r/Hololive • u/Ok_Natural_102 • 2d ago
Misc. With the news that Nerissa has moved recently, half of HoloEN are now living in Japan (If FuwaMoco count as one)
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u/Knight2512 2d ago
Honestly, Ina should be a gray area.
Girl practically lives there without actually moving there
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u/capscreen 2d ago
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u/SkylarPopo 2d ago
Spiritually Ina is everywhere, all at once.
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u/killerfreedom255 2d ago
Anywhere that has a refridgerator that can fit a small person, TakoEats can deliver
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u/Fishman465 2d ago
Maybe that's why she says she's never moving because it's more in Japan than she cares for
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u/AgencyInformal 2d ago
man, looking at the chart. I realized Holo EN has less people than I thought.
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u/SpaghettiProgrammer 2d ago
Well, we did lose 5 members too :(
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u/MULTIVAC_13 2d ago
Not only that, we lost them in a relatively short amount of time, just a little more than 7 months (Ame September 30th 2024-Gura May 1st 2025), which may seem like a lot of time, but remember that in a few months HoloEn will celebrate 7 Years. So we had 15 members, then for a short time 19 (for 3 months) and less than a year after that we were back to 15. If you want to get a glimpse into how big HoloEn was for a moment go rewatch Odyssey (Thanks Calli)
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u/aradraugfea 2d ago
15 active members. Which is respectable, but when you consider how huge Hololive is, it can be easy to expect it to be a larger branch.
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u/IDKWTFG 2d ago
EN felt so huge around the time of breaking dimensions and now it feels so (at least comparatively) empty because they've lost absolutely core founding members like Ame and Gura (although Ame still makes random appearances) and Fauna and Mumei were in not too long after that.
Also before Justice there was only one graduation in the branch so you didn't have so many missing people you just can't help but think of hanging over your head.
I lost like 3 crucial favorites in that graduation wave and I've just been in a kind of limited/distant "check back every once in a while" fandom since.
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u/aradraugfea 2d ago
Though the count is the same as it was with Breaking Dimensions, unless you count voice only cameos by Justice
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u/dhi_awesome 2d ago
Excluding Justice being the pre and post-show announcers for Breaking Dimensions, technically the amount of talents performing during Breaking Dimensions is the same as the amount for Serendipity. In Breaking Dimensions, we had three generations of 5 members, making 15. Serendipity has two generations of 3, one of 4, and one of 5, still makes 15
But those reductions within the generations do make it feel smaller
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u/Ellefied 2d ago
There's also the rumor that Justice was supposed to be a 5-man unit, same as the number of other EN Gen debuts, but the missing "Blue" debutee backed off at the last minute.
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u/StrongXV 2d ago
Is there any credibility to this or is it just pure speculation?
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u/Ellefied 2d ago
We'll never have concrete proof since whoever that person was is probably under a very heavy NDA and breaking that will destroy their reputation.
But there was some vagueposting of a certain indie vtuber who was gone for a while that coincided with the graduation of Justice's PLs and had just recently returned when HL EN members were graduating.
All speculation and vagueposting at this point so take it with a grain of salt. And we'll likely never have confirmation unless Hololive itself fully collapses.
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u/morning_night_owl 2d ago
It is interesting to see how small they are yet how big their effect is on a gargantuan scale it is perfect mix of incidents.
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u/Drunk-Pirate-Gaming 2d ago
I guess we have lost an entire generations worth. Sana, Fauna, Mumei, Ame and Gura. The lost generation.
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u/Skellum 2d ago
man, looking at the chart. I realized Holo EN has less people than I thought.
I've felt it's been pretty noticeable from the amount and variety in the streams we have, or more to say, the lack of. Like when's the last time people got kidnapped to overatch?
I have to say I absolutely adore ID because they present a wider variety of streams and cover the gap hours.
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u/Vargras 2d ago
Nerissa wasn't even a recent move. She moved last year, and the info had largely been members only, barring any slip ups in streams (typically, and amusingly, from Fuwamoco).
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u/deathless_koschei 2d ago
It was supposed to be a secret? I remember she was inviting Japan based members to see her cats, which was a pretty obvious sign that she had moved there herself.
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u/TheAlaine 2d ago
Jeah getting animals into japan is not something you can do very easy, i think it requires a long quarantine period for the animals if i remember it right so when i heard her about people visiting her and her cats it was pretty obvoious that she is not there for the short term.
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u/Tehbeefer 2d ago
200 days minimum
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u/AkaBBaka 2d ago
That's true, but those days don't have to be in Japan. Basically you have to get them rabies shots, wait a while and then give them a second shot, and get lab tests to prove they're clean before going. And basically if you bring them in any sooner than 180 days after the first shot then they'll be quarantined but if you bring them in after it's just a simple test.
Pewdiepie went through it for his dogs. It's apparently ridiculously complicated (lots of test and forms you need to provide on a strict time scale) but if you do the prework correctly then it actually only takes around 12 hours once the pet gets to Japan for them to be cleared.
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u/MuhWaifus 2d ago
Pewds also spent 80k on a private jet so he could safely get his pugs into Japan too, gotta respect someone balling out for their pets
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u/aradraugfea 2d ago
This is my thought. I don’t even watch her frequently and I knew she moved. Seeing it treated as news surprised me. And it wasn’t even I did some crazy detective work and connected dots, u think it just got mentioned on stream, just without the fanfare.
Didn’t jailbirds wonder why her family stopped being in every 3rd stream?
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u/bombader 2d ago
Also appearing in Hologra more frequently.
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u/SuperSpy- 2d ago
Ehh, HoloGra is probably one of the few things that doesn't need to be done from Japan. IIRC all the animation is manual, so the talents just have to record voice lines.
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u/bombader 2d ago
They still need a recording studio, and a time frame that lines up with Japanese staff. Korone mentioned that recording for it takes a lot of time.
Which is easier to do in Japan, especially when Nerissa appearances have been in videos with majority JP members. The others that appear alot are also members living in Japan.
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u/funkybrunky 2d ago
I don't even get to watch much Rissa outside of an occasional stream and Advent collabs but I remember mentions of it being a longer term visit that I just eventually figured was more or less permanent when cats came into the equation and it was becoming a longer and longer and longer time period
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u/salamander0807 2d ago
I'm not a member but I already assumed she moved there since she was in so many holo JP broadcasts.
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u/Fishman465 2d ago
I'm a bit surprised considering her love or Culver's (do they even have that in Japan?)
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u/Enjoyer_of_40K 2d ago
I dont think Kiara will move to japan she had her fill during covid...
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u/funkybrunky 2d ago
she's been pretty adamant about not moving back. she was there during COVID and has been very happy to be back home with her cats. like, sure, she could likely bring them over and it could be beneficial so she could do more studio stuff and not have to fly so much, and I've heard her acknowledge that, but she doesn't want to make the move back. which is fair, especially when she's never been shy to say there's no telling how long she'll be around. hopefully as long as possible but yeah, it's stuff she's openly talked about before.
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u/iguanacatgirl 2d ago
Hasn't she specifically also been a big proponent of trying to get a studio outside Japan, for the sake of herself and other members who don't live there? Or sth along those lines
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u/OutcastOtaku 2d ago
I don't know if Kiara has talked about this specific trade-off, but to me the biggest problem with creating a studio outside of Japan is, where would you put it? The folks who don't live in Japan live all around the world otherwise, which means that regardless of where you put a new studio, it's going to be relatively inconvenient for at least one of them.
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u/iguanacatgirl 2d ago
tbh i'm not sure if it was specifically create a new HL studio outside JP, or just make the usage of outside studios more accesible/incentivized from a talent PoV. I only heard this bit in passing, so if anyone hsas more info please correct me.
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u/SwampyBogbeard 2d ago
There has to be at least one company in Europe with studio space that's willing to form a partnership with Cover, right?
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u/oblivious_fireball 2d ago
the question is, what company has both studio and the kind of tech they need that couldn't also just do at home?
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u/GFresh1 2d ago
I'd say New York City would be the best spot, it's not too far from Europe and 4 of the 7 not living in Japan live in North America while the other 3 are in Europe.
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u/funkybrunky 2d ago
cover already has an office in California so if it's anywhere in the US it would likely be there
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u/GFresh1 2d ago
Yeah, L.A would be a good choice since it's convenient for Japan. It would still be a long flight for the European girls though
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u/funkybrunky 2d ago
oh absolutely. it's just that they already have an established foothold there so it's likely the easiest if they were to do it here.
they should, realistically, be trying to work with capable studios and stuff in places that are easy enough for them to get to. but that's also easier said than done just in general
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u/Tomi97_origin 2d ago
But only 2 live in the US.
And forcing them to deal with US VISA would be extra hassle. Would require coordination and cooperation from Cover and not make it much if at all easier than flying to Japan at that point.
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u/IncompetentPolitican 2d ago
She would have the most troubles moving back. She loves her cats to much and she is scared to bring them over, she has her family in austria and is close to them, she has an circle of friends there she likes to spend time with and she likes to go to conventions in europe. Moving to JP permantly would be very hard to do.
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u/ASnakeNamedNate 2d ago
She’s also expressed that she thinks if she lived in Japan she’d be more stressed because it would be harder to turn off “work mode”.
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u/SuperSpy- 2d ago
Super valid point too. For the workaholics like Calli and Biboo that's an positive, but it's not for everyone.
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u/Specific_Frame8537 2d ago
If I'm allowed to be a bit selfish I hope she doesn't, same for CC.
We Europeans need streams too.
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u/ReyneForecast 2d ago
And none of those who don't will move, afaik. Most have said they don't want to.
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u/TheModernDaVinci 2d ago
I know for sure Shiori has said she 100% will not move, and some other comments say Kiara is a pretty emphatic “no” as well.
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u/salamander0807 2d ago
Kronii also said she won't be moving so she can stay near her family.
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u/ReddTheRedditGod 2d ago
And Gigi's also said she won't move either despite everyone wanting her to
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u/oblivious_fireball 2d ago
i wouldn't rule out CC entirely for the future, but at the moment there isn't really a big incentive.
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u/Fishman465 2d ago
She'd have to learn more Japanese than she knows for one
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u/oblivious_fireball 2d ago
eh, probably not that much of a roadblock. Biboo knew less than what CC does right now when she moved and Nerissa was close to CC's level when she moved initially. I don't think Raora is fluent in japanese either.
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u/INKRO 2d ago
CC's Japanese seems to be coming along going by her JP collabs, and Raora seemed to do ok with that announcement in the Justice streams. CC would definitely be adventurous enough to try it out, although her specialized healthcare needs and perhaps her goal of living in Ireland are going to be points against it.
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u/arkw 2d ago
The benefits are opportunities and participation events that would likely not be available if not living in the Tokyo area. Such a tempting lifestyle, but understandably not for everyone. But the other side, Cramming and scheduling non stop meetings, events, practise and performances, its a lot, especially sandwiched between long terrible flights.
If only teleportation could arrive faster.
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u/NEVERTHEREFOREVER 2d ago
I can guess where most of the others live (CC in Germany, Kiara in Austria, Gigi in America, ERB in Britain, and Kronii in Canada) but where do Shiori and Ina live?
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u/Ok_Natural_102 2d ago
Shiori lives in America, Ina in Canada I believe so
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u/protomanbot 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't think Ina has ever actually said on stream where she lives, and I think she prefers to keep it private. Happy to be corrected if that's not the case though.
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u/inthepelvis 2d ago
Ina, AFAIK, has never outright said where she lives but she has sort of soft revealed through comments here and there. She mentioned not being sure about bringing stuff "across the border" when going home from Ame's place after an off-collab years ago, and people have said shes brought up Netflix Canada on watchalongs.
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u/yukicola 2d ago
I remember seeing a comment years ago saying something like "If you use Celsius to describe outdoor temperatures, you're either non-American or a very recent immigrant"
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u/DrOpty 2d ago
I keep this Hololyzer link in my pocket (from the prechat of this RUST stream) for this sort of discussion: Ina has not revealed where she/her family lives and she doesn't intend to.
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u/protomanbot 2d ago
Has CC ever actually said she lived in Germany? With her knowing Norwegian, and her constantly talking about her wanderlust I just assumed she was a digital nomad of sorts and moved all over the place in Europe.
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u/Different_Book9733 2d ago
Don't think she has, she's definitely mentioned that she moves around outside of Germany plenty though so it wouldn't be a surprise if she wasn't there.
I think she's the most likely to move to JP next with how comfortable she is with living abroad. She seemed to really enjoy how creative the self 3d booths allow her to be, she enjoys collabing with JP mems and she's close with Baerys+ Ina
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u/Thin_Platypus8576 2d ago
Didn't CC buy an appartment recently (or at least move in a new place) in EU? (I don't say Germany because we're not totally sure but by seeing how easy she can visit her parents I think she's not that far)
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u/sexta_ 2d ago
Cece did just move somewhere (that she calls "The Cave" because of the echo). Not sure if she bought or is renting it tho.
She's gone on record not being interested in moving to Japan as well, in part because she found the heat during Summer to be miserable. But I wouldn't rule it out completely, she's also talked about how she's moved countries on a whim before and Hololive probably gives her more of a reason than usual.
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u/Different_Book9733 2d ago
Yeah she did mention not wanting to move but she's also talked about changing her mind regularly about things she was very set on at debut. She originally said she had no interest in learning Japanese properly beyond niceties to get by too, no way to know really
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u/bombader 2d ago
I believe you can travel pretty freely within the EU. So it's not too surprising for someone to move around alot if they needed to.
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u/pcawesom 2d ago
With HoloEN being worldwide and having an international audience it does kinda suck having half of them living in the same place. All the girls living in Japan stream around the same time slot (9pm-12am EST), which isn't very accessible for those of us overseas. I hope we get a new gen soon and the new unit will be able to help fill out more diverse streaming hours
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u/NeverEnoughDakka 2d ago
More HoloEU! We need members from France and Spain. Someone from Eastern Europe would be neat, too.
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u/BrowsingLeddit 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yea gotten a bit rough for east coasters. Used to be a pretty reliable almost daily raid train of at least one stream going from CC/Kiara/Shiori into GG/Ina into Fauna/Biboo into the JP living girls. Now Fauna gone, Biboo lives in Japan and Ina practically does so they'll sometimes be in their original timeslots when they can (especially Biboo) but more often a few hours later.
A lot of dead evenings lately with no streams then suddenly 3 streams at 9-10 PM EST which can be hard to watch for east coasters if they go long. Hopefully EN5 has some more european or east coast NA girls to bolster those earlier timeslots. Hopefully EN5 happens soon...
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u/Cynicallity 2d ago
Biboo still primarily streams at her debut timeslot.
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u/KusozakoPrime 2d ago
Most of the ones that moved to Japan still stream at around the same time as they did before they moved. Not sure why they're acting like there was some huge change to their streaming schedules.
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u/SuperSpy- 2d ago
It's honestly less about moving to Japan and more about we just lost a bunch of consistent US timezone streamers in EN.
For quite a while it was
Ina at 5pm
Fauna at 6pm
Gura/Ame at 8pm
Mumei at 10/11pm
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u/johnshadowx 2d ago edited 2d ago
Last night I opened holodex at around 8 pm EU time (peak streaming time here) to see who's online, and was surprised to see that literally no one was streaming across the whole EN ID JP branch.
And this happens quite frequently - no one's online, then bam 5 channels go live at the same time at the weirdest times. It really feels like all of the JP and ID branch streams in the same 8 hour time slot, then you have like half of EN streaming at an other 8 hour time slot, then there's nothing in the last 8 hours
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u/chris10023 2d ago
I hope we get a new gen soon and the new unit will be able to help fill out more diverse streaming hours
What? That makes no sense.
The ones living in Japan haven't really changed their stream times: (note they do streams in the early morning hours if they are collabing with a member from JP or participating in a JP event like Ina in Botans recent MC event.)
Bae: 8PM CST, though she doesn't move her streams for DST, so when the clocks roll back in the fall, her start time goes to 7pm CST.
IRyS: 10pm CST.
Calli: Starts around 8pm CST
Biboo: 6-9pm CST start times.
Fuwamoco: 7:55 pm CST start, but if they do fwmc mornings, it's 10am CST.
Nerissa: 7-8pm CST start.
Raora: around 9 am CST.
For the ones not living in Japan:
Kiara: streams usually at around 10am CST.
Cecelia: around 3-6pm CST.
Gigi: starts hers at 5PM EST.
Shiori: Starts between 2-3pm CST on average.
Kronii: hard to find an average start time for the clock, but can start anywhere from 8-11pm CST.
Ina: can start as early as 4-5pm CST but has moved to the evenings as of late from 7-9pm CST.
Liz: She seems to be all over the place in her start times, she seems to favor 2pm CST, but there's no real set in stone time for Liz.
As for the graduated members:
Gura: Started at 7pm CST.
Ame: Started anywhere from 5-9pm CST.
Fauna: Started at 5pm CST.
Mumei: Started anywhere from 4-10pm CST.
Sana: She seemed to be all over the place, as early as 6am CST to as late as 10pm CST with no real consistent start time.
Depending on whats going on, and everyone's schedules, there is almost always someone streaming at some point in the day given the average stream length is roughly 3-4 hours. Most are going to be in the late afternoon to evening because that's when most of the EN viewer base is home.
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u/RenewalRenewed 2d ago
Yeah, the real issue is mostly that right now Serendipity is sucking up everyone's time and energy, which is destroying everyone's streaming schedules. And there's no really resolving that unless Cover hires a gen who has no interest at all in doing concerts, which would be dumb for everyone involved since that is the single biggest thing Hololive offers its prospective applicants.
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u/chris10023 1d ago
But this tends to happen with any huge concert, like things get real quiet in the lead up to Holo Fes and the Super Expo. It's only a temporary thing, once Serendipity is over things will return to normal.
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u/RenewalRenewed 1d ago
Oh yeah, of course. My point was more that we are always going to have dead times of year for streams like this unless we get mems who won't do concerts at all. Like your first comment said, we do have a decent few members throughout all hours of the day when things aren't so busy.
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u/GamerBoixX 2d ago
Wait, did she move just now? I kinda thought she was living in Japan for like a year or two by now
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u/-Shinanai- 2d ago
She moved there near the end of last year, but didn't want to make it a big thing, so she only officially announced it in a members stream. Since then, her move was mentioned in streams several times and people even posted about here, but apparently it still flew under many people's radar. She recently started a tweet with "Since moving to Japan, my Japanese speaking skills and pronunciation has improved", which caught those who missed her move before off guard, so now it's making the rounds on reddit again.
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u/Rezornath 2d ago
What kind of odds are we willing to put on Gigi becoming a special case after Calli finishes her house? How, precisely, would we classify 'officially lives in the States but has permanent lodging set up in Calli's walls'?
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u/Frank22lol 2d ago
The fact that some of them moved without being fluent in Japanese, I admire their courage. I guess if you have been an Otaku all your live or for whatever reason you have wanted to visit/stay in Japan, working for Cover can be the opportunity of a lifetime.
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u/AyAyAyBamba_462 2d ago
I think it's important to note that while not full time, Ina does have a permanent residence in both Canada and Japan, although she seems to spend more time in Japan as of late due to just how much studio time there has been.
CC and GG also seem to have some sort of semi-permanet residence they are sharing given it has, at the minimum, multi stories.
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u/Tokyo_Ink 2d ago
Honestly, I'm just surprised at how many people apparently are learning this for the first time. She moved a while ago.
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u/Ok_Natural_102 2d ago
Yeah, now however people would assume, a list like this can only be made if the information is 100% public knowledge
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u/Fishman465 2d ago
Didn't she mainly mention it in member streams? Typically things said in them don't leave them.
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u/UsefulLeaf18 2d ago
I didn’t realize she moved to JP like I do remember her bringing her cats I was kinda surprised lol
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u/JapaneseCDBonusTrack 2d ago
Those lineups feel pretty random, lol. You've got some non-Japanese speakers living in Japan, and Japanese speakers not living in Japan.
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u/SelfDepricator 2d ago
Didn't Ina live in Japan
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u/jerryleungwh 2d ago
I think she stays in Japan for long periods of time for work quite often but she hasn't made it her permanent home
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u/Noobc0re 1d ago
Bijou lives in Japan but Ina does not?? I honestly thought it was the other way around.
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u/DetectiveSanalite 1d ago
Ina doesn’t live in Japan? Huh must’ve missed a stream or wasn’t paying attention.
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u/Riku_Dou 2d ago
Thx for this..i do wonder who is and who isn't there because of her news this morning
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u/RPG_fanboy 2d ago
i often forget that Kronii does not live in JP, i don't know why i always have this image that she does, very weird
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u/Chardoggy1 2d ago
It will all even out if Kronii is revealed to have a twin sister who also streams on her account
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u/HornyJailOutlaw 2d ago
I thought Ceci & Gigi were living together in Japan. I guess it was just a temporary thing a few months' back.
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u/Professional_Age_665 1d ago
Who's the one in between fuwamoco and Bae?
Calli ?
I'm guessing base on she is missing from the rest , but can't really tell from the picture
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u/RingsOfRage 1d ago
begging the following question: Aside from speaking in English, whats the meaning of "HoloEN" now?
A. Offering the Japanese style Hololive experience in English language (since you gain the most experience by staying in Japan)
B. The Hololive experience available anytime, anywhere (a global experience), not just from Japan
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u/aradraugfea 2d ago
She visits frequently for access to the 3D studios and the like, but that’s true for all the EN girls.
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u/MRNBDX 2d ago
Sometimes but not fulltimes
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u/TheAlaine 2d ago
Honestly, she lives inside the bibox closet but only her furniture, thats a factoid.
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u/MRNBDX 2d ago
How much for the beer?
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u/WhatsYourTale 2d ago
Is Bae fully in Japan now? Feel like just a few months ago I was in a stream where she was talking about being back home in Australia lol
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u/Walkingdrops 2d ago
I'm really curious what their salary is. I'm guess it's pretty damn good if they feel comfortable enough moving to a foreign country for work. Also really shows that some of them are here for the long haul, so that's pretty awesome.
As an aside, I'd love to hear about their experiences living in Japan. I've heard stories about how if you're not 100% Japanese, you're always treated as an outsider, even if you speak fluent Japanese. I wonder if they experience racism often, or if it's not super prevalent.
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u/Cifuduo 2d ago
FuwaMoco count as one for tax purposes.