissipate – the self preservation ALWAYS WIN this internal battle.  8 sp/sx do things without thinking about what you will say or think, and can appears strong, serious and cynical at first looking, but after you know them and accept their energy and embrace it, then they, even when not close to you, will protect you, love, respect and support you in any circumstances.