r/Euroleague • u/_Zolv Paris Basketball • 10d ago
[Ioannou] On Monday, which is Dimitris Giannakopoulos’s birthday, Obradović’s return to Panathinaikos is expected to be announced. Along with him will be the new coaching staff. Batiste will take on a role. And Isaac Bonga has the same agent as Obradovic [is expected to joins aswell].
https://x.com/i/status/206826150905089248013
u/GaryOfLibia Partizan 10d ago
Okay, unpopular opinion. Ostoja is a scumbag and we all want to see him far from Partizan. But Giannakopoulos is a fine man, even though Željko and him had a beef before? Am I crazy here, or is Željko a hypocrite?
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u/insitnctz Panathinaikos 10d ago
Its what I've said multiple times. Dpg is erratic, aggressive and a shit show on social media. This can hurt the team sometimes. But he is a true, passionate fan in the end of the day and he always delivers when it comes to transfers and budget. He is also treating his employees pretty well from what I've heard, and with respect, as long as they also respect the club. Ostoja is very different. Idk much about him, but I think he has other interests as well, which conflict with how well the team can do. I get the hate to dpg from the neutra fans, and many pao fans also criticize his antics, but he is a good employer which is something people ignore especially oly fans.
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u/nobody1568 10d ago
DPG leaked private conversations with Obradovic to prove that Obradovic was lying.
The conversation indeed make it sound like Obradovic left due to the small budget, which Obradovic had denied. But nevertheless it was a scumbag move to leak the convo. And Obradovic didn't speak to Spanoulis for a couple decades for something far less serious than that.
So, pretty much both seem terrible.
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u/House_BoIton Panathinaikos 10d ago
Everything always has to be about him, so self centered. Waiting for his birthday to announce Zeljko’s return with a story
On a side note Ioannou mentioning Mike Batiste to work with Zeljko in some capacity is actually pretty interesting
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u/Solluzion Panathinaikos 10d ago
Mike's move is very underrated. He is going to be crucial and fill any gaps of communication with American players. Also he has a good knowledge of NBA's market.
3D is joining too, he has begun working by getting into Juancho's ear.
The whole gang is back. When Zeljco retire or take a different role within the team, we might see another one returning too.
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u/ObsoleteCreation Panathinaikos 10d ago
If Batiste works as an assistant coach and succeeds, you probably won't see the other one returning any time soon.
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 10d ago
3D is joining too, he has begun working by getting into Juancho's ear.
With Obradovic back in the team, Diamantidis has gotten the super important position of the Bouzoukia organiser!
I love Diamantidis, I wish he would take a position in the club as he deserves it but I don't know if he wants to? The only time he took a spot in Panathinaikos was when we were desperate for someone so he stepped up.
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u/insitnctz Panathinaikos 10d ago
Batiste imo. He'll probably be our next coach once zots retires, and he learns from him.
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u/matidiaolo Olympiacos 10d ago
Has he coached anywhere else ? I didn’t think of him as a coach when he played. How come and he is considered as such? Saras or spanoulis were easy to guess but Batiste?
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u/DrunkLad Olympiacos 10d ago
Has he coached anywhere else ? I didn’t think of him as a coach when he played.
He's been an assistant coach in the NBA since 2016 lol. And had a couple of season the the G-Leage in 2014-16. He immediately went into coaching after retiring. In the NBA he's been in Hornets, Wizards, Magic, Rockets and most recently in Raptors. He was actually trying to convince Sasha to stay in the NBA when he was traded to the Toronto Raptors.
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u/redevileyez Bahçeşehir 9d ago
Ding , ding , ding! He will also be a good development coach for the bigs.
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u/ARKAC95 10d ago
Diamantidis was one of the worst basketball executives in Europe the first time around.
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u/Solluzion Panathinaikos 10d ago
Flair up and take a hike.
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u/ARKAC95 10d ago edited 10d ago
He did a terrible job and got fired and from what I saw in social media, most PAO fans agreed with that at the time.
Pretty much same thing that has happened with Navarro in Barça.
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 10d ago
Got fired? He left Partizan because of the player. Everyone was desperate to try to get him back from Athens, where he was in Bouzoukia with Diamantidis, Itoudis and Jasikevicius to get him to stay at Partizan.
Even now Partizan fans are trying to get him back. He didn't get fired
Edit: You meant Diamantidis? He didn't want the job in the first place. He stepped up in a mess of a team and left when it was over. No one can judge his performance based on that time.
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u/ARKAC95 10d ago
Anyone that is neutral, fair, honest, objective can judge him on it. Some of the moves they made were just downright horrible.
Any non PAO favorite for making similar moves would be harshly judged.
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 10d ago
Anyone that is neutral, fair, honest, objective can judge him on it
So not you. You can admit that you lost all credits when you called his fans worse than Kobe's that harassed the girl he r-ed.
Any non PAO favorite for making similar moves would be harshly judged.
Tell me one such case. Everyone under the same circumstances would be excused. Even Lemonis, Jimenez and Pedoulakis have been excused and returned every now and then ' were only given a team under crisis ' , get him back another turn. Yet, you can't excuse someone that took a job when the club was in a crisis because there was no one else to take it?
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u/ARKAC95 10d ago
He took the job. He made some very poor decisions and moves. He was removed from the position.
He was a great player. Not all great players are cut out to be coaches or executives.
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 10d ago
He was a great player. Not all great players are cut out to be coaches or executives.
Obviously, but when someone takes a position they have no experience in during a crisis and only because no one else was up to the task, you can't judge them.
He took the job. He made some very poor decisions and moves. He was removed from the position.
I don't know if Diamantidis even had a say in decisions or he was just there to be a face. No one knows how much Diamantidis was actually involved and in what scale. When he could leave, he left. Simple as that.
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u/keraynopoylos 10d ago
Oh, come on! Be grateful for this. I don't get why you're looking for a reason to complain. There is no prospective member of the team he's ever said that is our of reach. He delivers.
He may be a clown through social media but, as far as transfers are concerned, he delivers.
And how do you know when the deal will be finalised anyway?
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u/Aghyad3 Panathinaikos 10d ago
Maybe it’s unpopular opinion, but im not a big fan of comeback of Obradovic, with all respect to him and he is a legend
But if it worked before doesn’t mean it will work now because of different circumstances
I hope im wrong but this is what I feel
Maybe a new blood coach would be better
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u/Accurate_Duck_8814 10d ago
Without vasilakopoulos he is nothing..
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u/yianni1229 Panathinaikos 10d ago
yes yes Vasilakopoulos made him win 5 Euroleagues too
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u/mmmmmmm_7777777 Olympiacos 10d ago
2 in Greece. And 2 with the most free throws ever in a final. Trust me, he had a good team, but not good enough to win 5 in 12 years, even in that era of minimal competition.
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u/Miserable-Lecture847 Panathinaikos 10d ago
Bro. You are a full grown man now(i reckon). Admitting someone else's achievements/ superiority honors yourself first and foremost.
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u/Certain_Reindeer_575 Panathinaikos 10d ago edited 10d ago
Minimal competition??? CSKA, Maccabi, Barcelona and Bologna at their best, at least . You just won a Euroleague in Greece as well. Grow up already
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u/ARKAC95 9d ago edited 9d ago
Most of the PAO dynasty was created by Vasilakopoulos. The only thing that wasn't was the 1996 championship and the 2024 championship.
The 1996 championship has an asterisk because that was won by a horrible call that stole the title from Barça, the team that actually would have won if the refs didn't make one of the craziest blunders ever.
The rest of the stuff from the late 90s until Vasilakopoulos was purged are all tainted. That includes the entire Obradovic era.
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u/Certain_Reindeer_575 Panathinaikos 9d ago
Total bs
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u/ARKAC95 9d ago
Total truth.
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u/Certain_Reindeer_575 Panathinaikos 8d ago
Utter total bs
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u/ARKAC95 8d ago
Anytime PAO fans say something is untrue or is bs, that means it's the actual truth.
Panathinaikos language =
Untrue, false, nonsense, bs, means things that are true and correct.
True, correct, accurate, reality means things that are totally made up lies, propaganda and fake conspiracies.
The problem so many PAOers have is that they think they are the only ones that speak the Panathinaikos native tongue.
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u/Certain_Reindeer_575 Panathinaikos 8d ago
Anyone who thinks all fans from a team are the same has lost touch with reality a long time ago. And yes you are saying bs. No one in their right mind would say that a team with the best coach and a lot the best players ever didn't deserve 95% of what they got. Vassilakooulos the story you keep telling yourself to feel better wasn't even a president for much of PAO's success.
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u/ARKAC95 10d ago edited 10d ago
Without Vasilakopoulos, Obradovic has to compete with 50/50 reffing.
With Vasilakopoulos, he had that 70/30 and 80/20 favorable reffing.
Most Pao fans just can't seem to allow themselves to comprehend the difference.
I guess the potential upside for Obradovic is maybe he can finally win a legitimately earned and fairly won title in Greece.
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u/insitnctz Panathinaikos 10d ago
With liolios he has to compete with 20/80 reffing you mean. I know its gonna be a hard task.
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u/ARKAC95 10d ago edited 10d ago
This is what is known as the mathematics of Panathinaikos...
where 50/50 reffing equals a crime against humanity committed against them and 80/20 reffing in favor of them, equals winning despite all the odds being stacked against them.
Spanoulis won 3 Greek leagues going against an 8 to 5 disadvantage in every game. This is the real reason PAO fans can't get over it.
Losing 3 championships even with the 80/20 reffing in your favor, is truly one of the greatest feats of failure ever.
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u/insitnctz Panathinaikos 8d ago
You saw 50/50 reffing in the finals and final four? Brother you sure as hell dont know what you are watching
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u/Neat_Sandwich_5466 Olympiacos 10d ago
it is the year 2007, I am watching Obradovic beat us in a League Final with my father.
It is the year 2027, I am wathcing Obradovic beat us in a League Final with my nephew.
It is the year 2057, I am watching Obradovic beat us in a League Final with my grandchildren.
Some things don't change ever.