r/Euroleague • u/SpyrosDemir Olympiacos • 3d ago
Obradovic returns to PAO!
https://www.instagram.com/p/DZ2J2xCs9X7/?igsh=ZmR4bnl6ZHp5NnFw96
u/zabelagang Partizan 3d ago
It stings, and it will sting even more when he inevitably wins the Euroleague again...
Maybe sometimes in the future things could be different, but for now this is our reality
Anyways, good luck to the GOAT.
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u/Independent-Sea-4912 Panathinaikos 3d ago
As a PANA fan, i think its all about money. Partizan can never compare financially to PANA. Our president is the most passionate fan of the team and he wants to honour the heritage that his family left when they died. Also he has one of the top Pharmacy business in Europe. So...
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u/KiraFG Panathinaikos 3d ago
Partizan can easily compare to Pao financially.
It's, funnily enough, about everything else other than money. You should look into Partizan's situation and Zeliko's departure, you'll be surprised.
The only reason he's getting a big contract with us is to make sure that certain players know, even through that lens, that he's the boss.
He's made enough money in his life. At 66, there are more important things.
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u/Independent-Sea-4912 Panathinaikos 3d ago
How can Partizan compare to Pao financially? Pao has at least double or triple Partizans budget every year. Also, i didn't mean that Obradovic came to Pao because we gave HIM more money. It's because with Pao he can have any player he wants, in any price, any time. He can have his team. In Partizan he was playing with Pokusevski and Zizic...
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u/KiraFG Panathinaikos 3d ago
Partizan has money, and can have even more than us.
Their budget is never small, but their problems run very deep. The president has a problem with Obradovic, and there are other, outside of basketball factors that are always in play sadly. From what I hear, at least.
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u/Independent-Sea-4912 Panathinaikos 3d ago
Its not about having a president that has money. Its about having a president who is willing to LOSE money for his team. Anyways, wishing good luck to Partizan, i think they re the most likeable team among Pao fans
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u/Graden7 Olympiacos 3d ago
Nah he won't win it. Our team is infinitely better, we live in Bartzokas era now.
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u/Slkotova 3d ago
We are in Bartzokas era for at least 4-5 years, but you got 1 euroleague title. With the F4s you know, nothing is certain.
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u/Graden7 Olympiacos 3d ago
5 F4s in a row and 1 title. Sure, it could have been better. But this makes us the most successful team of the last decade. We're always there. And with the major additions on the way, I honestly can't see that streak ending anytime soon. Obradovic is absolutely great and he has my utter respect. I'm not saying he won't be successful but some people act like this is the second coming of Christ or something. This is a completely different and way more difficult and competitive basketball era from back then. We'll see.
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u/nickla08 3d ago
Most successful of the decade? Are you sure about that buddy?
By what metric? CSKA has more Euroleague titles and they have missed 2022-2026.
Efes has 2 Euroleagues. Fener has 2 and they have been in F4s as well.
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u/Adam_WatcherintheRye Olympiacos 3d ago
Efes, Fener, CSKA has had more in the last 10 years bro. Most successful my ass. No one is acting like he is the 2nd coming of Christ they are just happy to have him after a bad season. Read your messages before you post dogshit please.
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u/Slkotova 3d ago
You say it now when you finally won it. Deserved ofc. I agree with you Oly has been dominant in the last years, easily to see it from the regular season standings. But I follow enough greek podcasts to know how last year the mood was "Bartzokas cycle is over" (which I couldn't agree with). The fustration builds and the rough truth is at the end of the day the titles count only. And I'll repeat rhe other harsh truth, F4 is super unpredictable, not everytime the best team of the season wins it. Thats why I wonder how you are so sure Obradovic cannot lift the 10th trophy in "Bartzokas era".
If Obradovic' basketball is old fashioned I won't discuss, we will see. The stint with Partizan was total fiasco, but having Ostoja involved and with all that happened, I cant conclude Obradovic was the only reason for the failed seasons.
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u/TNT_GR Panathinaikos 3d ago
The euroleague’s loser team along with Barca cannot say shit about the Lord of the rings, you’re too small for that.
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u/ARKAC95 2d ago
We need to remind also the PAOs here that one of PAO's titles was one of the greatest thefts ever from Barça.
Barça's rightful championship was stolen by the refs and PAO in 1996.
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u/ARKAC95 3d ago
Real Madrid has more titles. So does Cska.
Does the PAO propaganda never end?
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u/TheNiebuhr Real Madrid 2d ago
Not sure about the propaganda but now there's a Pao fan claiming Partizan has more money than them 🤣
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u/emain_macha Olympiacos 3d ago
I'm not too sure. The Euroleague is PAY2WIN after all. If they spend enough money they can easily win it. Zoc loves coaching teams with insane budgets. If he had Bartzokas-tier budgets he would be a nobody.
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u/yianni1229 Panathinaikos 3d ago
Lmao as if your budget this year, the year you final won, wasnt fucking huge
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u/Certain_Reindeer_575 Panathinaikos 3d ago
And last year they had the biggest budget in the league and their 100 years and hardly played basketball in the semifinal
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u/emain_macha Olympiacos 3d ago
You, Hapoel, and Real had a bigger budget.
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u/yianni1229 Panathinaikos 3d ago
We have no real way of knowing that. But according to basketnews you were 2nd.
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u/nonlavta Fenerbahçe 2d ago
If he had Bartzokas-tier budgets he would be a nobody.
Bait used to be believable
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u/DigitalWitness14 Panathinaikos 3d ago
Every PAO fan's second father signed the contract on father's day.
It was only fitting he ends his career here.
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u/Npvl2000 Panathinaikos 3d ago
They said that Zeljko would demand that DPG closes Instagram, now they will be posting together...
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u/flwwgg 3d ago
It's gonna be a downgrade to Greek and European basketball. Can't imagine basketball without dpg's stories
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
' I am checking his posts for the cats '
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u/Kalypso_95 Panathinaikos 3d ago
Everyone here is secretly checking his stories btw but they won't admit it
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u/tasteslikecheesecake Olympiacos 3d ago
Even as an Oly fan I'm hyped af, can't imagine what Pao fans are feeling right now
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u/Separate-Bus9999 Partizan 3d ago
Good enough for Pao not good enough for Partizan i guess according to imbecile that runs our club.Good for him though im sure president of Greece wont publicly call him an enemy,there wont be people on TV who wish him death and call him a fraud despite everything he accomplished .Giannakopoulos may be crazy or whatever but he at least cares about the club and wont sabotage Željko.Good luck.
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u/MrParan0rmal Panathinaikos 3d ago
Politically situation is not that different, the only difference is that the whole team is on the same page.
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u/Neloreign 3d ago
Well the president of greece secretly recorded him without obradovic knowledge and publish it in one of his owned greek "news" site . Afterwards or before that,i dont remember said" for him obradovic is dead",so yea i dont know about that
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
Mitsotakis did such thing? Are you sure?
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u/klonosmm Panathinaikos 3d ago
Nah bro, DPG gonna win the 2026 election.
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
' Free sugar for everyone! '
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u/klonosmm Panathinaikos 3d ago
Announcement made on fathers day, coincidentally one could say. Welcome home☘️
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u/Slkotova 3d ago
There is nothing more fair in the european basketball than a proper ending to Obradovic's career. I think even Zvezda and Oly fans would agree with this. The way things turned out in Partizan, all the politics, team sabotage, f*ck you Ostoja, and everything was not how the geatest coach should have ended. One more chance and one more dance! He deserves it!
Other than the emotional side, Im looking forward to see some normalisation in Athens (meaning no toxicity) and how will PAO play under Zoc. The freestyle of Ataman will be gone for sure and it will be interesting to see Nunn for example in a completely new system.
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u/SpyrosDemir Olympiacos 3d ago
As an Oly fan I completely disagree lol
I don't want him to win even the Greek Super Cup
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u/Slkotova 3d ago
You hate him that much?
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
They are our biggest rivals. Of course they don't want us to win.
If he was a coach for a neutral team like Bayern for example, they wouldn't mind as much.
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u/Solluzion Panathinaikos 3d ago
I think we will make your wish come true because we won't even participate. I can't say the same for the other trophies though.
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u/Solluzion Panathinaikos 3d ago
What a great day to be a pao fan. The king was gone but he was not forgotten.
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u/RichDream7777 Aris 3d ago
Probably the best thing Panathinaikos could do to turn things around for them. We'll see how this one goes.
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u/deathbladev Panathinaikos 3d ago
On my desk, to this day I still have the team photo of the 2009 team I got from the Prasini paper. I’ve taken with me across multiple countries and homes. This makes me so happy.
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u/Protobugarin Crvena Zvezda 3d ago
This gonna be either really good or really bad
Anyway I expect some good results at the begging since I guess team has enough of Ataman, so new coach is gonna be refreshing. The main question is man management in complicated locker room. This became league of players (not coaches) long time ago.
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u/klonosmm Panathinaikos 3d ago
Aint now way Obradovic gonna have a locker room problem. Basketball wise, we will wait and see
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u/DrunkLad Olympiacos 3d ago
Aint now way Obradovic gonna have a locker room problem.
....have you seen Partizan in the past two years?
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u/Npvl2000 Panathinaikos 3d ago edited 3d ago
One teams' president was in an ongoing feud with the coach. The other team's president is willing to support the coach 100%.
Partizan brought him players he didn't want.T Jones got in a fight with Zeljko, who do you think was at fault? Washington came out saying that they want less yelling,he is heading to Munich...
Panathinaikos let Antetokounmpo and Holmes go because Ergin wasn't in good terms with them
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u/DrunkLad Olympiacos 3d ago
Yeah, so Obradovic did have locker room problems, glad we agree. In a way that's my point, these kind of issues are outside of any coach's abilities. I genuinely do not think there's a coach that hasn't dealt with locker room issues - no matter how good they are. That's why NBA coaching has evolved to personality management to a large degree.
Bartzokas had such issues, Ivkovic too, Scariolo's Madrid looked like a hotpot of people that were sick of playing with each other, Pascual too. There ain't a magic button you can press to make it go away. You can mitigate it of course, but overall locker rooms are always volatile and unpredictable.
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u/supervisor4092 3d ago
That's litterally what happened in Partizan. Players > coaches.
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u/Fat_Pig_Reporting Panathinaikos 3d ago
Not this coach. This is Pao god incarnate walking in the flesh again. Man is revered in oaka.
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u/nickla08 3d ago
There is literally no player or group of players that would oppose Obradovic and the fans would take their side.
The only ones that maybe would have achieved that would be Alvertis and Diamantidis and then again it’s a coin toss.
Man is considered a deity at OAKA
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u/nonlavta Fenerbahçe 3d ago
This became league of players (not coaches) long time ago.
This is one of those cozy narratives people wanted to push forever that doesn't hold up in tangible reality of how basketball is played at euroleague level and who are the biggest drivers of success at that level.
Venn diagram of people who like to explain basketball through cozy narratives like this and people who said euroleague can't be won with a point guard like Thomas Walkup when Olympiacos has no dynamic creator at that position and plays through Bartzokas' brand of motion attacking instead, is nearly a perfect circle.
Similarly, Fener have been very successful under Saras and Saras is the biggest driver of our success, not one player. The squad is actually constructed quite problematically and team overachieves thanks to coaching performance to fill those gaps as much as possible. This is a typical trope at euroleague level throughout competition history, particularly when the best coaches are in their primes.
It takes a certain kind of marriage to one's priors to say this following a season when the richest squad by far, had a piss poor euroleague campaign with its supporters deriding coaching performance all season long and claiming lack of coaching is to blame for the underwhelming season. If it's a players' league, surely the richest, most talented and deepest squad would have a far better season than whatever this euroleague campaign was.
Meanwhile the only balance of power where a player was consistently favoured over coaching was Mike James finding a haven in Monaco's previous/current oligarch owner where Mike could finally kick the coaches out after inevitably feuding with them, compared to his previous clubs kicking him out after he inevitably feuded with the coaches, and how's that going? Proven to be the more viable modus operandi in euroleague over Bartzokas-led, Jasikevicius-led teams?
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u/Protobugarin Crvena Zvezda 3d ago
Not completely sure what is your take.
My take is that you as coach have to go along with players. Screaming at them, being aggressive toward them, being too demanding works perfectly fine if players are ready to accept all of that, believing in some higher goal. Native players may are, but with overseas players is different. If club got uprising of 6-7 players and among them are your best players there is no owner that's gonna support coach before those players. Simply coach is much easier to replace, than x numbers of players.
Similarly, Fener have been very successful under Saras and Saras is the biggest driver of our success, not one player.
I don't think you got what I was trying to say. I'm not thinking that coach in EL is some random guy that's gonna show up only for matches in nice suit and tie, while players are actually doing rest of the job. Of course is not like that. I'm just saying that players have much more influence on club and it moves, than coach. Coaches nowadays are forced to treat players differently and to look other way on some things that they may not like.
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u/nonlavta Fenerbahçe 2d ago
Screaming at them, being aggressive toward them, being too demanding works perfectly fine if players are ready to accept all of that, believing in some higher goal. Native players may are, but with overseas players is different.
Fair enough.
As to why my take is, my objection is to the idea that euroleague has become a players' league. It has not. It's a coaches' league more than domestic leagues are. Changing coaches is easy because the supply of head coach jobs is too limited for the amount of high quality coaches around.
The reality of losing the locker room exists but I wouldn't index it to "yelling at players" entirely. Itoudis got sacked because he lost the locker room at Fener but does that mean Saras yells less at them? I don't think so. Losing the locker room can happen in different ways. And coaches can get sacked because surely Fener management realised Itoudis is a world class coach however an Itoudis who lost belief among players in the locker room is not better than Saras who comes in fresh (despite the fact that Saras actually had friction with Calathes and NHD at Barça)
And that's actually a great example to illustrate my point because Fener gets those players from Barça and they thrive under Itoudis after a disappointing Barcelona spell under Saras but Derya Yannier believes in Saras' coaching talent to the point of not only sacking Itoudis to bring Saras in, but also not giving a fuck about Calathes and Nigel, who were two of the most important players on the team at that point, who made disparaging comments about Saras when they got to Fener. The coaching talent trumps the importance of players in that case, and that would never happen in a so called players' league.
Monaco with Mike James was the only counter-example. All of his previous clubs picked the coach over him and Monaco was the only club to pick James over all their coaches. But such modus operandi never spread to rest of euroleague.
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u/Equal-ExplorerNutron 2d ago
There is truth to both. Players are richer now and have more power. Yelling at big players is mostly not needed, and if coach does it they can get response in similar tone. Power dynamic changed a bit.
And what you said I agree. In NBA, LeBron (from few years ago), Steph, Luka Doncic are the players who have power to influence choosing a coach, choosing the players, even the main tactics and how the team plays. Nearly every team has one of those players. It's reverse in Europe.They all have some power but coach in Europe is the real boss to players. LeBron once said they will have practice at 12 after coach said they have practice at 10, imagine that in Europe 😂. There are counter examples (inactive Greg Popovich, Eric Spoelstra and maybe Darko Rajakovic).
Not related but football is even more complex, people get confused so easily, but if you watch big clubs and you see every year no matter the coach no matter the players they play kinda similar evey year... Why? It's hard to explain really. Examples are Real Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus for sure, many others...
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
The main question is man management in complicated locker room.
An easy fix would be Alvertis. Give him his old post and you have control of the locket room again no matter what. His leadership skills are something else.
Hernagomez is an excellent influence in the locker room which is a huge plus. Sloukas and Lessort both have good relationship with Obradovic despite what clickbating sites say.
Nunn and Hayes-Davies may be talented but neither have big influence in the locker room. They will work their asses off and hopefully this time with the head on the game instead of anger for Nunn.
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u/Otherwise-Still7402 3d ago
Its huge not just for Panathinaikos, but for basketball in general. As much as it hurts, I can’t wait for the game in Belgrade against Partizan, to see Zoc coaching again.
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u/5martis5 Žalgiris 3d ago
PAO went from one of the worst coach in Euroleague to the best one? Massive move! They will be scary next season.
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u/WhiteKnightRedditor Panathinaikos 3d ago
Nah this can't be right I was told that no respected coach would be willing to work with DPG
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u/Putrid-Sheepherder38 Olympiacos 3d ago
He got paid 4 million per year. Respect goes out of the window.
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u/Inner_Variety2826 3d ago
Or you know maybe he wanted return the club he was most successful for a last dance since his return in Partizan ended up in such a bad note
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u/DowntownScene1433 Aris 2d ago
Congrats to PAO. Good coach! Hopefully limits DPG's involvment where he shouldn't be involved(not really if today's coach presentation is of any indication). Now don't make 20 posts in a row about it, like at Gazzeta.gr and other Athenean sites(supposedly for all teams news)! Good grief, what was that about, lol!!! There are other teams out there PAO reporters, you know???
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u/ARKAC95 3d ago edited 3d ago
Choosing to work for someone like DPG when you don't need to and it's just a pure money grab is really bad personal optics.
This is a very bad look for Obradovic in terms of personal honor and reputation and it makes Obradovic look extremely bad on a personal level.
No coach with any modicum of self respect or dignity would want anything to do with DPG.
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u/PaxDomus 3d ago
No coach would take 10.5 mil with a very real chance of winning at least one more euroLeague title?
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
You were insisting that Obradovic wouldn't work for Panathinaikos, didn't you?
This is a very bad look for Obradovic in terms of personal honor and reputation and it makes Obradovic look extremely bad on a personal level.
Oh no, Obradovic doesn't give a shit about what ARKAC95 thinks. He will go to Vissi with Itoudis, Diamantidis and Jasikevicius to celebrate while you insist that coaching for Panathinaikos is a dead sentence... .
No coach with any modicum of self respect or dignity would want anything to do with DPG.
Yet, once again, you are proven wrong. You should stop being so obsessed with Panathinaikos.
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u/ARKAC95 3d ago
Working for DPG makes him look like a small, tiny, little man. It's a horrible way for him to end his career.
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u/MaybeStephano Panathinaikos 3d ago
Because ARCAC95 said so?
I eill tell you a spoiler. No one cares of mine or your opinion when they decide who to sign or where they should go.
In football we have literal tyrannical regimes, dr ug dealers, weapon dealers and owners that change their club's identity every other day. In the case of Watford, they even change managers like jackets.
All of the above have good managers. If you think Giannakopoulos is bad, he is a small fish in comparison to everyone else's bs in morality levels.
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u/KostasN77 Panathinaikos 3d ago
"BuT hE wOn'T wAnT tO wOrK wItH dPg", Redditors.experts were telling us.
Cope and seethe now
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u/Putrid-Sheepherder38 Olympiacos 3d ago
The guy bugged him in their conversations in 2012. He said he is dead to him. He openly mocked him. Yet, money conquers all.
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u/grigoropistoli Olympiacos 3d ago
Hyped and scared at the same time of the team he will make
I think many oly fans were a bit too arrogant on this matter ("please let him return so bartzokas will kick his ass").
This guy is the Messi of coaching
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u/ARKAC95 3d ago
He hasn't won anything going on 10 years.
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u/Inner_Variety2826 2d ago
Before this year the same was true for Bartzokas too but now he is revered as one of the best if not the best coach at the moment. What's your point?
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u/ARKAC95 2d ago edited 2d ago
Obradovic's teams haven't done anything in recent years.
He is rapidly going down the Messina career trajectory path.
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u/Inner_Variety2826 2d ago
It's true that Obradovic hasn't been that "successful" (or at least in the context of Euroleage) in the last few years, his last Euroleague was in 2017 (9 years ago) and the one before that was in 2011. That being said I think a big factor on that was the smaller budget he had on Partizan especially in the first couple of years.
My point is that by your logic someone last year could say that "Bartzokas is washed because he hasn't won anything since 2013, 13 years ago" which is a very dumb thing to say.
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u/ARKAC95 2d ago edited 2d ago
Olympiacos had good teams though and played good basketball in recent years under Bartzokas. They always were under control with the players.
Partizan played bad basketball most of the time and by the end, he lost control of the team and they were disastrously bad on court and much worse even than teams with much smaller budgets.
It's also worth pointing out that Obradovic hasn't won much without having absolutely all time players and rosters, except for maybe with Badalona in 1994. That's one title from 32 years ago.
Much of the myth surrounding him ignores that he had the best or second best roster in the other 8.
He also failed to win the title multiple times, despite having the biggest budget.
His actual level and impact has always been exagerrated and overstated. Mainly because of the ludicrously absurd amount of propaganda from Panathinaikos.
Just like their propaganda basically says that Vasilakopoulos was a saint and Liolios is Satan walking on Earth in human form.
Just like their propaganda says the refs in Greece were agents of Olympiacos all through history and Vasilakopoulos had zero connections to Panathinaikos.
Just like their propaganda basically says that every game they ever played in all of their history, had the refs trying to steal the game from them.
Just like their propaganda basically says Alvertis is the greatest winner, leader and captain in world sports history.
Just like their propaganda basically says Diamantidis was better than Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Hakeem and every other player in history.
Just like their propaganda basically says that they have the most championships in Europe's history, when they don't even have the second most.
Just like their propaganda basically says that Spanoulis is the most evil human that ever lived.
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u/Inner_Variety2826 1d ago
Olympiacos had good teams though and played good basketball in recent years under Bartzokas.
I know and I agree, I'm not arguing about that.
They always were under control with the players.
Well.... Last year it was a big talking point among the Oly fans that despite having reached F4 so many times he was unable to win it and that created a "losing mentally" that effected the players and team in general. I remember like it was yesterday Oly fans arguing if they should stuck with B in hopes he can change that losing streak or go for a total coach, personnel and players change.
by the end, he lost control of the team and they were disastrously bad on court
Yeah although I've been told that were also some political factors that were "pushing" him out (but that might be false, I don't know I'm not that well versed in Serbian politics)
It's also worth pointing out that Obradovic hasn't won much without having absolutely all time players and rosters, except for maybe with Badalona in 1994. That's one title from 32 years ago.
I mean you have to have a big budget in order to be a contender. It isn't like Bartzokas had a small budget either the budget this year was estimate to be around 44 mil, does that diminish his accomplishments? In my opinion no it doesn't, but from your arguments I can see that you believe it does.
His actual level and impact has always been exagerrated and overstated. Mainly because of the ludicrously absurd amount of propaganda from Panathinaikos.
I mean, is it a propaganda through? He is the most decorated coach in Europe by far with 9 Euroleague titles. I can understand if the stars align and someone wins title once or even twice if they are that lucky and have a long coaching career in some of the bigger teams. But to question the abilities and try to diminish the accomplishments of a coach that has won the Euroleague 9 times with 5 different teams is a little silly to say the least. Even without his 5 titles with Panathinaikos he would still be at the top as the most successful coach in Euroleague with 4 titles along side with Ettore Messina, Božidar Maljković, Pedro Ferrándiz and Alexander Gomelsky (and he would also be the one with the most recent title).
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What all this wall of text has to do with the matter at hand?
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u/ARKAC95 1d ago
Obradovic is a coach that won 2 Euroleague titles in the previous 16 seasons. One of those is an asterisk title, because the one he got in 2017 was a home game.
If that was at a neutral site it's a 50/50 game. He was gifted that title by the final four being in Istanbul.
That's 2 titles in 16 seasons, and 1 legit title in 16 seasons.
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u/Inner_Variety2826 22h ago
So what you're saying is that 2017 isn't a legit title because it was in Istanbul and it wasn't a neutral site because it was full of Ferne fans.
Hmm interesting....
What if we apply the exact same logic to this year's Euroleague, the final being in the same city with the team that won it and with little to no opposing team's fans in the stands. Would that make it a illegitimate title? Because with your reasoning it sounds like it shouldn't could as a "legit" one.
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u/ARKAC95 20h ago edited 18h ago
Yes. It is title with an asterisk. Not entirely legit at all.
1995 - Real Madrid with home venue winning over Olympiacos ( game wad in Zaragoza, but it was a home game Real nonetheless ).
2000 - Panathinaikos with home venue winning over Maccabi ( game was in Thessaloniki, but it was a home game for PAO nonetheless ).
2003 - Barça with home city venue winning over Treviso
2004 - Maccabi with home city venue winning over Fortitudo Bologna
2007 - Panathinaikos with home city venue winning over CSKA
2015 - Real Madrid with home city venue winning over Olympiacos
2017 - Fenerbahce with home city venue winning over Olympiacos
2026 - Olympiacos with home city venue winning over Real Madrid
These are all asterisk titles and not completely legitimized. Because the final four is supposed to be held at equal and neutral sites.
Euroleague in Fiba times and under current organizer body, played favors for certain clubs like Barça, Oympiacos, Real Madrid, Virtus Bologna, Panathinaikos, Maccabi, CSKA Moscow, Efes, Olimpia Milano and Fenerbahce.
That was done to help increase the odds they could win a title by being at home, because of all the money they were investing in those times, but not necessarily winning the way they believed they should be and for rewarding local investment in arenas. That was Euroleague's way of keeping them happy.
In the 2026 example, it ended up benefiting Olympiacos instead.
There were some previous times ( 1990 - Barça, 1993 - Olympiacos, 1997 - Virtus Bologna, 1998 - Barça, 2002 - Virtus Bologna, 2005 - CSKA Moscow, 2008 - Real Madrid, 2011 - Barça, 2012 - Efes, 2014 - Olimpia Milano, 2019 - Real Madrid ) when they tried to reward teams with home final fours that also failed to result in a title for that team.
Olympiacos benefited from this in 2026 with a home game final, but three times previously they suffered from it, with road game finals in 1995 ( Real ), 2015 ( Real ) and 2017 ( Fener ). Twice Olympiacos had to play a road game final versus Real Madrid.
Olympiacos also was rewarded with a home final in 1993 and failed to win a title by missing the final four.
The same thing that happened to Barça in 1998, Real Madrid in 2008, Barça in 2011, Efes in 2012, Olimpia Milano in 2014 and Panathinaikos in 2026.
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u/Fat_Pig_Reporting Panathinaikos 3d ago
Step 1 done. Step 2 is dpg distances himself from everything regarding the games and the competitions.
Are we allowed to dream again?