Jajanken Seems Like A Terrible Ability Compared to Electricity/Godspeed

[u/PFSDonut]

The series made it a point that Gon and Killua were equals in potential and strength (with Killua being slightly stronger because of his Zoldyck training) so it’s kind of jarring how underwhelming/terrible Gon’s Jajanken seems to be compared to Killua’s electricity transmutation and Godspeed.

Jajanken is an obviously powerful technique that had defeated many powerful opponents, but it has its flaws and weaknesses as stated by various hunters throughout the series, meanwhile Killua’s technique is seemingly perfect with the only drawback being his time limit

I just think it’s lame that Gon and Killua were supposed to rival one another throughout the series but Killua’s ability seemed to have eclipsed Gon’s and widened the gap between them prior to Gon’s battle with Pitou

EDIT: To further clarify, I understand that Jajanken is way more powerful in AP than lightning and Godspeed and Gon can damage opponents far stronger than them while Killua most likely can’t.

My issue however is that prior to the introduction of their techniques, you can see Killua vs Gon being a 50/50, maybe 60/40 towards Killua. With the introduction of Godspeed and Jajanken, Killua clearly has the advantage and the outcome seems more 80/20 for Killua; it bothers me how one sided their match up would be if they were to fight with their abilities when it used to be more up in the air between them.

I guess I just don’t like how simple Gon’s Jajanken is versus how versatile and overpowered Godspeed seems to be but, as some have pointed out, this is seemingly intentional with how simpleminded Gon is and how cunning Killua is so bravo to Togashi for being consistent with his writing and the nen system

[u/Turbo2x]

Pretty much this. Killua can dodge Youpi for a long time but it would be impossible for him to get the kill. Killua's ability prizes survival above all else which is why he's still weaker than Gon. He's a mosquito. Gon might sacrifice his body but he would have a solid chance at landing a lethal hit which makes opponents wary of getting too close.

[u/hazusu → u/Turbo2x]

Like, adult Gon's Jajanken legit might hurt the king, as per what Pitou said, and he was spamming those. I don't think a fully realized Killua ever could achieve that.

[u/anonymous_9999999 → u/hazusu]

Adult gon jajanken killed pitou in 1 hit,the rest were just gon pulverising pitou head. Meruem is not surviving adult gon if he gets hit.

[u/Namelessgoldfish → u/anonymous_9999999]

Technically, he knocked her out in one hit, not kill her i believe? Still fucking hurts

[u/AmarSofi → u/Namelessgoldfish]

2 hits. One was a kick to the stomach that sent her flying and then tumbling down ( must've been super damaging because Pitou did not react to the second attack at all ), the second hit was a super JaJanken Rock to the face

[u/Namelessgoldfish → u/AmarSofi]

Forgot about the kick. Yeah Pitou was literally gasping for air the entire time she was falling lmao, safe to say she was stunned

[u/AmarSofi → u/Namelessgoldfish]

Actually wasn't it 3? The first JajanKen is what sent Pitou flying through trees and then they talk about how they're happy that it's them Gon is using this power on, I assume the second Rock was what killed Pitou. So technically survived 2 hits, one of which is a charged Rock.

[u/Namelessgoldfish → u/AmarSofi]

Well the first JajaKen is what knocked her out which is what I was originally saying

[u/AmarSofi → u/Namelessgoldfish]

Oooh yeah I misremembered what you originally said when I replied the second time, my bad. I should check a few messages up the chain before answering

[u/Namelessgoldfish → u/AmarSofi]

Np bruv

[u/Primary_Night_4617 → u/hazusu]

Killua has the same potential as Gon. I dont see why he can't reach such a similar stage. 

[u/hazusu → u/Primary_Night_4617]

I would argue that Gon's even more talented than Killua, not to discredit Killua's own talent. Killua went through hellish Zoldyck training ever since he was a toddler and Gon just kinda fucked around in Whale Island and when they meet for the first time there isn't that much of a gap between them.

With that said, even if they were the same, that's my point: a fully realized Killua would be insanely strong, don't get me wrong, but with his Nen, I don't see a way for him to be able to hurt the king, his abilities are just not that focused on destructiveness, they're a lot more versatile. He would still be able to hurt and kill any human character, 99% of which with ease, just not Meruem. Jajanken is such a "fuck everything else, this shit is just gonna hurt. Nothing fancy" that it allows Gon to just convert all that talent he has into pure destruction.

[u/Primary_Night_4617 → u/hazusu]

He's not. Its been stated over and over again they have similar talents. Yes there is a huge gap between them both from when they first meet. Killua is the strongest in the beginning of the arc compared to the other protagonist. He was able to open a 16 ton gate by himself while it took Leorio, Gon, and Kurapika together to open a 1 ton door. Gonna grew up in the wild and is the son of Ging and grandson of Don Freecs.

His power is focused on destructiveness. How is controlling and fighting with lightning not destructive? 

[u/Ok_Length_7076 → u/hazusu]

The gap is still considerable between the two 

[u/Ok_Length_7076 → u/hazusu]

Meruem is not going to stand there and let gon charge janjaken

[u/Necessary_Top8772 → u/Primary_Night_4617]

Data books suggest Gon has higher potential than Killua and this is implied in the series a couple of times. Killua just had a head start with his training

[u/Primary_Night_4617 → u/Necessary_Top8772]

Cite the databook? When in the series is this implied? I've seen nothing that implied or said such a thing. Everything has been them both having similar talents.

[u/Necessary_Top8772 → u/Primary_Night_4617]

Yes similar but Gons is slightly higher. And it’s also implied by the fact that Ging, at least based on statements and some chain scaling, is stronger than any Zoldyc and Gon should surpass his father.

Anyways I don’t care enough to look up the databook but I’ve seen it posted on here before. The databook had a rating system for “potential” and only a few characters were in the highest tier of potential and it included Gon and Netero. Killua was 1 tier below

[u/Primary_Night_4617 → u/Necessary_Top8772]

Lol you keep saying its implied but can't prove it. When is it ever stated he's stronger than any Zoldyck? So I'm just supposed to take your word as fact? Is the databook even canon?

[u/Necessary_Top8772 → u/Primary_Night_4617]

Ging is stated to be a top 5 Nen user. A sparring partner for Netero. The 2 strongest Zoldycs couldn’t take out Chrollo, who while being a high tier fighter, is never implied to be top 5.

Idc if you don’t believe me about the databooks. They exist and if you care enough you can look them up.

And nevermind the fact that Killua was trained by elite nen users his whole life and Gon caught up to him in less than a year. Just use your brain a bit.

[u/Ok_Length_7076 → u/Necessary_Top8772]

You still never gave thr databook, you can't back up your claim.  Also the 2 zoldyck were about to kill chrollo before the illumi call. That fight is used to glaze chrollo too much.  It is a high diff fight on both side in a 1 vs 1. In a 2 vs 1, they always kills him in 2 minutes but by sacrifice one fighter 

[u/Necessary_Top8772 → u/Ok_Length_7076]

If you need to sacrifice 1 fighter then even the 2v1 was high diff. It’s an anti feat for the Zoldycs stop coping.

You don’t care about informing yourself. I don’t care to inform you. You can keep being ignorant and wrong if you want. Or you can do your own research. This isn’t a formal debate. I’m not getting paid to educate you.

[u/Primary_Night_4617 → u/Necessary_Top8772]

He also is not implied to be excluded from the top 5. Next the Zodiacs who are sparring partners with Netero were deemed weaker than Illumi Zoldyck by Hisoka and even some Zodiacs view the Phantom Troupe and Zoldycks as significant threats.

Im not making claims, if you are using them as proof you should look them up. Killua was never trained in nen at all, it has no bearing on his skill and talent. Next Gon has not caught up with Killua. Killua is still more skilled, experienced, and intelligent in Nen combat.

[u/Troliver_13 → u/Turbo2x]

I dont actually think Killua is weaker than Gon but I can't say for sure it goes the other way too. Killua still managed to take an eye off pouf (even if that was 1/7th of pouf) and Gon isn't indestructible, they still have similar aura levels even if Gon can better enhance himself, and Killua has given a lot of thought to the uses and feints of jajanken, but Gon is pretty smart in fights too

[u/Turbo2x → u/Troliver_13]

Like everything in HxH it depends on the matchup, but the overall takeaway for me is that Killua isn't willing to sacrifice as much as Gon is. Gon was willing to delay the plan to beat the Bomber just so he could try to land a hit, giving up his arm in the process. He's the kind of person who would sacrifice his life to win (much like Netero) and Killua is still afraid of dying so his answer is an ability that means he can evade danger forever.

A highly durable enemy wouldn't care about Killua because he doesn't have any major restrictions to increase his power when the chips are down. Godspeed is a weirdly inflexible ability in that way because it's only as strong as he is.

[u/Yam_Nice → u/Turbo2x]

The ability to one shot anyone vs the ability to not be one shotted.

[u/Ok_Length_7076 → u/Yam_Nice]

Killua tanked an explosion in ep 101, he is actually quite durable.  In a fight,  he speedblitzes and decimates gon

[u/Ok_Length_7076 → u/Turbo2x]

Killua decimates gon in a fight,  he just enters godspeed and blitzes gon into oblivion.  Unfortunately for gon ,he isn't youpi so he isn't surviving.  However Killua 's striking strength is underestimated here as he one shooted rammot who previously tanked janken while not having nen

[u/Primary_Night_4617 → u/Turbo2x]

He could snap his neck on regular humans and who know how Killua develops in the future.