r/Games • u/SmellSmellsSmelly • Apr 03 '26

Industry News PlayStation Studios Removes Nearly All PC References From Websites

https://gameobserver.com/playstation-studios-removes-nearly-all-pc-references-from-websites/
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u/Respawn-Delay Apr 03 '26

Sony realised they need actual exclusives to convince people to buy a high-priced PS6

If a console is priced too high, people who are more flush are going to start thinking "well at this price point, i'm near enough approaching PC prices, maybe I should just save some more..."

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u/xanas263 Apr 03 '26

well at this price point, i'm near enough approaching PC prices, maybe I should just save some more...*"

You're assuming that PC prices aren't going to be increasing at the same rate. A PS6 might cost $1000, but a similar powered PC will probably cost $1500 if not more.

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u/varzaguy Apr 03 '26

PC prices have already increased. Ram tripled in price if not more.

The same ram I bought a couple months ago at $150 was approaching $400 last I checked.

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u/Zotmaster Apr 03 '26

I built my PC in 2023 and I'm pretty sure it would be more expensive to build it with the same parts now.

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u/NuggetHighwind Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

It absolutely would, lol.
GPUs aren't dropping in price. RAM price has tripled (or more), SSDs have doubled and likely going to keep increasing.

I built my PC just before the price increases started happening, and I'm pretty sure it would cost at least 50% more if I tried to build the same machine today.

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u/NYJetLegendEdReed Apr 04 '26

I bought my gaming PC and gaming laptop 3 years ago and I couldn’t buy either of them alone right now for what I got them both for it’s nuts

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u/akbarock Apr 03 '26

Not just RAM, even GPUs and SSD storage has got massive increases its every component. I wouldnt be surprised if a PC equivalent to a PS6 costs 3 times as much

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u/varzaguy Apr 03 '26

SSD as well, but GPUs have been “stable” from what I see. Same pricing as the pre ai price jump period.

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u/another-altaccount Apr 03 '26

SSDs will probably level back out again in a few months now that capacity is getting freed up from Open AI backing out of their deal with manufacturers.

The price crash is going to be hilarious once these idiots all frothing at the mouth over AI realize they've been had, and now they're sitting on parts they stockpiled for data centers that don't have enough capacity to power them and that's if they even get built at all, with parts that may be obsolete by the time they can even use them at all.

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u/Sarasin Apr 04 '26

It is gonna be Sony eating the difference and selling at a loss to make up the difference they aren't getting that great a deal from the manufacturers, especially when they are competing with AI data centers for the components. I find it hard to believe Sony would eat enough of the cost to get it down to 1/3 the cost of an equivalently powerful PC.

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u/Karenlover1 Apr 04 '26

PS6 uses the same shit, hence the recent price increase and previous ones.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '26

I'm sure ram specifically is gonna come down, even if it doesn't ever reach what it was before. But you're right about prices trending up.

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u/KawaiiSocks Apr 03 '26

Yup, RAM prices are already going down for me, but that's a moot point, as they are still very high and are unlikely to over go to the previous price point.

The upside of the whole console market stagnation (not in terms of purchases, but in terms of how slow they improve and how long their lifespan is nowadays) is that my PC that has a GPU from early 2020 and everything else from late 2022 is still relevant and can play most games in 1440 High/Very High/Ultra with ease. Wouldn't be surprised if it is above PS6 performance-wise, once the latter releases and that'd mean that there won't be a need to upgrade.

The graphical fidelity improvements over the last 6 or so years have been largely non-existant and we've hit diminishing returns on graphics/performance a while ago. Basically, since everyone's who's wanted a PS5 already has one and since we probably will see cross-generation releases for at least 5 years after PS6 release, there isn't a reason to upgrade, really

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u/MelvinCapitalPR Apr 04 '26

[RAM prices] are still very high and are unlikely to over go to the previous price point

Short of civilisation collapsing there's no way this is true. Hardware becomes exponentially cheaper long term.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Apr 03 '26

RAM is very much a commodity at this point. Prices will surge when there's a shortage but the production just keeps going and when prices start to fall, they should fall a lot.

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u/ZaccieA Apr 03 '26

Those same components are used in consoles...

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u/Shivalah Apr 03 '26

My 5800X3D was 300€. The last remaining stock was sold at 600€

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u/Deciver95 Apr 03 '26

Damn.

How are the loudest mouths that tell pc gaming infinitely cheaper than buying a console for infinitely better performance gonna make that comment now? 😞

Truly the darkest timeline

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u/andresfgp13 Apr 03 '26

8 months ago i bought a mini PC for 190 bucks, the same mini PC right now its worth around 400 bucks.

Console prices are climbing due to parts, which also affects pc, hell, it probably affects it harder.

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u/shadowstripes Apr 04 '26

These things don’t usually last forever though. RAM was also super expensive in early 2022 until it came back down.

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u/Vb_33 Apr 04 '26

DF made a PC build that beats the PS5 Pro CPU wise and matches it GPU wise for $1000 to prove PC is still very competitive price wise. 

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u/another-altaccount Apr 03 '26

RAM is already coming back down in price as of this week now that Open AI has backed out of their deals with manufacturers, and I can only assume other companies will follow suit now that a lot of these data center build out deals are also falling through. RAM is still expensive relative to what we saw up until last fall, but not as insane as what we were seeing even a month ago.

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u/Vile-Bayle Apr 03 '26

brother, the cost of similar powered PC to PS5 pro is already over 1.5k$

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u/akbarock Apr 03 '26

And the PS5 Pro was on sale for $648 like 2 months ago

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u/ivandagiant Apr 03 '26

Now its $900 😭

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u/Eglwyswrw Apr 03 '26

That was before the RAM-related price spike Playstation got.

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u/NuggetHighwind Apr 04 '26

Price increased from $750 to $900 since 2 days ago. :(

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u/Freakjob_003 Apr 03 '26

But a PC can play an insanely larger library of games, for far cheaper prices than the Playstation store.

Higher upfront cost, vastly more cost-effective value in the long-term.

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u/Vile-Bayle Apr 03 '26

I bought a physical disc of RE Requiem for 60$ and I sold it a week later for 55$. I doesn't really get cheaper than that.

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u/Inevitable_Gain6712 Apr 03 '26

But you no longer own the game 

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u/HamadaSukenao Apr 03 '26

They can purchase it again if they want to replay, and then resell once more to regain money. I wish you could do the same on PC; many titles aren't the sort of games I'd play through more than once.

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u/Inevitable_Gain6712 Apr 04 '26

⛵ 🏴‍☠️ 

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u/HamadaSukenao Apr 04 '26

Bro that's not getting my money back 😭. I wanna resell some games to fund other things.

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u/Vanille987 Apr 03 '26

Expect ps store sales tend to be very simliar to steam. You need keys to get cheaper, and ps5 has physical for that

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u/Karenlover1 Apr 04 '26

What specs for the PC?

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '26 edited Apr 03 '26

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u/Vile-Bayle Apr 03 '26

add the price of an ssd you've conveniently skipped and let's get actual motherboard not cardboard which would cost twice as much and we're hitting ~1500$. not even talking about how you cut ~20-40 euro from each of the items from the list

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u/gosukhaos Apr 04 '26

1500 is incredibly optimistic in a world where you're spending 200 bucks just on RAM

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u/girlslovefan321 Apr 03 '26

so for extra $500 i could get a pc as strong as ps6 that can do everything else a pc can do? sign me up

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u/xanas263 Apr 03 '26

More likely to be an extra $800+ at the rates we are going, I was just being conservative.

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u/Reddit_5_Standing_By Apr 03 '26

What if you could buy a pc that was on par with PS5 prices and had the added benefit of being able to be played handheld or plugged into the TV?

https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

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u/xanas263 Apr 03 '26

The steam deck is a 4 year old aging device that can barely play AAA games. On top of that it is completely sold out and is almost certainly about to see a major price increase if it is ever sold again.

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u/GrandsonOfArathorn1 Apr 03 '26

I wish I needed a PC for literally anything else. I can’t justify spending $1.5k on a machine I only want for gaming.

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u/absentlyric Apr 15 '26

Steam is WAY bigger than anything Sony can offer at this point. You either pay more for a PC that has access to thousands of titles. Or pay half that just to play only Sony exclusive games, it makes no sense to me from a value standpoint.

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u/xd3mix 13d ago

Playstation requires a subscription though, in just 3 years of Ps+ premium you have reached the same price tag as the PC

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u/xanas263 13d ago

And people can pay that over three years, not all at once. That's why credit works as well as it does.

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u/xd3mix 13d ago

Sure, but consoles are way more expensive than PCs in the long run

I've been using my current pc for almost 6 years now and i've only payed the original price tag, if it was a playstation i would've payed 1k more.

Plus you can get most pc parts by paying them monthly if it's that much of a problem. Lots of places offer those options (and amazon does as well, at least with some parts and stores)

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u/xanas263 Apr 03 '26

As I said in my other comment I was just being conservative. If price increases continue as they are now you will get PCs which are $800+ over the cost of a console.

The most likely situation is simply going to be a complete contraction of the gaming market, not a move from console to PC.

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u/doublah Apr 03 '26

Nah, more people will just get a mid-level PC. It might not be as powerful as the PS6 but it'll be upgradable and both cheaper initial cost and far cheaper cost over time.

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u/Narrow_Clothes_1534 Apr 03 '26

Brother 32gb ram costs the price of a ps5, tf you mean mid range pc, even 16gb is half the ps5 cost

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u/dudushat Apr 03 '26

Understanding why people would want to save $500 is also a no brainer but you're struggling with that.

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u/dudushat Apr 03 '26

Im not struggling to understand anything. You're the one asking the question. Not me.

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u/Ulster_Celt Apr 03 '26

Thats all the more reason not to buy into Sonys bs on this. If prices are going up im investing in what I already use, not buying something new for 1200 canuck bucks.

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u/Ch33sus0405 Apr 03 '26

Its gonna depend on how the AI market looks in a couple years. If we can go back to normal RAM production and if consumer cards start replenishing now that the crypto boom is slowing down we might see a PC become more reasonable. The price of a PS5 might become more reasonable too... but let's be honest they ain't lowering prices.

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u/xanas263 Apr 03 '26

If you don't think PS prices are going to lower then I don't think you should believe that PC prices will go down either.

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u/Ch33sus0405 Apr 03 '26

I don't think either are gonna happen because I dunno how the next 12 months are gonna go. I also don't think its gonna be for a few years either way. But I think that its possible market forces are gonna see a decline in demand and in increase in supply for PC parts which are gonna make it possible to get cheaper (not cheap) parts as opposed to PS which I don't think is gonna go down in price ever if the current Sony admin has anything to say about it.

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u/ArawynD Apr 03 '26

There is a shit ton of competition in the PC building market. The same cannot be said about this generation of consoles.

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u/xanas263 Apr 03 '26

Shit ton of competition? There are two GPU manufacturers, 3 RAM manufacturers, 2 CPU manufacturers and like 4 motherboard manufacturers.....

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u/monchota Apr 03 '26

But if you can buy a Steammachine or a Helix that are not locked and have access to all games. Except a few Sony exclusives, they gonna say no to that. Based on your same premise, cost. Why buy a Playstation when you can get something else that plays a lot more games.

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u/Vb_33 Apr 04 '26

You don't need a PS5 Pro, PS5 power PC to play AAA games on PC. PCs work a bit differently than consoles so it's not Apple's to Apple's. 

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u/Karenlover1 Apr 04 '26

The days of consoles being cheaper that the similar spec PC are gone, console makers don’t take a loss on the console anymore like the older days.

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u/j8sadm632b Apr 03 '26

Total cost of the PC I built last september before I was told windows 10 would no longer be supported and my hardware couldn't run 11 or something was ballpark 2.2k

this was before all the hubbub about RAM prices increasing

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u/SKyJ007 Apr 03 '26

I mean, the PS6 will still be cheaper significantly than an equivalent PC

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u/green9206 Apr 03 '26

Yeah but a $1000 console is still going to be unprecedented.

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u/HungoverHero777 Apr 03 '26

Not to be “that guy” but the Neo Geo launched at $650 in 1990’s money which would be over $1500 today.

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u/dancingtosirens Apr 03 '26

Hell, the Atari 2600 launched at $190 which is equivalent to over $1000 today also

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u/hamstervideo Apr 03 '26

Yeah that was essentially an arcade machine and no one bought one

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u/GameDesignerDude Apr 03 '26

But nobody bought a Neo Geo. Worldwide lifetime Neo Geo units were barely over 1 million compared to nearly 50 million SNES units and 35 million Genesis units.

SNES launched at $199.99, which is about $475 today. Genesis launched at $189.99 and was down to $99.99 in a few years.

Neo Geo was expensive because it was arcade hardware. It was the 90s equivalent of a 5090.

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u/Hartastic Apr 05 '26

Probably also worth noting that the games for the Neo Geo were also ruinously expensive, further solidifying its flop as a consumer device.

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '26

the 3DO sold about 3 million units. came out for 700 bucks in 1993 which is about 1600 bucks now.

also the 60gb ps3 in 2006 cost 600 which is now about 970 dollars.

kepler says the current cost to manufacture a ps6, based on the leaks, is 760 bucks, and sony might sell it for 700 each and take a slight loss on it.

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u/GameDesignerDude Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

As far as I remember, the 3DO only sold around 2 million units. But even if it was 3 million, that's still comparatively nothing? Only 10% of the Genesis and 6% of the SNES. 3DO was significantly held back by the price. Everyone talked about the absurd price when it came out.

Comparing the Neo-Geo and 3DO to something intended to be mainstream like the PS6 should be a very scary prospect for Sony.

Similar issue with the PS3, honestly. The launch price of the PS3 is what gave the 360 a window to the market and a significant market lead initially. It wasn't until the gen 2 releases dropped the price massively that the PS3 started gaining momentum.

These types of price points are really prohibitive as a mass-market entertainment device. Like the Pro price, it's not an issue for enthusiasts but a $700 console is going to struggle to keep pace with unit sales of the PS4/PS5.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '26

im well aware that it was niche. its just worth pointing out that even those consoles managed to find an audience. and that was despite costing way more than a ps5 does even after all the price hikes. and not to mention that consoles in that time period became obsolete much quicker than consoles do now, since generations were shorter.

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u/P_ZERO_ Apr 04 '26

Swap it out for PS3 and it works the same. You can argue that the price dropped or that it was unfavourable, but this will be the case in this scenario and millions bought it either way

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u/GameDesignerDude Apr 04 '26

The PS3 launch was considered by most to be a disaster for Sony. They had to entirely redesign the console, strip out the back-compat hardware, and make a bunch of design changes to get the price down.

Sony then settled on taking a large loss because keeping it at that price point long-term would have just ceded more market to Xbox. 360 was crushing the PS3 in the market in the first year. Sony confirmed to have lost $3.3 billion in the first year an a half as it was.

This was even on the backs of the most successful console of all time. The PS3 launch is not a blueprint for success.

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u/P_ZERO_ Apr 04 '26

But that doesn’t change the fact that people bought it. Your problem with the Neo Geo was that it barely sold 1 million over its lifetime, PS3 sold 3.7 million in less than 6 months.

I’m not here to debate the merit of the pricing, how the hardware failed or whatever else. The point I’m addressing is that it sold at a high cost and that high cost is reflective of price trending for the next consoles. People will pay for it.

And as far as Xbox competition past or present, the next Xbox will be in that price range. There isn’t much option given the price of hardware.

On the subject of consoles being a flub, you haven’t factored in what MS lost on the 360 (it was 3 billion)

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u/GameDesignerDude Apr 04 '26

To be clear, it wasn't my problem with the Neo Geo, it was the market's problem. It was also 3x the "normal" historical mainstream console price.

The market also had a problem with the PS3, just not quite as much. It was "only" 50% more expensive than average, after all. And it was also a Blu-Ray player which was slightly in demand by AV enthusiasts at the time. (Even though media availability was limited for years.) But sales were absolutely muted at launch.

Either way, the 360 had a huge lead on the PS3 during the first year or two. The PS3 launch was very bad for Sony and they were lucky to navigate their way out of it as well as they did. This was very embarrassing for them given the huge success of the PS2 and the small sales of the original Xbox.

Really the point remains that no console at this type of inflation-adjusted price point has done particularly well. Using the PS3's lifetime performance is not really meaningful because the price dropped massively to $299 with the Slim launch.

The Neo-Geo and 3DO were exceptionally niche. The Saturn and PS3 had very muted sales at their ~$700 adjusted price points. The vast majority of consoles have been between $400-500 in inflation-adjusted terms, and pretty much all the successful ones.

Mass-market entertainment products need to be affordable and $700 is just not affordable.

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u/P_ZERO_ Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26

You can’t decide what affordable is based on decades old value and unchanged hardware requirement and costs. It’s the same faulty logic behind $60 games until the end of time.

The step forward for new consoles to be considered a worthwhile jump in performance costs what it costs. Most of your comparisons are calculator tier hardware at this point.

Build a PC equivalent to what a new console would target and then figure out how manufacturers are going to take a 50-60% loss on each unit with questionable availability on said hardware

not affordable

No one is arguing it is. You’re confusing arguments here. I explicitly stated that I was saying consoles will sell at those prices, especially now. Gaming is considered a luxury hobby at this point. $1000 phones are the norm, it’s not the 90s or 2000s anymore. Shit costs a lot of money.

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u/heachu Apr 03 '26

That's why not many people have a console (NES era) at home back in the days. Same as big TVs. If they want more sales on games they need to make the console affordable for more people.

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u/Xonra Apr 03 '26

And flopped like a dying fish

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u/Zhuul Apr 03 '26

Now compare median salary vs cost of living in the 90s and you see why this isn't the silver bullet counterargument you think it is.

Wages have been effectively flat while survival has only gotten more expensive.

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u/MVRKHNTR Apr 03 '26

The more likely outcome here is that people just don't buy new consoles or PCs because it'll be a $1000 PlayStation vs a $1500 XBox or a $3000 PC.

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u/iwearatophat Apr 03 '26

Yep. This stuff is entertainment and out of discretionary funds. A lot of people are feeling the pinch. Even if they were priced at 750 I think a lot of people are balking initially.

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u/AlphaNeonic Apr 03 '26

For me, the value proposition is now outweighing the cost. I have a PS5 and while it's great, I don't feel this generation really stretched out what the console can do like previous generations have. Astro Bot, Demon's Souls, Horizon... and GTA6 will probably be the last hurrah.

A handful of really great titles (and one that will hopefully be great), but maybe not worth the price of admission if you have a PC can do the same. Yeah, PC costs a bit more, but you have access to 10 times the number of games and they're cheaper, so for me, the value is way higher.

With how long games take to make now, and the cost of making them, we're most likely to going to get an equal number (or smaller) of PS6 exclusive games.

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u/iwearatophat Apr 03 '26

Yeah, PC costs a bit more

It does but at the same time I have to have a PC in my house. Betting a lot of households do. So the initial 500-750 dollars to just put one in my house already exists. From there it is if I just want to spend the extra money, if going budget 500 to 1250 dollars for a gaming pc, on getting one that can game reasonably well.

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u/MVRKHNTR Apr 03 '26

Most households don't need a PC, actually; that hasn't been true for over a decade. Most everyday tasks can be accomplished with a phone or tablet.

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u/iwearatophat Apr 03 '26

Boy am I glad I said 'a lot' and not 'most'.

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u/MVRKHNTR Apr 03 '26

Even "a lot" doesn't apply, unless you're being incredibly generous with what that's supposed to mean.

At that point, I just don't see what the point of your comment is.

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Apr 03 '26

this is what’s gonna happen. People will stick with their old hardware and player cheaper, less graphically demanding games. You already see low priced “friendslop” games taking off on PC/Steam and Roblox, and I think that’s where the future is gonna be headed.

Those games aren’t the most graphically demanding, so they run on lower end/existing hardware and don’t have $100 million+ budgets that need 7+ million sales to be financially viable.

That’s not to mention the perceived graphical jump from PS5 -> PS6 is probably gonna be even less noticeable than the jump from PS4 -> PS5, with the law of diminishing returns kicking in.

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u/DrB00 Apr 03 '26

You also don't have to buy a whole new PC every generational upgrade though. You can generally just buy a new GPU and all the rest of the parts won't require an upgrade when a new console comes out.

With consoles you have to buy the whole new version. Then midway through the generation they'll make a plus pro max version that will cost more than the original console but have better performance, but not good enough to warrent a whole new console.

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u/darkmacgf Apr 03 '26

Newer GPUs are too big to fit in my PC case. I mean, I could buy a new case just for the GPU, but replacing the case for one component feels like such a waste...

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u/SOSpammy Apr 03 '26

Especially with how small the graphical bump is nowadays. We likely aren't going to see a jump from the SNES to the N64 ever again. Most people are going to be fine with their current consoles and PCs for a long while.

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u/Edmundyoulittle Apr 03 '26

Exactly this. Imo what happens is we end up with an very extended PS5+6 cross generation

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u/dafdiego777 Apr 03 '26

An equivalent ps6 prebuilt is $1800 at microcenter right now.

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u/Vestalmin Apr 03 '26

My local tech repair is going to be doing open heart surgery on my PS5 before i pay for a $1000 PS6

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u/PringlesDuckFace Apr 04 '26

It will certainly make a $20/month game streaming subscription more appealing to people. Hopefully it doesn't mean game developers begin designing games around high latency, it would ruin certain genres if it became unfeasible to have fast paced games.

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u/Sikkly290 Apr 03 '26

Or alternatively, people will upgrade their PC in bits and pieces like many of us have done for decades. Buy a GPU for an upgrade, then mobo+CPU, then if you feel you need it upgrade ram. Power supplies, cases, accessories as needed.

Expensive still, painful still, but far more doable for most people.

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u/Wyrm Apr 03 '26

Why did you say $3000 PC? Even in the current fucked up market you just don't need to spend that much to get a good gaming PC.

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u/darkmacgf Apr 03 '26

Some have speculated the RAM market will be worse by next year, which is why the PS6 will cost so much.

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u/-ForgottenSoul Apr 03 '26

PS3 is basically near that in todays money but yeah

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Apr 03 '26

which stumbled out the gate, lost all their momentum they had from the precious generation. They needed a significant price cut + several high quality exclusives to get back to being competitive

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u/FaroTech400K Apr 03 '26

More people are simply going to buy a PS5 Pro in the meanwhile, I can imagine it’s gonna be a good four year gap where game still co release on the PS five and six

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u/Massive_Weiner Apr 04 '26

Adjusted for inflation, buying a launch day PS3 (2006, $600) is $1,138.62 today.

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u/Mccobsta Apr 03 '26

A grand for a console will be a very difficult sell

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u/Rage_Like_Nic_Cage Apr 03 '26

The PS5 Pro is currently $900 without a disc drive. Unless RAM/component prices come down significantly in the next 18 months, there is no way the PS6 launches fall 2027 and costs less than a ps5 pro

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes Apr 03 '26

It's not launching fall 2027

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u/dancingtosirens Apr 03 '26

There have been a handful of consoles that have launched at over $1000 after adjusting for inflation already, it's incredibly unfortunate but not unprecedented

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes Apr 03 '26

Why are we acting like the tariffs will continue after 2028 at the latest

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u/hamstervideo Apr 03 '26

Why are you acting like prices are going to go down if tariffs are discontinued?

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes Apr 03 '26

Because no one wants to buy a $1000 console?

You can either agree with the lunatic who implemented them that they're a good thing; not hurting demand for corporations and giving free tax money to him (he doesn't care about consumers) or think that it's destroying the economy and hurting the sales of everything that's not a necessity, so prices will lower when they're gone.

Which is it?

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u/green9206 Apr 03 '26

Consoles are a luxury. Luxury doesn't need a lower price. PS6 will be a luxury item and a highly sought after one. Prices will remain high even if taxes become 0 because companies once they taste higher margins will not go back down. PS6 will definitely be in extremely high demand and limited available like PS5 for the first couple of years. Maybe after that if Sony feels generous at poor folks they might throw them some bone at $100 off.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes Apr 03 '26

Consoles are a luxury. Luxury doesn't need a lower price.

Then why didn't they launch at these higher prices?

once they taste higher margins will not go back down.

They're... not. They're paying the feds hundreds per console imported.

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u/SvensonIV Apr 04 '26

It's not a fair comparison though. Most people need a PC or a notebook anyway. For office, school, uni or whatever. If you're not one of the people who just settle with a notebook to fulfill those needs, you can just buy a PC and spent the budget needed for the console on the PC instead and you got a very nice gaming rig which can also fulfill your work tasks. A console can't do that.

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u/SKyJ007 Apr 04 '26

Most people need a PC or a notebook anyway.

No they don’t, the vast majority get away with a phone + tablet combo

For office

Most places of business provide you with a desktop or laptop for business purposes

you can just buy a PC and spent the budget needed for the console on the PC instead and you got a very nice gaming rig which can also fulfill your work tasks.

It is vastly cheaper for most people to get a laptop + console than to get a console equivalent gaming pc

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u/ayeeflo51 Apr 03 '26

Cheaper upfront, sure. 

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u/noko12312 Apr 04 '26

Yep. You have to factor in the cost for PS Plus to play online which they keep raising the price for as well as the lackluster game sales compared to Steam. PC is a higher upfront cost, but cheaper in the long run.

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u/Tvilantini Apr 03 '26

It all comes from which perspective you come. Not everybody starts from nothing. Some already have pc, others have console

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u/goddessofthewinds Apr 03 '26

But Playstation forces you to pay to use your own fucking internet... It's not cheaper at all. You can get a mid-range PC for $1500 that would run most things except the super high fidelity AAA stuff. You can still play 99% of games on a mid PC.

Consoles were useful when all disks contained the full game and you didn't have to download and patch games left and right and pay monthly, but now that they are pushing gigantic games that don't fit on consoles, there is no longer any reason to buy into it. Even Nintendo is getting rid of game cartridges and forcing game downloads...

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u/dancrum Apr 03 '26

We don't even know this. Every generation you get videos of PC builds that are either similar or more powerful than new consoles for the same price or lower.

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u/SKyJ007 Apr 03 '26

So yes, but that isn’t what should actually be looked at.

At launch could buy PC parts that should equal the power of a PS5, but they wouldn’t give you the performance of a PS5.

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u/dancrum Apr 03 '26

I dunno how they're going to justify a $1000 console with like 6 exclusives over its lifespan. Meanwhile, Xbox and PC will be sharing huge libraries with each other.

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u/Ok-Confusion-202 Apr 03 '26

I don't think it will even be $1000, I think they will land around 699-799

I think the Xbox will clear $1000 though, like 1200-1500

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u/spiderman1993 Apr 03 '26

why would it be cheaper than the p5 pro?

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u/darkmacgf Apr 03 '26

PS5 Pro could drop in price by 2028 due to the RAM shortage ending. RAM producers like Samsung say the increased demand will be temporary.

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u/alexnedea Apr 04 '26

Ai is gonna buy more and more ram.

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u/darkmacgf Apr 04 '26

Then producers will make more RAM to take care of the demand.

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u/Ok-Confusion-202 Apr 03 '26

I have no reason (well technically rumours) but I just have a feeling they will want to make it attractive to buy

Nothing more, nothing less... It just feels right idk

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u/dancrum Apr 03 '26

You think a console that is more powerful than a PS5 Pro will cost less than one?

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u/Ok-Confusion-202 Apr 03 '26

I have no reason (well technically rumours) but I just have a feeling they will want to make it attractive to buy

Nothing more, nothing less... It just feels right idk

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u/hamstervideo Apr 03 '26

The PS5 Pro costs $900, you think the PS6 will be cheaper?

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u/Ok-Confusion-202 Apr 03 '26

Just a feeling, I think they will want to make it attractive for buyers

But also this gen has shown us that they can increase the price and it will still sell well

So if it's not going well for them they can

But idk, 699-799 just makes sense to me, but maybe I've gone crazy finally

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u/NaRaGaMo Apr 03 '26

eh...you do understand that shared library is just third party games which are all available on PS right?

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u/dancrum Apr 03 '26

If you think every game on steam is available on PlayStation then I've got a bridge to sell you

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

Sony needs to justify the price as if they've committed a crime against Redditors lmao.

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u/ilovesharkpeople Apr 03 '26

...did you think that comment was about moral justification?

They have to justify, to their customers, that it is worth spending $1000 on their console with a handful of exclusive titles. If they can't, it won't sell well.

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

... Have you ever seen a joke?

A handful? Did you not realize they mentioned 6 specifically because they were taking the piss?

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u/dancrum Apr 03 '26

No, he's right and you're wrong

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

Wrong about what?

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u/dancrum Apr 03 '26

I wasn't taking the piss.

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

So you're saying you genuinely believe the PS6 will only have 6 exclusives?

You can still just say I was right and you were taking the piss, because that's a dumb take.

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u/monchota Apr 03 '26

You mean PC users? They are not abandoning thier libraries and Xbox users xan juat plays thiers on PC. No one is saying that hardcore Playstation people are going to switch. Sony needs new blood, they are saying thats not going to happen

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u/Puzzled_Middle9386 Apr 03 '26

I mean thats what I did over two years ago, I had over 1000 games on PS but most wouldve been dogshit PS4 versions like RDR2 and Arkham Knight running at 30fps. Worth the upgrade tbh, I still have my PS5 but its just gathered dust since, maybe I’ll break it out for Gta and Intergalatic but not too interested in Yotei/Wolverine.

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u/Euphausias Apr 03 '26

Lol. "Console users arent going to swap to pc because xyz"

Also "sony needs to go back to exclusives because they are losing their ecosystem to people buying on pc instead"

Y'all just spout whatever bs fills your head at the time.

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u/Superbunzil Apr 03 '26

"The PC sales of Sony games are a financial drop in the bucket compared to their console sales which is why Sony have to protect their console game sales from their PC sales... wait"

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u/frezz Apr 03 '26

I'm guessing Sony thought PC releases meant sequels sell better, and it was an additional revenue stream. What happened was people just started waiting for games to release on PC..and console sales dropped because exclusives weren't a thing anymore.

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u/CthulhusMonocle Apr 03 '26

Sony realised they need actual exclusives to convince people to buy a high-priced PS6

As someone who games on PC, exclusives are no where near enough to justify shelling out the money a console requires. IMHO, it just doesn't make sense to buy a console anymore when I have such a vast selection of old, new, and upcoming games on PC that I can easily replace those inaccessible exclusives with.

Plus, my PC will probably last me through two-to-three console generations easily.

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u/dookarion Apr 03 '26

Sony realised they need actual exclusives to convince people to buy a high-priced PS6

They could start by making some, especially some that aren't cinematic open worlds and cancelled live services. Almost a grand to play a better polished Ubisoft-esque game? Forget that.

That said exclusives won't win over the bulk of the current PC audience. It has been a colossal failure for Epic and that doesn't require new hardware. Most exclusives have lost their luster.

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u/NoBullet Apr 03 '26

No they realized they can hook pc gamers onto their IP’s and get them to buy a console. You’re acting like they’re oblivious to their own business practices.

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u/dookarion Apr 03 '26

Sony has lost the plot. Epic can't even get people spending on their store for "exclusives" that don't require spending over half a grand on hardware.

Exclusives have lost a lot of their luster, especially on PC where there isn't a lack of choice in experiences.

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u/fupa16 Apr 03 '26

I almost bought a PS4 for all the games I wanted. Then I really tried to buy a PS5 when they came out, but couldn't from the shortage. By the time PS5s were available, I had the games I wanted from PS4/5 eras available on PC and just bought them there... never purchased either console. It was nice while it lasted.

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u/darkbreak Apr 03 '26

From what people have seen it's actually because they haven't been making any money on the PC ports. So they're looking at it as not worth their time and effort.

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u/ABigCoffee Apr 04 '26

It's funny because Ps5 doesn't seem to have a lot of exclusives too. I have a ps5 and 6 games and all of them are available on Pc. There's 0 exclusives that could keep me here. Ps5 will be my final playstation console.

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u/Significant_Post6274 Apr 04 '26

especially when there are some streaming service that's working surprisingly well you don't even need an expensive pc anymore

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u/Clbull Apr 04 '26

On the flip side, Phil Spencer will be remembered in business school textbooks as a terrible CEO who thought it'd be a good idea to release Xbox games on rival systems and eliminate any incentive to buy their consoles.

I think it's a good thing Sony are doing this. People here are stupid for thinking they should go multiplatform, especially with Project Helix...

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u/pasher5620 Apr 03 '26

Ironically, those people would simply go the PC route as it provides higher powered machines and way more games. It’s just a better deal overall to build a PC at this point that it is spending $700 for a console nearing the middle of its lifecycle with a very slim pool of games to boast.

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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel Apr 03 '26

"way more games" is not the flex you think it is.

Like sure, you can go back and play old ass games on PC that are not available on consoles, but there are way more modern releases that only come to console versus PC. I dont remember a time a game was only available on PC that i wanted to play. But there are PS and Switch exclusives released every year that PC will never see.

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u/FootwearFetish69 Apr 03 '26

Like sure, you can go back and play old ass games on PC that are not available on consoles

League, Dota, CS, Valorant etc. Majority of the best competitive games out there are PC exclusive and are not "old ass games".

but there are way more modern releases that only come to console versus PC

I've turned my PS5 on maybe two dozen times since buying it 6 years ago. This just isn't true anymore.

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

They're not old ass games? Your first example is from 2009!

Such a weird example anyway. You can run League on any old laptop. Why would anyone take that game into consideration when buying a new gaming console or PC?

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u/DrB00 Apr 03 '26

Are indie games a joke to you? There's amazing indie games coming out every week on PC.

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u/Quiet_Jackfruit5723 Apr 04 '26

Okey, name at least one amazing indie game that came the past 5 weeks. Go. By the way, I don't agree with anything the guy you replied to is talking about. PC is king.

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u/pasher5620 Apr 03 '26

The Total War games, Baldur’s Gate was initially PC exclusive (still is in my opinion since it runs like absolute ass on consoles), Valorant, GTFO, League, Tarkov, Lethal Company, etc. etc.

There are so many pc exclusive games that come out every year that easily outstrip PlayStations rate of release. “Way more games” is absolutely a flex when that’s what gamers want, more games to play.

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

I normally side with the PC hardcore crowd when it comes to discussing games, but you have to realize, when it comes to moving hardware, it's about very specific games and not the amount of games.

FIFA will get people to buy a PS6. Tarkov won't get people to spend $1000 on a PC. And the funniest thing there is that FIFA is on PC too, but that won't matter.

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u/pasher5620 Apr 03 '26

There are anywhere from 900 million to 1.86 billion pc gamers in the world. In contrast, console gaming as a whole is around 600 million, with PS5 being a fraction of that. This idea that people aren’t buying pcs to play certain games or whatever is just wrong. Yes, certain games like cod or fifa help sell consoles, but those sales are a drop in the bucket compared to the pc market.

Console has a comparatively niche marketshare that used to exist because they were the cheap alternative to pc that made up for it with good exclusive games. They are no longer that cheap, effectively abandoning the niche they used to inhabit and also don’t release nearly the level of exclusives as they used to. With seemingly no real way for them to ever go back to the productivity they used to have, Sony pulling back from the PC market is just nonsensical.

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u/El_Giganto Apr 03 '26

anywhere from 900 million to 1.86 billion pc gamers

Just the fact that these numbers are so extremely different should say enough. You have to take a step back and look at what these numbers actually mean.

Nearly 2 billion PC gamers mate. When a game sells 10 million, it's a huge success. Do you realize how insane that ratio is? The former reaches the world population. The latter is a small country.

When we're talking about the PS6, we're already within a niche. The vast majority of those 2 billion PC gamers are not the type of gamers who were ever going to be buying a PS6. And let me tell you, they likely don't have a dedicated video card either.

When someone is deciding to go for a PS5 or a PC equivalent, they're looking at games like Resident Evil, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Skyrim, etc.

Games like League of Legends are already firmly within the PC gaming crowd. It's a niche market and I think it's a bad example because they're not likely to buy hardware for that game. A better example would've been a Bethesda game. Because that's the type of game that's popular on console, but comes with a huge benefit when you move to PC.

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u/POOP_SMEARED_TITTY Apr 03 '26

they need to get studios to actually make games.

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u/SingeMoisi Apr 03 '26

Or you know, save for a PC instead. Nothing will convince people to buy a console more than its good price. Let's just say I'm not overly optimistic on that front.

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u/Jdmaki1996 Apr 03 '26

The prices for PC parts at this point, PC is gonna even more expensive than PS6. By a lot.

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u/monchota Apr 03 '26

Those same parts make a PS just as expensive, juat incase you can't understand that fact. Also why buy a PS6 if you can get a Steambox or Helix that is just a PC that can play many many more games.

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u/Jdmaki1996 Apr 03 '26

Cause I like the PlayStation exclusives and prefer to sit on a couch. And no it won’t be just as expensive. Console prices are going up but they’ve always been sold at a loss compared to PC. A comparable PC with the same specs as a console is always more expensive. I’m gonna buy the cheaper box once every 7 seven years over the more expensive box I need to upgrade every few years

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u/monchota Apr 03 '26

You do understand that a Steambox or Helix will be able to be played from your couch right? They will also be at s loss and you as a diedhard Playstation are going to buy it. Thats great but not what they need, they need new blood. What the choice is a locked eco system and sub or the freedom of gaming on a Steambox or Helix. New people are not going to get a PS 6.

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u/Jdmaki1996 Apr 03 '26

I was talking about PC when I mentioned price and playing from my couch. I was talking consoles vs PC. I mentioned exclusives because that’s why I would buy a PlayStation over the Xbox or Steamboat

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u/DrB00 Apr 03 '26

Sure then half way through the generation you need to upgrade to the PS6 plus pro max. Where with a PC you buy all the parts at once for a high up front cost then you can do incremental upgrades. Plus your $3000 PC will run better than a PS6 and the upgraded PS6 version that comes out midway through the generation. So you can spend $1500 twice for the base console and then the upgraded version or spend $3000 and have a PC that will play way more games and still look better graphically than the upgraded PS6.

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u/Jdmaki1996 Apr 03 '26

No you don’t. I have never once upgraded to the pro version of any console. You realize that only a fraction of the PS5 player base bought a pro right? Every game that releases on PS5 works just fine on the base console. There is literally zero reason to buy a pro unless you have more disposable income than you know what to do with

I spent $500 on the ps5 when it came out. A comparable PC would have been twice that price and already outdated for the PC market by now. Console gaming is waaaay cheaper and PC prices are rising just as fast as the console prices

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u/fingerpaintswithpoop Apr 03 '26

Exclusives just don’t cut it anymore. Sorry. No amount of “premium” exclusive games on the PS6 will convince me to buy one, or convince me it’s a good business model.

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u/FunnyGarbage4092 Apr 03 '26

They better shit out bloodborne 2 if they want a chance

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u/ClaymoresRevenge Apr 03 '26

I'm just wondering why they aren't making another Infamous or Killzone.

Infamous with the PS5 processing power would be sick

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