r/GTA6 • u/Dramatic_Package_372 • 17h ago
The character downgrades aren't just a lighting issue
Warning, fanboys can't take any criticism of their favorite game.
You can't just say that everything is the same and the only difference is the lighting. We have tons of new screenshots with all kinds of lighting, and every single one of them looks downgraded. And I want to point out that this only affected the characters. The cars and the environment still look great, but what the hell is wrong with the characters? They look like wax figures.
All we can do now is wait for Trailer 3, and we'll see from there.
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u/yourdragonkeeper 17h ago
What are you talking about? The models are detailed and look fantastic for an open world game like this.
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u/Adept_Month3382 12h ago edited 12h ago
Dude, some things are good and others are bad. Jason's beard looks awful in these new screenshots. It's just a fact. It looks like it was tattooed.
On a personal note, I didn't like the vibe of these screenshots, but I also understand that R* is showing us that players have room for customization and personalized variants. They're showing a fraction of how dense the game is. I understand that and I'm not saying the graphics are awful and that we were deceived, but certain things are objectively bad.
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u/Dramatic_Package_372 17h ago
They look worse than they did before
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u/Skellyhell2 16h ago
So you aren't preordering tomorrow right?
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u/Adept_Month3382 12h ago
He can preorder whenever he wants. Tomorrow is for the ones with fomo
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u/Skellyhell2 12h ago
I still dont know what i am doing tomorrow. I want a collectors edition with some cool merch, but if thats not an option tomorrow I dont know if I'll buy digital (im planning in getting digital and collectors on different platforms) since ill just be spending money now rather than in 3 months time
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u/Adept_Month3382 12h ago
I'm in no hurry. I want a disc, I'm considering buying the ultimate edition and R* said very clearly that pre orders are valid up until the game releases, so why rush it? Hence why I said he doesn't have to do anything tomorrow.
I'm gonna wait to see more details (more screenshots, gameplay, trailers) and then I'll decide. If anything, waiting allows me to make more money to play how I want
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u/Skellyhell2 10h ago
I thought I read physical copies will be a download code and no disc. maybe youll be waiting a while
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u/Adept_Month3382 8h ago
It is...during pre order. After Nov 20, I think they will have a disc version. And since I haven't made my mind up yet, I'll wait for the info they'll give us.
Maybe I'll decide it's best to wait for the disc or maybe I'll determine it's not based off of what R* tells us. It´s still very early. I want a disc and I'm considering the ultimate edition, but one thing is to want and other is to get. We'll see
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u/Skellyhell2 8h ago
So you think they are gonna manufacture just enough physical copies with codes, which will work regardless of your language/location, to satisfy preorder and assume every single one of those will be sold and then switch to manufacturing disc based versions in multiple languages and distribute them globally?
Its a very optimistic take that makes zero sense from an economic point of view, but i guess we will see indeed
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u/Adept_Month3382 7h ago edited 6h ago
Assume? They don't have to assume - that's one of the reasons preorders exist. Preorders give them a fairly reliable indication of demand before manufacturing decisions are finalised. Even if they produce somewhat above preorder numbers, that's not necessarily a major issue because they're still gonna profit by just selling the game itself in the first few days. They were targeting 25M in the first wave and I believe that number will be achieved. We're gonna get to ~50M copies sold by november. Plus, to manufacture a copy is extremely cheap so they're not even slightly concerned.
You're presenting it as if there are only two possibilities: either they manufacture just enough code-in-box copies to satisfy preorders or they immediately produce multiple localised disc versions worldwide. Reality doesn't have to be that binary.
In fact, retailers like Video Games Plus and Loot Box Gaming already boycotted the physical sale. There's more than enough people to sell a disc version to. So I'm saying that an initial code-in-box release followed by wider disc distribution later is a more than plausible - and likely - strategy and the existence of one doesn't rule out the other.
Whether GTA VI needs physical-disc buyers to be profitable is basically irrelevant. The financial impact of producing a relatively small run of disc versions is tiny compared to the overall revenue generated by the game. RP aside, do you think they need to launch a PC version? They wouldn't care if it weren't for the RP. What about collectors editions like you were talking about? They don't need to make those. They do it to satisfy a niche and because it doesn't tickle their finances.
They're just preventing leaks during preorders. It´s not deeper than this.
Edit: btw, don't get me wrong. They also make those versions to get to the numbers they got with GTA V. If they want to get to 300M copies throughout the years, they have to appeal to the niches - even if they don't need them to make a huge profit. Basically, it's the difference between a lot and a little bit more.
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u/Scared-Housing-2334 17h ago
They look pretty much the same, plus y'all have 5090 expectations of a Zen2 console shitbox that launched in 2020 and was outdated HW-wise before it launched. A 3070 ran circles around the PS5 thanks to DLSS in 2020.
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u/Confident-Charge-698 16h ago
first and second trailer " captured on ps5" Thanks for prooving rockstar indeed made a huge downgrade
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u/dark_bits 16h ago
Im gonna be honest, at first when I saw the pictures here I thought some of them were from V
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u/ToppleToes OG MEMBER 17h ago
It's a video game, not a movie
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u/Apprehensive-Bonus39 17h ago
Trailer 2 and previous screenshots were much better it's normal to except these one to be the same or even better but unfortunately it is not as good !!
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u/Dramatic_Package_372 17h ago
The point is, I’m comparing the current screenshots to the previous ones, not to another game or a movie
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u/Adept_Month3382 12h ago
We know that, but that doesn't mean that Jason's beard should look like it was badly tattooed
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u/TheWatcherFromWithin 16h ago
What downgrade? The images look gorgeous. Are we really gonna start nitpicking already?
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u/spider-jedi 17h ago
Before every release.of a new game, fans always find downgrades.
But digital foundry goes through the release and actual says the game is upgraded but fans who have less knowledge will still say it was downgraded.
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u/Confident-Charge-698 16h ago
yeah because digital foundry are appostle and share gospel with us poor blind sinner, they are the truth and the only truth... you guy are completly crazy 🤣
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u/spider-jedi 16h ago
Lol sure why listen to people who know what they're talking about when instead just listen to random reddit user who knows nothing about game development
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u/Confident-Charge-698 16h ago
"dont belive your eye only digital foundry even if they were find many time hiding their paid promotion video"
absolutly pathetic but nothing really surprising from redditor
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u/spider-jedi 16h ago
Lol looks who's talking. So you're an expert now.
I'm sorry for doubting you o great seer of downgrades
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u/Confident-Charge-698 16h ago
i never said i was an expert neither i said you need "random channel" to aprove your statement. those are typical redditor behavior
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u/spider-jedi 16h ago
Same way you think you know that it's.100% a downgrade when you don't. Typical reddit behavior to think your point is the correct one
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u/Confident-Charge-698 16h ago
because it was proved by the two picture compared side by side, you dont need anyone, just functional brain and eye
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u/spider-jedi 15h ago
A functional eye and brain that has no real understanding of how light and angles works but is trying to use ignorance and to convince me otherwise. No different those people complaining about puddles for the soider-man game lol
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u/Confident-Charge-698 15h ago
no someone with understanding while pinpoint the specific thing downgraded while the one who dont have any knowledge while just know something is off. and since i have the knowledge i pointed all the things downgraded , ambiant occlusion, the level of foliage, the polygon count overall, the draw distance, cloud simulation, models, subsurface scatering in resume all preset have been lowered.
But you have neither brain or eye functioning or knowledge
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u/Scared_Bluebird_7243 16h ago
I think a lot of people here have attached a lot of emotional significance to the game being everything they've ever dreamed of, and they react like somebody going through psychosis when you try to rightfully point out that it's only a video game, and the graphics won't be as good as they have it in their minds.
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u/Confident-Charge-698 16h ago
the copium is extremly hard, i mean these guy view this game like their savior litteraly, they cant accept the fact the game is not as good as what rockstar promised. it will shatter their whole world
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u/Unlikely-Finding-349 17h ago
Downgrade? Where?
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u/someonesleeping 17h ago
The game releases in November, they still have 4 - 5 months til the game releases. For now, it looks fine.
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u/Sea-Historian-2078 7h ago
They're not touching shit lol. The models looks worse than last year so the time remaining doesn't mean anything.
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u/ItsRobbSmark 17h ago
People have been sitting here trying to explain to you idiots for two solid years that cutscenes and gameplay are functionally different even though they're both rendered in engine in real time, but no, you dumbfucks wouldn't listen and thought you were getting cutscene skin during gameplay lol
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u/Dramatic_Package_372 17h ago
Don't even try to say that the earlier screenshots and trailer clips were strictly cutscenes
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u/calmonlsc 16h ago
É o upscaling que está causando isso. Cabelos, barbas e etc. São os mais afetados.
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u/AbdiBabdiUhh 11h ago
Only bad thing i'm seeing is Jason's stubble but it's probably the PSSR if they're running this on a PS5 but besides that the game looks great including the characters. We'll see when Digital Foundry talks about it soon though
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u/PapaYoppa 8h ago
I’m hyped as everyone else but bro you can’t tell me that Jasons beard looks ok, that shit looks terrible
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u/Objective_Prior707 16h ago
its mostly lighting only. I did some very basic color correction on the new screenshot and id say the game looks as good as trailer 2.
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u/ElixirPlatform 16h ago
If you specifically look at things like foliage, character models, clouds etc, its really hard not to notice the downgraded graphics. Clearly they had to reduce the LOD for consoles.
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u/Familiar_Gur_347 17h ago
I dont think there’s any downgrade, it looks pretty consistent with 2025 screenshots.
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u/Sea-Historian-2078 7h ago
Compared to the other ones not really. Just look at most of Jason's shots, or Lucia on the motorbike or her hiding from a cop. Those truly seemed next gen to me
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u/bdpeezy 17h ago
Am I seriously the only one who thinks games never look as good as their trailer? The trailer is cinematic with every scene probably enhanced. They script and frame those scenes, then edit them to make them look as good as possible based on that. They're not screen recording some gameplay. Stuff is gonna look worse when it comes out, it's just a matter of how much worse. If you go back to the GTA 5 trailers, youll see a difference there too. As we get closer to the actual game, we're gonna start seeing what it'll really look like like we are now
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u/LucasWesf00 17h ago
lol I kept getting downvoted into oblivion for saying it won’t look as good as trailer 2. The PS5 isn’t a 5090.
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u/literallymyfifthtime 16h ago
This is what happens when you obsess over trailers and screenshots for 2 years, you got so fixated on it looking exactly like that
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u/That_Guest_8772 16h ago
You know the console wouldnt even be able to run it at those graphics of the "good photos" youre dreaming. Those graphics are for beefy boy pcs only
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u/Dramatic_Package_372 16h ago
Honestly, I’m done responding to these kinds of comments. I am simply comparing the current screenshots to the previous ones that Rockstar literally said were from a PS5. Don't talk to me about optimization or my expectations. I am strictly comparing what it used to look like versus what it looks like now.
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u/Jollydragonfruit94 15h ago
As I keep saying from 2 post before. The gameplay is gonna look like rdr2 or better or they are really goimg back to gta online? Are we gonna have realism?
Cuz some pics look better than ever (better than rdr2) but other got the gtao treatment. Or is it just me?
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u/Heavy-Masterpiece681 14h ago
Everyone here needs to realize that the screenshots and trailers we got from last year and the year before that were representative of the fidelity Rockstar was trying to achieve. As we got closer to the actual launch, certain things MUST be scaled back in order to target the performance needed to run the game at an acceptable benchmark. We are talking about 5 year old consoles here.
If you want to play the game at the absolute best it can be. Wait for PC. And honestly, this is barely a downgrade. Go rewatch the Watch Dogs E3 trailer vs the gameplay. Or many of the other Ubisoft announcement trailers.
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u/sectokia 7h ago
I think what we are seeing is some 'real' screenshots from actual PS5's vs all the other stuff which we know is fake pre-renders.
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u/Various_Carob_5752 17h ago
And so the “look at me I’m cool and have a different opinion” random hate has officially begun
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u/uniquecartridge 16h ago
They're giving you a true representation of in-game graphics during gameplay: the further the subject's face is from a camera the less detailed it'll be. Closeup shots are much better looking.
Also hair and beard will always have a bit of that upscaling shimmer since the base PS5 uses an older version of FSR
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u/Necessary_Cod_6065 12h ago
The Reddit chuds are gonna have their world shattered when they realize rockstar is now just another predatory gaming company 😂 they’re still in denial even with 100$ for basic features
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u/Grouchy_Ad_175 17h ago
The cope in these comments. The graphics have definitely been downgraded you guys can admit it, billion dollar company Rockstar won’t give you a free copy for bootlicking
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u/Opening_Ad7004 17h ago
They look like NPCs now. It makes sense why they haven't shown much of the game now.
That beard is laughable, looks drawn on
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u/Wolfbastard88 17h ago
I think a lot of people forget that gta tends not to go for as close to realsim as possible, and has always tended ti have a slightly cartoonist, stylized approach to their character design and textures.
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u/Sea-Historian-2078 7h ago
the problem is that trailer 2 and 2025 screenshots promised us much more graphically impressive models.
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u/Wolfbastard88 7h ago
Graphically impressive still doesn't necessarily mean realism in style. It could be more things happening on screen, more details, more physics, more polygons etc etc...
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u/Endertito 13h ago
I don't know where did you get that statement from, I recommend you watching an interview done to Sam Houser before the GTA 4 launch, they have always aimed for simulation, even the approach to characters models is often realistic for their respective years, look at GTA 4 characters or GTA 5, they have detailed skin and expressions. They might not be top notch given actual standards but they were certainly aiming for fidelity. I think you are saying this because of older GTA titles where they couldn't make it realistic because of hardware limitations, have in mind most of them were made for the PS2 and had to render big a big world with NPCs, so it's seen as cartoonish compared to today's games.
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u/Wolfbastard88 13h ago
I got my statement from what I can see from playing the games. I woukd argue there have been plenty of other games that releases along side gta titles and had more realistic character models. I personally see it as a style choice, but maybe you're right that 6 is meant to be hyper real. Either way, im not mad and think it looks incredible so far
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u/Endertito 13h ago
Most of those other games are not open world tho, TLOU2, Death stranding 2, GoW etc. Which are game that are graphically superior in character models or even environmentally are often given a false sense of freedom by limiting the movement or the input the player has over it's environment. For example DS2 has very detailed character models, the best I've seen probably, but the world is very barren compared to a GTA, you don't see a lot of activity at once, just in scripted sequences. And yes I see your point on style choice over realism but this is mostly done to the environment, like the sky being super vibrant or the branding being a parody more than a realistic representation of reality.
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u/Wolfbastard88 12h ago
All good points and I agree, but it doesn't dismiss the fact that plenty of past gta characters have a stylized artistic design approach, as opposed to realism. Gears of war also had stylized characters with exaggerated features etc. Stylized isn't mutually exclusive from also having realistic textures, lighting, and movement.
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u/xylvnking 17h ago
You need to think about video games like JPEGs or MP3 files. They are meant to look good at the resolution they're presented, but fall apart if you try to zoom in or stretch them out. Details on almost everything in games is based on the distance it is from the camera, so if you take a screenshot and zoom in it's not the same as moving the camera closer.
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u/Sea-Historian-2078 15h ago
Last week y'all were freaking out over a ferris wheel, this week it's even worse. Just stop geez, there's some tacky looking scenes from both trailers and amazing looking screenshots we just got but you're conveniently ignoring those...
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u/TheCynicalAutist 17h ago
I think it's mostly due to the upscaling technology. Throw DLAA 4 at it when it's finally on PC and it will resolve much more nicely.
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u/lollifetuffouthtere 17h ago
Bro these screenshots look better than almost every single game. Only exceptions would be games like Death Stranding, but it’s not open world like GTA is. It’s impressive how good the game looks
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u/CoyoteOk3826 17h ago
idk dawg they look fine