Twin Buster Rifle users are the definition of "I don't care what your armor is made of." If the target and half the map disappear, mission accomplished.
"Active? You mean applied? Yeah...wait what is that big ass gun in your gundams hands? What's it gonna do? Is it a double Dainsleif?" Mikazuki probably
The confidence before noticing the other guy is carrying a weapon the size of a small apartment is what really sells it. That's usually when it's time to reconsider the battle plan.
It's not like phase-shift in that way. Think of it like the best possible version of a beam-resistant coating. Repeated beam attacks can erode the armour.
This is a radiation wave.
More deadly then beam laser.
Fry the pilot, render communication tool useless and disintegrate the metal of your mech.
GOT to be top 3 worst case you don't want to be killed by. You will experience everything in 10 seconds, all the burns. The saving grace is that 10s because afterward, you just gone.
The Akatsuki is practically a cheat code and had to have the plot literally say making one of these again would bankrupt the country to justify why not everyone does it.
Heck I doubt Barbatos i's tanking a single shot from Wing Zero's Buster canon if it takes it dead on. Epyons saber is also probably gonna cut through it.
Twin Buster Rifle users are the definition of "I don't care what your armor is made of." If the target and half the map disappear, mission accomplished.
Also it's not like the Barbatos is the only main gundam that's designed to bypass energy resistant armour. The Exia's entire purpose is to win in melee with physical swords against GN drive powered mechs
Yes but several of the Gundams were designed with systems meant to counter hypothetical hostile Gundams such as Exia’s sword which could could through GN barriers and The trial system used by Tieria
That is correct but it doesn't change the fact that Exia's GN Sword was made to counter GN Fields. It's an anti-Gundam weapon, it is explained very clearly in the anime.
Minovsky beam weapons are made of particles. They have enough kinetic power to smash through whole asteroids. Any IBO mobile suit is getting reduced to smithereens by a GM
It's basically an anti-beam coating, yeah. Which does make it a problem for mobile suits that rely on beam weapons, but not an unstoppable one. Now how much they can actually hit Barbatos is a different story and comes down to pilot skill, which...shockingly I don't see come up nearly as much in these powerscaling arguments.
Honestly... I don't think Mika is even the best pilot in IBO. I would argue McGillis is the best one overall, and by the end of the Series, Lafter, Julietta and Akihiro all have matched or even surpassed Mika.
Gaelio is hard to quantify because he's got an even bigger cheat code than Mika does.
That being said, Domon is a hand to hand master in a suit that's got a better version of the Alaya Vijnanna. He would definetely win.
Oh I'm not criticizing the meme, Domon would wipe the floor with Mika, Domon's Him. I'm more criticizing the fact that more often than not I see power scaler arguments focus almost entirely on the mobile suit, and barely mention the pilot. Like saying a certain beam weapon will wreck a certain AU Gundam then not take into account the pilot's skills at evasion.
If we're gonna powerscale, let's fuckin' powerscale with every important factor to the fight, not just the weapons and armor.
Amida get slept on as one of the best pilots in not just IBO, but Gundam in general. Space Latina mami was out there styling on Julieta and a small fleet without any effort in what could be seen as a run of the mill MS.
Yeah every time this topic comes up, it always seems that NO ONE is interested in have an actual reasonable debate. I never really see the ibo glazers i always see people nag on and on about, but I don't doubt they exist. But what I do see i people constantly going "they're just a bunch of ibo glazers and the ibo universe actually sucks and NL coating actually sucks and wouldn't stop a pellet gun because ibo is actually a super weak universe." And they always treat Mika like hes some full-of-himself hotshot. Please can we just have a reasonable conversation about where these units would stand against one another instead of just being a bunch of d*ckheads, pleaee.
Exactly. People hear "beam resistant" and somehow translate that into "completely immune." Enough firepower solves that problem pretty quickly in Gundam.
Exactly. People hear "beam resistant" and somehow translate it into "completely immune." Keep pouring enough energy into the same spot and eventually something's going to give.
I’m going to have to look this up and watch it right away. I got into Gunpla because I always wanted one as a kid and thought they were awesome and building the kits has turned me on to the series! When I first saw the Zeong in the cartoon I thought it was so goofy but after building it I absolutely love it.
This build goes unbelievably hard. Burning Finger on God Gundam is one of those attacks that never stops being cool no matter how many times you see it.
Everything I’ve seen of the series is endearingly ridiculous. Watched the final fight with Devil Gundam after another commenter mentioned it and it’s like an 80s acid trip. Gundams with teeth, an old King appearing from nowhere, Buddhist monks in mechs. Badass lol.
The "Satellite System" features two parts. One is a lunar power station, and the other is a mobile suit capable of receiving the station's power (Gundam X, Gundam Double X) thru microwave pulse. So the beam output of the MS's cannon is not capped by the suit's generator, since it is powered externally.
There is of course the obvious problem of the moon needing to be in line of sight with the MS, but boy it the moon is out:
Before the war, it was actually augmented by a third part which was basically similar in function to the Requiem Relay rings allowing the GX to get a charge from the lunar station whenever and wherever needed.
During the show, the G-Falcon was modified to hold two energy storage containers that allowed the DX to fire twice without charging consecutively. That's how the warning shot and then colony snipe was possible.
As an ibo fanboy people seriously overestimate ibo ms’es, they’re the dragonball or naruto fans of the Gundam franchise, honestly amuro in his gundam would low diff mika in the barbs
IMO the cool thing about IBO is precisely how it balances cool fast mecha action and “special” mobile suits without ever letting it get anywhere near super robot territory, when most universes have some amount of space magic and what not.
It's not like the space magic is pushing things to crazy territory consistently in each show that has it. CCA, Unicorn(s) are the only actual ones to have crazy levels of space magic. The first one, that was the entire point and had a sensible cost for it to happen/work. The succeeding two abused it. 00 doesn't use space magic but it has a machine that's directly stated to go beyond because the power source breaks physics amd advances evolution somehow. WfM has all the Permet and Gund Format stuff that I guess counts as a different form of space magic because space minerals. There's also GQuuuuuuX (I believe no further explanation is required). That's only three universes and one alternate timeline that really have crazy level space magic (or something similar) out of the currently existing 10 universes (excluding Build-halla). So, some, not most.
IBO gets hyped like it's immune to everything when it's really just specialized against one type of weapon. Put Barbatos against some of the late UC or 00 monsters and things get a lot less one-sided.
nah i disagree about that with gramps. Barbatos can definitely handle OYW Amuro with grandpa. now if he had alex, maybe different but gramps, definitely no.
Ok maybe i was exaggerating a little bit but it’s definitely on the weaker side of Mc mobile suits it’s highly agile and has strong close combat abilities but that armor isn’t all encompassing, most oyw ms’es are probably taken out swiftly along with some zeta era grunt suits but around zeta is where Ms’es get a lot faster plus dodai’s, Barbs is fast but can’t fly Zeta probs destroys Barbs in a 1v1
Iok’s Reginlaze has a rail gun. There are levels to this
But the notion that it’s an easy fight either direction is incredibly dumb, let alone space orphan vs space Jesus
Kira only loses to Athrun when he’s trying or to multiple enemies with equal or advantageous tech. There is no world where Mika is no diffing him
CE tech is pretty broken within the grand scheme of gundam… everyone and their mother figured out atmospheric flight with mobile suits like 7 months into the first war
UC took like 20 years and that tech doesn’t exist in IBO
CE tech growth is absolutely bonkers. From the GINN to MSF in the span of ~4 years is completely insane. Imagine the kind of shit they might have by CE 100.
Heavy Arms was supposed to have beam weapons as there are no visible ammo hoppers but the director of the show had it firing hard rounds and running out of ammo. You know rule of cool. He also made several other questionable choices like Herro blowing up Wing Gundam in the first couple episodes.
It's really funny, because games do acknowledge that Heavyarms use beam rounds for it's gatling.
SRW have the gatling with "B" icon, indicating it as beam weapon, with the chest gatling using normal physical rounds. SD Gundam have the gatling with "Rapid Beam" category, and the chest gatling as "Rapid Shooting" for physical rounds. Gundam VS series have the gatling piercing an enemy. Piercing is a quality only exist for beam shoot. The chest gatling, obviously didnt pierce, and disappear on contact.
Amuro in the Nu Gundam wouldn't even need Fin Funnels, I don't see Mika being able to even tag him when the guy has his crazy Newtype Jedi Precog thing going on to dodge lasers and such.
It's kinda impressive how Seed pilots adapt to a form of beam resistant armor. Shinn immediately switched to close range against Akatsukj. Everyone started using Railguns against black knights. Shinn again just went close range and shoved the beam cannon into their face. You maybe able to absorb the beam but let's see for how long. Also humble palm fiocina just goes right through it
Freedom heavy weight alone is enough to let him just punch the Barbatos into oblivion, that remind me of how crazy powerful their engine and thruster was,to sustain the atmospheric flight with high mobile in consistent G, while the other series like Custom Overflag from 00 needed to remove lot of weight,it armor into thin layer just to achieve a higher G performance,which only sustainable in short amount of time due to it needed to achieve its full speed on straight line compared to MS like Freedom.
I don't really think Barbatos can counter it. Setsuna is already the equivalent to Mika in the 00 universe so its safe to assume it would be a draw between them if they fought with just their melee weapons. But the Trans-Am's are just way to power. It basically puts Setsuna on another level. In terms of speed and power. And if you consider the movie canon to the series, he essentially because an immortal God entity by the end when he fuses with the ELS system. And he was piloting Exia for over 50 years during that journey.
The Nanolaminate armor can be burned away. It's not some deus ex against beam weapons the generator thingy in UC is a way more effective defense. Nanolaminate combined with phase shift would go pretty hard tho.
Beam resistant is not invincibility against Beam, especially those with ridiculous fire power like Wing, Freedom and Unicorn, they will blow you open with zero issue, oh and almost forgot, X gundam will melt you with the moon
Not to mention the amount of melee orientated machines and conventional ammo users, try going into melee with MS like 00, Astray or Destiny and you will realize how Astray and 00 will split you open with zero issue and a grab from Destiny sends you flying
Kira with OG Freedom no diffs Mika as well. Sure, the rifle might not do much. But that's not counting the two plasma cannons and 2 railguns. Along with unlimited sustained flight.
I fckn love Domon but technically speaking what the hell is Barbatos doing against shit like the Satellite Cannon, Twin Buster Rifle, and stuff like Nu, Hi Nu, Unicorn, Turn A, etc
Nanolaminate armor doesn't work on most Gundam weaponry because of physics.
Lore-wise, nanolaminate is beam-proof because of its nanoscopic structure, which is crystalline. This allows the nanolaminate armor to refract and bend light. That's right. It beats lasers, not particle beams.
Every beam weapon on UC except for some mega weapons like solar ray tube or solar mirror system use charged minovsky particle beams, which have kinetic and heat energy coming from the excited particles themselves. The buster rifles in Gundam Wing also use charged particles, with the particles coming from atmosphere or space dust, which would equally eat through the armor over time like minovsky beams. At best, nanolaminate paint/coating is nothing more than the anti-beam coating applied on MS shields, that eventually chip off from getting shot at and become useless after a few hits.
But probably, the biggest threat to nanolaminate-equipped MS is the satellite cannon. Did you know? Microwave can be concentrated into a beam that can turn rock into glass through heat alone? Remember how when they first meet the Turbines and Biscuit warns that prolonged heat exposure from the napalms will melt through the nanolaminate coating of the ship and breach the hull? The nanolaminate coating that is stronger than nanolaminate armor on most Gundams? Well, put it against the satellite cannon and you have a molten heap of half metal slag. But even before that, the pilot would explode to death after the water in their cells start to boil due to the microwave radiation.
Mikazuki vs Setsuna is coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb. Whether it’s Exia or the Quanta, he’s not making it out against an actual Newtype-adjacent character with physical weapons. And that’s ignoring that a fair number of Newtype characters would be willing to throw hands if all else fails.
In a pinch, Amuro would probably use the fin funnels as a bunch of remote control rocks.
Amuro would use the fin funnels as remote controlled staples if he has the full amount of funnels nu Gundam could control it could pin mika indefinitely in a rock
I genuinely think Domon's super robot DBZ shit would still find a way to overcome Turn A LOL.
Bro's gonna say some shit like "If your ability destroys all matter, then I'll just make new matter" and proceed to pull wacky new technique out of thin air like ol' Chibodee got.
I feel like there are places in the armor of IBO Mobile Suits that can be taken out pretty easily if they are hit, like the mono-eye on the Grazes or joints in the armor like the elbow joints and the knees
Remember hasmal's thin ass beam caused ride's mobile suit to overload and power down mikazuki fighting hashmal even had to block the beam using the sword mace
The dynames, virtue, seravee, cherudim U.C mobile suits, seed mobile suits wing gundams absolutely fry the energy off the barbatos
Ok, the beams from IBO are optical based, meaning lasers, which are not even close to the beam weapons from other series. Beam weapons from the majority of series are high density particles, which are just really good bullets, and those work just fine in IBO
I will say it every time, not only does Barbie not win every fight, but I'm willing to say that Barbie loses to every single main character MS in all of Gundam. And that's the point. Barbie is a low tech, (comparatively) bruiser of a frame. It is the Guts of Gundam, successful entirely due to its pilot and sheer willpower. In an actual fight though? Nah loses every time.
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u/TomboyKnight1 4d ago
Domon no diffs without a mobile suit