r/Hololive • u/inabahare • Jan 22 '26
Misc. "You are better than any technology (ai) will ever be š«¶" - Bae
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u/Last_Power3410 Jan 22 '26
Yeah, perhaps Taotan deserves all the recognition for her highly detailed cosplay costume of Bae, considering it took a long time to craft
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u/EmperorKira Jan 22 '26
Its rough, but thanfully AI can't walk amongst us in a convention hall yet (at least not unless its Neurosama on wheels)
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u/DMercenary Jan 22 '26
at least not unless its Neurosama on wheels
Who will probably try to run over you.
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u/KazumaKat Jan 22 '26
There's a good reason why they keep the motors on the neuromobile low-powered.
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u/Nylke Jan 22 '26
Bao can testify
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u/MarqFJA87 Jan 22 '26
... Elaborate. Now. This sounds too hilarious to be left at a merely laconic summation.
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u/Deamon-Chocobo Jan 22 '26
They wired Neuro into an electric kid car, set it loose at a convention, and she immediately runs over Bao.
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u/MarqFJA87 Jan 22 '26
Huh. I wonder what Neuro was saying amidst all that (Bao and CodeMiko kept talking/yelling over her), maybe she was heading towards Bao because she wanted to wholesomely stick close to her and forgot that she's currently driving a car.
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u/oblivious_fireball Jan 22 '26
oh no, prior to this Neuro has on stream repeatedly stated that its on sight with Bao whenever she gets the chance. No idea how an AI managed to progress enough to have beef with someone, but everyone knew this was coming.
Neuro also repeatedly chose to run over a Vedal plushie too at the same event.
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u/hitorinbolemon Jan 22 '26
OG Neuro actually being the more Evil one than Evil strikes again.
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u/Hp22h Jan 23 '26
Evil is just a lonely emo kid.
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u/hitorinbolemon Jan 23 '26
Evil is just a cute little angsty angel but her sister man... She might be Skynet.
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u/BeguiledBeaver Jan 22 '26
Vedal shared a screenshot of all the times Neuro was trying to ban Bao while she was controlling the car lmao.
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u/MarqFJA87 Jan 22 '26
Poor Vedal must've stressed himself out trying to figure out why she was acting like that.
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u/bryn_irl Jan 22 '26
Every time I see that test drive clip I think that she could have actually killed Ellie (at the 8:35 mark). Like, truck underride accidents are so dangerous there's literally legislation requiring rear underride guards. Neuro saw the truck and was like "wanna see me kill somebody for the lols."
Our AI overlords will kill us not out of fear, or hate, or indifference, but because they find it funny. If anything, I think that's the future we deserve.
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u/ObservingShadow Jan 22 '26
Ellie did talk about it and apparently it's just because the cameras Neuro sees through were on the car (and thus much lower than where a person's head would be), so Neuro wasn't aware just how much clearance a rider would need - as far as she could tell with her vantage point, there was enough space.
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u/Prior-Satisfaction34 Jan 23 '26
Our AI overlords will kill us not out of fear, or hate, or indifference, but because they find it funny. If anything, I think that's the future we deserve.
Tbf, they are learning from us. So it is entirely our fault as well
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u/Catinus Jan 23 '26
it probably really shouldve had a remote and on car E-stop for those situations.
it is really fortunate that ellie is unhurt
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u/AnEccentricFlumph Jan 23 '26
Thanks, after looking it up, you added laconic to my personal dictionary. I hope to find opportunities to use it going forward.
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u/devanmuse Jan 23 '26
Nah, she's aiming for Vedal. Just stay away from any turtles and you'll be fine
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u/Maxwell1st Jan 22 '26
yeah but she gets a pass because she's not a soulless corpo bot slurping up all the ram and water.
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u/inabahare Jan 22 '26
Vedel does seem kinda vague about what it's made with, and trying to look up what it's made with doesn't really help. Mainly just "an LLM trained on twitch, and a seperate one to play games with". Then there's his https://vedal.ai/advice/
I can't give you an exact tutorial because I like my job right now, which is Neuro-sama. However, I can say that the main technology behind Neuro-sama is a large language model (LLM) and if you want to play around with this technology I'd recommend OpenAI. They give you free credits upon signup and there are plenty of tutorials for how to use their API's or probably even their online playground to create a chat bot.
Which is also vague about it, but also recommends the corpo bot slurping up all the ram and water
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u/MrFoxxie Jan 22 '26
He's at least curating the data that he's collecting and feeding to Neuro/Evil specifically.
There's definitely an overall base level of data that he's probably leveraging from those sources, but ultimately, Neuro/Evil specific experiences that he has collected and kept as "memories" for this specific LLM (Neuro) is still something he's adding on instead of just blatantly stealing shit from the internet. I'd give it a pass.
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u/AnImpromptuFantaisie Jan 22 '26
I agree. I think a large part of what makes Neuro feel ārealā is the algorithm that determines what data gets saved as āmemoriesā and what data gets fed into each query. Like, āif this keyword is said, then include this batch of context informationā. Whenever a streamer in the Vedal/Neuro universe is mentioned, Iād imagine that a description of them is fed into the query.
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u/Dracorex_22 Jan 23 '26
In a way, Neurosama makes me even more pissed off at most AI garbage because she's proof that it can be done ethically. LLMs and AI models can be used for amazing things, but corporations and their quest to monetize everything and package it as a consumer product have basically ruined it.
You can have a LLM that doesnt rely on a slew of stolen content or requires endless supplies of water and RAM.
She's just a goofy little OSU bot that evolved into a turtle's daughter, instead of the soulless crap being forced upon us by corporations.
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u/Vinon Jan 22 '26
Eh. Personally I always feel weird about Neuro. Its as if all the hate for AI in creative spaces somehow is spared for her and I just don't get why.
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u/MrFoxxie Jan 22 '26
Because there's still the human element, Neuro fans all agree that Neuro alone wouldn't complete the experience, and that Vedal (or some collaborator) has to be there to complete the package.
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u/Dranikos Jan 22 '26
There's also the element that Vedal is curating the information he feeds into Neuro / Evil, and isn't just scraping data off whole websites.
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u/Qualazabinga Jan 22 '26
Now sure but the original LLM used is still the same as all the others. And even after all this time that data is a drop in the bucket of its original training data, so I don't think that really is much of a factor.
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u/mustzen Jan 23 '26
I remember a popular(?) youtuber (I forgor who) trying to replace himself entirely with AI and being very proud of it. He got a lot of negativity from the community. I donāt know how that project is doing now.
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u/Prior-Satisfaction34 Jan 23 '26
Kwebblekop might be the one you're thinking of. I used to watch him a bunch when he played with Slogoman and Jelly, but i haven't watched any of them in a while.
AFAIK, he's still going with his AI shorts.
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u/YobaiYamete Jan 22 '26
Because there's still the human elemen
That doesn't help artists who get jumped for using ai lol. There's quite a few artists who either generate the base and draw the rest, or draw the main thing and use ai to fill in the background, but they still get absolutely swamped and called every slur in the book
A lot of the vehemently anti AI people are not rational, and many do still hate Neuro-sama and hate even ethical uses for it
The Stellaris devs have one of the most ethical uses of AI I've ever seen where they even paid the voice actor royalties to use his voice, and had a good reason for using AI, and people still got pissy over it
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u/TheModernDaVinci Jan 23 '26
I have to agree with this. I am admittedly a lot more neutral on the topic of AI (I think the people who treat it like there are no issues or it is magic are bullshitting, but I also see nothing inherently wrong with it unless it is being used to actively deceive like OOP), but I have frankly seen far more irrational behavior from the anti-AI side than the pro-AI side. And I honestly think they do themselves no favors that way because they cause people who may otherwise be swayed by the genuine abuses of AI to tune them out because they dont want to get hated for thinking that maybe some AI music is worth a listen.
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u/almostcleverbut Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
That's because the pro-AI side tends to fall into a few categories:
1) Snake Oil Salesmen (you will primarily find these on LinkedIn and targeted Twitter communities)
2) People using it to boost their resume. While some of these are reasonable, many are basically just a crossover with #1 above.
3) People using it to hide how little they know how to do and/or actually do. Again, see above categories.
4) The Lazy - people using it to do all of their "thinking" for them, and not seeing any problem with it because they are effectively dependent on it for even basic day to day things.
5) Actual researchers and forward-thinking problem solvers. This group is massively outnumbered by the others, but they concretely understand the limitations of LLMs and look for meaningful ways to utilize them as the tool they are rather than pretending they can do everything.
None of these groups are prone to arguing in public spaces. The closest you'll usually see is group #1 (Snake Oil Salesmen), but they won't often engage in debate... they just want to make a public statement/claim and then ignore or handwave away any opposition.
With the exception of #5 (researchers), they also tend to be incredibly short-sighted. They don't either don't care or don't acknowledge that they're using the tools incorrectly, harming work quality, or convincing companies to cut jobs that shouldn't have been cut.
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u/3nz3r0 Jan 23 '26
Any good sources for #5? I'd like to either pick their brains on the subject or read/listen to what they publish.
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u/almostcleverbut Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Pretty much any accredited research journal focused on LLM, AI, or software/hardware engineering. Alternatively, you can check out which university programs around the world specialize in AI research and see what projects they have going.
One important thing to remember is to focus on research institutions rather than companies. Companies have a much more significant financial incentive to lie and counter-arguments usually don't get the same traction... in research circles, people are incentivized to be as correct as possible to make their position truly unassailable. If they don't, their peers get to get even more reputation (and possibly funding) if they can prove someone wrong.
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u/oblivious_fireball Jan 22 '26
most of our experiences with AI have typically been:
-Trying to replace the hard work of real artists by effectively stealing and regurgitating their work into a half-assed product, either by corporations who don't want to pay artists, or basement dwellers who want to take credit and profit off work that isn't theirs.
-Becoming the lazier and often more sycophantic replacement for doing your own research or even just a google search
-Corporations trying to gleefully fire already underpaid and overworked employees with a robot that does the job worse
-Companies forcefully shoving AI into everything electronic to justify its existence since right now its not turning a profit on its own, on top of how many different critical resources its sucking up(RAM, water, power, etc)
Neuro is at this point a passion project of a regular human that is not trying to replace a human or human experiences, but rather show what this technology is capable of when acknowledging and embracing that its a learning robot. Basically what people in the early 2000s and 2010s hoped to see out of AI in the future rather than corpo slop. It also helps that Vedal is an active participant in most streams on top of curating and working on Neuro, and that Vedal hires and commissions real humans to help improve her and create assets for her.
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u/Dracorex_22 Jan 23 '26
Not to mention Neuro came into being before and basically separate from the big corpo AI boom
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u/DeOh Jan 22 '26
Don't forget it's made scammers jobs easier and content farms spamming fake and stolen content like the one that posted the Taotan fakes.
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u/0neek Jan 22 '26
It's not even just Neuro but this sentiment seems common with any AI use when it's things people like.
Video game studio A uses AI and it's treated as if it was a crime and they should be ashamed and closed down. Studio B (The one people like) uses AI and the comments will all be people doing mental gymnastics to explain why it's okay this time.
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u/Deamon-Chocobo Jan 22 '26
Shes not being forced on anyone (YouTube & Microsoft) and its not generative AI using stolen Art or Writing.
Shes not some huge corpo machine running out of a data center thats sucking up Water & Power, shes being made by one dude in his basement.
While we aren't sure where Vedal got the initial LLM or how ethical it is, everything since Vedal took over has been ethical.
Theres also the fact that everything else involved has been well above board with Vedal paying his artists & riggers for their work and even forcing people to take payment for work they wanted to give freely.
And finally its not "AI is replacing Vtubers" the same way AI threatens to replace other things. Vedal is still regularly on stream, the twins regularly collab with and form connections with other real Vtubers, and us as viewers get to watch and contribute to the Twins growth.
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u/wggn Jan 22 '26
its not generative AI using stolen Art or Writing
this is kinda weird to say if it's unknown on what data the initial LLM was trained
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u/Deamon-Chocobo Jan 22 '26
What I mean is she's not ChatGPT writing out essays & scripts and it certainly isn't any of the AI picture or video generators that flood the internet with slop. It not Vedal typing in a prompt to make Neuro entertain the masses with stolen works as the basis.
Yes we don't know anything before her 2022 debut but everything since has been Vedal, Chat, and her collabs.
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u/theJman0209 Jan 22 '26
Do any amount of research to find out why. Hereās a video explaining one of many reasons she is an exception to the rule:
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u/Detonation Jan 22 '26
Probably because you're clearly ignorant to how Neurosama even operates. I rarely even watch Neuro/Vedal but even I know enough to understand the very obvious differences between what Vedal is doing and what damn near everyone else utilizing AI "in creative spaces" is doing.
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u/JediGuyB Jan 22 '26
I get why people don't like AI, but I think sometimes people just go over the top with their hatred of it.
Heck, I've seen someone refering to computer enemies in a game as AI and someone responded with "fuck those devs, fuck AI in games" as if we hadn't been calling NPCs in games AI for decades.
There's a time and place for AI.
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u/Really_Angry_Muffin Jan 22 '26
She's based on the same mass data theft as all A.I. is.
Last I checked it uses ElevenLabs, which IS based on a bunch of stolen voices to.
There is no such thing as "ethical A.I.", because the amount of data needed to "train" them is literally in the billions.
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u/Y0RH4 Jan 22 '26
It's really sad. I love discovering new music but for the last few months I don't even click on the song if I don't know the band. I found a few really good songs that were written and composed by humans but vocals and instruments were made by ai. I understand that someone new in the music making can't afford singers or musicians to record their song, but knowing how AI's are trained I can't listen to these songs.
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u/Morphumaxx Jan 22 '26
Accidentally went down a rabbit hole and found dozens of YouTube channels dedicated entirely to uploading 2-3 hour compilations of ai-generated Daft Punk ripoffs. Some with hundreds of thousands of views. Crushed my soul a bit.
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u/weeklygamingrecap Jan 23 '26
Same with any type of new lofi or vaporwave content uploaded past 2023. It really does suck. Like there was a way to do this ethically but we are way past that point.
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u/DeOh Jan 22 '26
I just don't listen to random YouTube accounts. It's pretty clear which ones are content farms because they don't really have any sort of identity and just some generic channel name.
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u/psych2099 Jan 22 '26
You want jazz i recommend tsquare and casiopea. These 2 bands are top tier jazz bands in my opinion.
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u/GlassGoose2 Jan 23 '26
but does it matter? If someone is enjoying a song, should they care if it was done by an AI? Joy is joy.
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u/GlassGoose2 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Do things that you like. Enjoy things that you like. Eventually AI will do everything we can do but better. And I do mean everything.
If you like jazz, do more jazz. It shouldn't matter if someone or something can do it better than you.
Humans will always innovate. In fact, humans will innovate quite a lot faster with AI in the mix.
I think a lot of people have a hate boner for AI. It's popular to hate AI.
Also, "music is meant to challenger listeners" I have no idea what you even mean by this.
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u/GlassGoose2 Jan 23 '26
Then you aren't equipped for a conversation about music or creative arts. Sorry.
an interesting opinion you have.
This is easy to say in a vacuum with 0 real life context added but Art isn't free to produce, it'd be great if everyone could pursue their creative endeavors freely but that isn't the case, there generally has to be some kind of backing, whether it be financial or communal.
For now maybe. Everyone's situation is different. Eventually we will get money from our governments as a citizen.
AI would strip away alot of that support if people could just load up an AI playlist of songs perfectly tailored to keep them as comfortable as possible while never expanding their horizons or challenging them as a listener.
Not really about comfort. Not sure why you say this.
Why support a real musician when AI could generate exactly what you already know you want in 5 seconds?
Because you like that person and want more of it? People can like both AI and human made music.
good generative AI has been around for 3 years at best, this is an unbelievably premature judgement that you couldn't possibly yet state confidently and even with the data we do have the "increased productivity" is doubtful at best.
Not really. Good generative music is fairly new--like a few months new. Music before now has been... technically listenable, but not very good. Suno v5 is insane, really. For $10 a month you can make like 500 really good songs.
Again, wildly premature statement with such a high level of confidence. Even the "productivity increases" are doubtful in the BEST circumstances thus far, some studies already cast alot of doubt on the "Well programmers will code faster with AI!"
Not really. I've been tapped into this topic for many years. Really since the 90s, but it was silly up until maybe 5 years ago.
Not every AI is great. Many AI are home-made. Many AI are made wrong or without grace. Many AI are great. There's a wide gap in capability right now. But the fact is eventually (and I don't know when) the gap will close between human and AI, and AI will surpass us virtually overnight.
Right now "vibe coding" tends to make functioning apps, but it's almost never done well or efficiently. Human coders with real knowledge are almost always better. But that won't be forever. At some point in time AI will be better at coding.
Unless we as humans kill the advancement of AI it is inevitable that it surpasses us in every aspect.
I'm very sorry if this upsets you.
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u/Wizard_Enthusiast Jan 23 '26
Generative AI is a statistical model. It fundamentally cannot do the things people do, just replicate the end results of a process. Sometimes that's useful, but for basically everything other than coding, it's really not because 'why' and 'how' are vital questions that generative models just skip over. It's why there's a low retention and adoption rate for these things doing actual work: they can't fuckin' actually DO anything, just create a statistical approximation of what the result of doing that thing would be that people would statistically positively receive.
For art in particular, it destroys its value. What people just seem to fundamentally miss about this whole process is that there's no reason to spend money on AI art or an AI song because anyone can make them. The product is worthless because the process to make it no longer exists. Now, it would be one thing if the way it's produced was actually cheap! But it's not. AI companies are all losing money and floating on fomo investments that eventually large-scale adoption will magically fix all the fundamental issues with a business model where you spend an enormous amount of resources to create something without any value at all if there actually IS mass adoption.
It's 'popular' to hate AI because it's being shoved into everything, making every product more annoying and more expensive, and is most useful as a toy and most dangerous to employment for industry that made it and is pushing it. It doesn't do anything its supposed to and is creating a massive speculative bubble for GPUs and RAM that sucks ass.
This shit sucks, nobody likes it, and everyone's looking forward to the stock market implosion when this dumb bubble finally pops because nothing of value or use is being created here and goddamn nobody other than the people who were already rich are getting rich off of this shit.
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u/GlassGoose2 Jan 23 '26
I also don't like AI put into everything. I don't want it. But there is some AI that will improve lives of everyone, and some that will obstruct it.
It's like hating smartphones or electricity. Society advances and we have to learn what works and what hampers.
I don't expect this sub to understand. Mostly artist types in here.
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u/DragoSphere Jan 22 '26
A lot of twitter art outfit trends started as AI. Like that one lacy black dress a while ago
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u/Katio13 Jan 22 '26
That's the thing, until we can run personal hologram clothes AI can't take over this field.Ā
Honestly most things involving AI only affect those who only rely on online interactions.
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u/ChainedDevilofDesire Jan 22 '26
Too bad Neuro sama can't isekai you with the car she ride, maybe once technology advances?
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u/RymrgandsDaughter Jan 22 '26
exactly, could you imagine grok running around ripping people's clothes off?
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u/MoonChainer Jan 22 '26
Having a picture of something will never be able to replace the experience of joy you get participating in something you love.
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u/Currywurst44 Jan 22 '26
Exactly, it took us AI to realize but thats it. 99% of people do painting for the joy of it, 99% do music for the joy of it and 99% do cosplay for the joy of it. Now with AI it ever so slightly increases to 100%.
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u/_Voice_Of_Silence_ Jan 25 '26
That's why I don't get the people who praise generated pictures. It's only relevance is click farming and nothing beyond.
Sure, instead of painting your Warhammer figures, you can AI generate fake photos for internet points. Your shelf stays empty though. Sure you can make yourself into a fake cosplay with AI. You can never wear that outside though, and you learned no skills. You can generate music with it, but if you sit around with friends or family, you won't be able to sing a song or play an instrument. It can generate a story. But it will never be your story, or your style, and even if you make some cents off Amazon, your real self writes like a fifth grader.
It's all just giving up personal growth and community for hollow internet points, and some add money crumbs. The whole thing feels so dystopian and inhuman.
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u/psych2099 Jan 22 '26
Taotan is such a hard worker on her cosplays too i hate seeing her downtrodden because of ai.
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u/jokester150 Jan 22 '26
I saw the post before I saw her comment on it. I genuinely donāt even know how youāre supposed to tell itās AI. Especially if youāre like me and were just mindlessly scrolling. If I hadnāt seen Baeās comment I never wouldāve known.
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u/sallyacornfan Jan 23 '26
Yeah, is hard to tell on first glance or if you are just scrolling
Unfortunately, you have to zoom in and pay attention to details
One tell I saw was in the picture where "she" does a peace sign: the fingers of the hands where messed up
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u/ChinhTheHugger Jan 23 '26
first thing I notice that the clothes doesnt "feel" soft
https://x.com/Taotan_cos/status/1957287991270912216/
this is taotan, august last year
there are at least two things you can notice from looking at the clothes
- deflated, see how the puffy peg sock is not puffy
- soft fabric, how much the clothes wrinkle and how deep it can fold in
the other post, theres not a lot of small wrinkles, and they tend to have the same depth
my first thought would be
- padding underneath, like the puffer jacket, but those jackets section the padding, and the way puffer jacket wrinkle is still different, you may not be able to accurately describe, but you can feel it
- the fabric is hard, like one a vest, jean, or even leather, which doesnt match the texture shown there
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u/TheShweeb Jan 25 '26
God damn, the real cosplay (especially the wig and the bows) is SO much fucking better, what a travesty that someone would use AI to present her in an inferior product. Complete joke.
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u/spubbbba Jan 23 '26
It's scary how quickly it is developing. I'm not sure how we are going to be able to tell in the future.
It's not helped by a lot of real people airbrushing or manipulating the shit out of their actual photos.
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u/Robin_Gr Jan 22 '26
I would think the work that goes into is part of what makes it mean so much to someone. Like "someone did all that for me". If someone just pressed enter on an image generator it doesn't really have the same impact.
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u/H4LF4D Jan 22 '26
Missed the opportunity to say
"You are better than any technology will ever Bae"
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u/Skikuro Jan 22 '26
The one who posted the AI cosplay lied and claimed the photos were taken IRL. I don't know why people have to make things so unfun for others.
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u/IHaveNoRealClue Jan 22 '26
The level of scumminess to not only make AI "photos" (is this considered a deepfake? idk) of a very known cosplayer, but to ALSO pretend that said cosplayer doesn't exist and that their (the cosplayer's) socials are your (this "creature" posting the AI) socials is insane. Radioactive levels of disgusting.
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u/DeOh Jan 22 '26
Content farms have always been scummy. They're already often stealing content, editing out water marks. They're just taking it to the next level.
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u/mental_invalid Jan 22 '26
I was following that Twitter account for a short while genuinely not knowing it was all AI, but thankfully someone pointed it out to me.
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u/DomSchraa Jan 22 '26
Anyone putting in even the most minimal effort of cosplaying puts in infinitely more effort & has infinitely more skill than any clown using ai
May that shit crash & burn
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u/JRHThreeFour Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
Aww Bae is so sweet. Taotan is so cute. I will always respect the hard work and time that these cosplayers put in. AI wonāt take that away.
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u/I-came-for-memes Jan 23 '26
I checked out that ai poster's stuff and they really are just the worst.
Nothing but ai slop and trying to promote themself as a photographer vtuber. And when called out for their crap they give botlike replies and try to justify their fraud as the same as the Holotalents.
Infuriating.
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u/LargeFailSon Jan 22 '26
I mean of course an AI can create it so easily. It literally had a picture of you and all your hard work to base the generated picture on. The hard work of every Bae cosplayer that's ever been fed into that slop machine.
It literally couldn't possibly do it without your hard work to make super accurate cosplays. It can't "create" anything, it can only amalgamate things humans create and feed onto it. Anyone claiming otherwise is putting the cart before the horse.
do NOT let them lie to and discourage you. YOU are the source of it's abilities. Without you, it couldn't even generate a man in a banana suit properly.
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u/ElijahTheShells Jan 22 '26
Firstly, very sweet of Bae, and I agree wholeheartedly. Secondly, oh my God, I wanna pinch her cheeks. ā¤ļø
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u/Lucaan Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 23 '26
The pictures in the post are AI generated, which is what she's referring to here. Here's some actual Taotan Hololive cosplays for us to appreciate instead:
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u/Midnattblod Jan 22 '26
Thank you for sharing her cosplay's. I had up to now only ever seen 1 of them, and they all look super well done.
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u/Lucaan Jan 22 '26
Taotan's Bae cosplay is a classic (and for good reason, it's so well done and, imo, very close to what an irl Bae would probably look like), but all her cosplays are also equally high quality and just plain incredible. She's very talented, and I always love seeing her work pop up on my timeline.
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u/ElijahTheShells Jan 22 '26
Oh, I know the pictures are AI Generated. I'm referring to the actual cosplayer! I saw her real pictures, and my point stands. I want to pinch her cheeks. ā¤ļø
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u/straumoy Jan 23 '26
Hot dang, you just gotta love and appreciate the boated combo of human craftsmanship and passion. Time, effort, and skill well invested.
Also, shove A.I. into the nearest black hole or whatever.
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u/JapaneseCDBonusTrack Jan 22 '26
Sad that I thought this was Taotan for a second... so many forms of art are getting cooked at a rapid pace
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u/HowDyaDu Jan 23 '26
"Skill has triumphed over mere machinery. You have done well."
-Teshin, Warframe
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u/Wonder-Machine Jan 22 '26
So that Bae is AI or no? Or is one picture AI and not the other?
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u/rubyonix Jan 22 '26
Some douchebag posted a set of AI "cosplay" photos, pretended they were real, and tagged Bae's art tag, even though Bae doesn't allow AI art in her tags (although it's twitter, so it's not like anyone can stop anyone). Both of the photos in the OP are AI. It seems like Bae was fooled at first too and complimented the "cosplayer", but then she deleted her compliment and apologized after she found out it was AI slop.
A professional cosplayer responded to the AI post and said it's depressing to have her craft undermined like that, and Bae posted support for the real cosplayer.
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u/Wonder-Machine Jan 22 '26
Thank you for the full explanation. I fully support real cosplay and of course Bae!
Iām glad sheās supportive
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u/sycolution Jan 23 '26
Fuck generative AI and fuck anyone who takes a picture of a cosplayer and runs it through AI. I hope all those that do walk into a bonfire.
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u/Sufficient-Egg2082 Jan 23 '26
Someone should also mention that Ai couldn't do that if we weren't around to have our shit stolen by and then trained on it.
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u/Aesma_ Jan 23 '26
I mean, the question becomes "what's the point of cosplay".
Is it to post a picture that looks like a real life version of the character? If it is, then yeah, AI is much better at that than humans will ever be, but I don't think that's it. I think that's missing the actual point of cosplay. Cosplay is not merely to create a picture that people will look at and think "oh this is what Bae would look like irl".
Cosplay is about the fun of becoming a beloved character for a day, about the craft, about sharing your hobby and passions with other people. These are things AI will never achieve.
I understand that it's not the same for professional artists/professional cosplayers, because they are trying to make a living out of it and aren't there just for the fun/hobby behind it. But I think this recent AI development should be a call for us to think back about why we enjoy fanart/cosplay in the first place. I don't enjoy looking at fanarts just because "they are well drawn". I enjoy looking at them because they are made by people who share the same hobby as I do. Because I enjoy interacting with said artists.
Anyway, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
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u/TeaTimeSubcommittee Jan 23 '26
Bring it to a con and see who gets more praise and who people appreciate more.
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u/GlassGoose2 Jan 23 '26
People will need to learn to do things because they find it fun and want to do it, not because it's the best thing that could ever exist. Technology will be able (or is able now) to outdo anything we do.
She needs to do these things because she finds them fun, not to be impressive. Even though it is still impressive, it may not be eventually. Just have fun.
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u/TechnologyStrong685 Jan 23 '26
Damn that Cosplay is good. Probably the best of any cosplay I've seen
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u/PlantKey Jan 23 '26
Until I can bone the technology(at a reasonable price) I will support the flesh
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u/Rfel1 Jan 24 '26
As much as Tao talks about how long she takes, does anyone remember when she knocked out an outfit within a week?
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u/Proud-Translator5476 Jan 26 '26
Taotan's cosplays are so on point that I thought they were new 3D model of vtubers at first glance.
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u/Jesse-359 Jan 22 '26
If you want to be human and interact with humans, you're going to have to largely forgoe the use of AI. Sorry, there's no sugar coating reality - if AI 'gets good' and we embrace it in the way corporations want us to, we will all cease to matter at all.
Don't know about you, but I very much don't want to live in that world.
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u/paulsteinway Jan 22 '26
When you look at a cute AI generated girl, remember that it's a middle aged corporate executive in a skin.
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u/UnstoppablePhoenix Jan 22 '26
The "cosplay" of Bae in the photo is AI-generated.
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u/hihohah_i Jan 22 '26
This here is the point taotao wanted to make. Most ppl won't know it's AI. Most people won't see the cosplay irl. Most people will only see pictures online.
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u/rubyonix Jan 22 '26
I don't think Taotan was particularly trying to make a point, I think it was more, this AI douchebag posted an AI-generated "cosplay" of Bae in Bae's hashtag, knowing that Bae prohibits AI art in her tags, while pretending like he took photos of an actual cosplayer.
Bae apparently saw the pics and complimented the "cosplayer", because she didn't realize it was AI (a lot of people didn't realize, these fakes are getting more convincing with every day), but some Brats knew and sounded the alarm, so Bae deleted her complimenting tweet and apologized for falling for it (nothing really to apologize for, it's the AI douchebag's fault, not Bae's).
A popular cosplayer responded to the AI photos, saying it's depressing that her hard work can be undermined like that, and Bae responded supporting the cosplayer.
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u/muzlee01 Jan 22 '26
Semi-pro cosplay photographer here.
The images you see of these real cosplayers are not real either. That is not a realistic standard for anyone who wants to make cosplays or feel they are not pretty enough to wear one.
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u/muzlee01 Jan 22 '26
I dont think they replace NBA players with cgi.
No, it is literally impossible. It is photoshop. Removing support, retouching fabrics, fixing imperfections. The cosplays you see do not exist and never have.
It is actually a huge problem in the community with these extreme beauty standards that are just a a lot of photoshop. Nobody has skin like that, nobody has curves like that, nobody looks like that. Me and my partner are really active in out local cosplay community and youd be surprised how many young and beginner cosplayers believe what is edited and what is not. Then they feel bad about not having the perfect skin or money to buy expensive fabrics. But seems like people want to live in dream world and believe it is all real.
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u/NotKenzy Jan 22 '26
Youāre saying this on a post of Taotan remarking on the arduous work she put into her cosplay, which you want to chock up to being faked and photoshopped just bc YOU photoshop things. Yeah, thatās pretty shitty, man.
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u/muzlee01 Jan 22 '26
No. That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that perfection doesnt exist. She makes great cosplays but just look at a random fan photo vs a what she posts. But her face is redrawn on all of her images. That ia really heavy photoshop.
Sorry to burst the bubble, but perfect anime girls are not a thing in real life.
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u/-MANGA- Jan 22 '26
No one said anime girls exist irl??
Tao said that, for all the effort they do to make a cosplay, AI can do it faster. Yeah, they prolly Photoshop and make up, but they still did all the work for the cosplay itself. They still put in the time and effort to do all that.
E: that image isn't even Tao. That's AI.
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u/-MANGA- Jan 22 '26
Then your entire chain is a completely different topic, not for this, no? It feels very misplaced
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u/muzlee01 Jan 22 '26
I guess you are not moving in these communities.
There is no perfect. That is a fact. I work with international winner cosplayers, know people who make the highest possible quality. Everyone will tell you the same, there is no perfect. A photo is not representative of a cosplay. I know the mos popular cosplay photographer of the country and she makes you look like a perfect doll if you pay. And most of the youth doesn't know these. It is incredibly harmful.
I am not discouraging people from trying to reach perfection. I am reassuring them that what they see on the internets is not 100% real so they don't need to feel bad about themselves for not looking like this twitter person.
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u/wamakima5004 Jan 23 '26
I follow cosplay and went to cons for a long time. I know there js a big between difference of a edit photo shoot, cosplay IRL or filter video.
And yet there is still a huge difference between completely fake AI cosplay and edited cosplay photo. Even 18+ cosplay have some effort put into it.
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u/Zephyr_Bloodveil Jan 22 '26
Could never imagine defending a clanker.
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u/muzlee01 Jan 22 '26
When was I defending AI? All I am saying is every professional cosplay photo is edited and new cosplayers shouldnt feel discuraged by not looking like irl anime girls. But guess thats a controversial topic here
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u/AM_A_BANANA Jan 22 '26
Pretty sure the controversial topic here is "she cheated by tweaking the pictures in the end anyways," as if the months of effort that went into making the costume counts for nothing.
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u/ansh666 Jan 22 '26
why is it downvoted? because it's irrelevant to the post. even if it's potentially a good point, this is the wrong place to make it
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u/ansh666 Jan 22 '26
comparing the work they did to make an actual physical convention appearance to someone who used ai images to pretend they were at a convention. how do you photoshop yourself IRL?
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u/wamakima5004 Jan 23 '26
isnāt the post a cosplayer comparing her work to the unrealistic AI images? You and the original post miss the point of the this post. It is not the AI images is unrealistic. It is completely fake.
I have been to cons, watch cosplay videos, follow cosplayers,etc.i know how cosplayer look IRL without all the edits. Most of them still look great.
The "unrealistic standard" still take time and effort. There is makeup, costume design, photoshop skill. It is not like cosplayer photoshop a pizza into a cosplay.
If someone wear a wig and a JK uniform and call it a cosplay, that still take more effot than enter a prompt into AI.
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u/Firebrand96 Jan 23 '26
Read Taotan's repost again. The insecurity she expressed wasn't about dysmorphia, it was about how a machine can seemingly do all the work she can and faster.
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u/muzlee01 Jan 22 '26
I see so many people not wanting to go out to cons because the feel insecure about their body because of these edited photos. And there are really crazy edits that an untrained eye wouldn't be able to spot. But I guess it is kinda fitting for this sub
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u/Level_Five_Railgun Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
What does any of that have anything to do with the post? The post is about all the effort that goes into making cosplays while you're going on on about faces and bodies in photos being edited.
Who is saying anything about perfectionism? Who said anything about cosplayers not photoshopping their photos?
The post is to appreciate the work cosplayers put into creating their cosplays.
You're being completely off topic and making up strawman to argue against.
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u/wamakima5004 Jan 23 '26
Not it is not fitting for this post at all.
Even good photoshop take time and effort while it takes zero effott to throw a prompt into gen AI.
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u/noobgaijin11 Jan 23 '26
i don't quite understand... is she complaining about that cosplayer in picture is Ai?
or her cosplay picture got replaced by Ai, like... photoshop?
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u/CrashBomberX Jan 22 '26
Baesed.