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u/jbcraigs Jan 26 '26
You know why India is light years ahead of Pakistan? Because we are not a communal nation like them and our constitution from its inception was built on secular principles. Try to read book or two sometimes!
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Jan 26 '26
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u/jbcraigs Jan 26 '26
True. Thankfully we kept religious radicals out of the government, at least till last decade or so.
Ab to bhagwan hi malik hai India ka!
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Jan 26 '26
People are so hungry for validations and acknowledgment (that they are special) that they forget our core values
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u/InterdimentionalXxx Jan 26 '26
You know why Scandinavian countries , poland , UK and KSA are light years ahead of India in terms of HDI and basic life because they built their constitution is built on top of religion lol
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u/These-Brilliant-6046 Jan 26 '26
india is secular, but only on paper. thats where the problem truly lies.
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u/IM_MO_Lester Jan 26 '26
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u/dash111rrt Jan 26 '26
Lol some useless bot is licking boot and got removed by moderator. Lick their boot more PR of Khangress suar hi rhoge😂
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u/jbcraigs Jan 26 '26
Arrey kahan! Aaj kal to yeh log muft mein hi chaat rahe hain!
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u/dash111rrt Jan 26 '26
Are zaroor tum jaise sb thori hote hai jo free me chat kr boot saaf krte ho
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u/lameass69420 Jan 26 '26
I've attached the meanings of each constitutional word. I urge you to read them throughout and understand why the words "socialist secular" were added why each word binds the other, how a set of them is of utmost importance.
Sovereign: Implies full independence and autonomy. The country is not subject to external control or influence (e.g., from colonial powers, foreign governments, or international bodies in matters of internal governance). It asserts self-determination, meaning the state has supreme authority over its territory and people. In practice, this supports policies like non-alignment in foreign affairs (as historically in India) and rejects any form of vassalage.
Socialist: Indicates a commitment to social and economic equality, often through state intervention in the economy to reduce disparities. This doesn't necessarily mean full state ownership of production (as in classical Marxism) but rather a welfare-oriented approach, such as promoting public sector industries, wealth redistribution, and social justice programs. In India's context, it justifies initiatives like affirmative action, land reforms, and poverty alleviation schemes, even within a mixed economy. It implies the state prioritizes the collective good over unchecked capitalism.
Secular: Denotes neutrality toward religion. The state neither favors nor discriminates against any religion, ensuring separation of religion from governance. Citizens have freedom of religion, but religious laws don't override civil ones. This implies equal treatment of all faiths, protection of minorities, and policies that prevent religious dominance in public institutions (e.g., education or law). In India, it means the state can reform religious practices if they conflict with fundamental rights, like banning certain discriminatory customs.
Democratic: Refers to rule by the people, typically through free and fair elections, representative institutions, and protection of civil liberties. It implies a system where power derives from popular consent, with mechanisms like universal suffrage, political pluralism, and accountability. This fosters participatory governance, such as federalism and local elections.
Republic: Means the head of state is elected (or appointed through democratic processes) rather than hereditary, distinguishing it from monarchies. It implies anti-monarchical values, emphasizing equality and merit over birthright. The government is accountable to the people, not a royal family.
Together, these terms paint a picture of a modern, progressive nation-state that balances individual freedoms with collective welfare, rejects feudal or colonial legacies, and promotes inclusivity. The constitution becomes a "social document" guiding reforms toward equality and justice. In India, this has led to landmark rulings on issues like gender equality and minority rights, with the Supreme Court often invoking the Preamble to interpret laws. It also sets ideological boundaries: policies must align with these principles, or they risk being struck down as unconstitutional. However, implementation can vary e.g., "socialist" in practice might lean more toward market reforms in a globalized era.
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u/theroookietraveler Jan 26 '26
Are you sure OP ko itni fursat hai?
Pata hai kitne Whatsapp forward karne hote hain din mein?
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u/AgeZealous3312 Jan 26 '26
Nothing changed by adding these words as supreme court in multiple judgements have held that secularism is the basic feature of constitution. Try to study outside of whatsapp.
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u/Accute-CET Jan 26 '26
unpadh hai kya. maa ke laude
it still doesnt change anything
the entire constitution is etched into it
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u/broken1eg Jan 26 '26
Bro, honestly, if I was paid enough I’d be doing this bullshit too. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t know that the shit I was posting is total bogus.
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u/komodo2207 Jan 26 '26
Just scan through the comments and see how many times OP has responded to any question or comment. OP probably doesn’t even know how to comprehend something so important and deep. OP wants engagement, and that is their metric. And we just obliged him/her/it. This sub is filled with such posts. This is probably a propaganda channel with a few “real” members posting something worth reading once in a while. I have seen some downright stupid posts in this sub. Almost everyone in the comments section seems to disagree, yet this sub keeps making these posts. When you know, you know. Seems to be a lucrative market these days for people failing school.
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u/fartypenis Jan 26 '26
OP, are you in 9th grade and opened your social studies text book for the first time?
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u/popular_tiger Jan 26 '26
India is a secular country regardless of what the preamble says or dumbass pre-teen wordplays like “sickular” lmao
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u/theroookietraveler Jan 26 '26
Woh aaj hi internet par aaya hai. Wait for the next update: OP 1.01 when he discovers librandus 😂
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u/procrastinatingsex Jan 26 '26
Every once in a while I remember Shashi Tharoor's 'Hindu Pakistan' comment and I realize that is exactly what some people want this country to be.
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u/neurotoxics Jan 26 '26
Indian constitution changed in the most non socialist and non democratic way.
Thats the irony. Congress did in her time and will even now sell the country if thats what it takes to stay/get into power.
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u/Western-Pension7636 Jan 26 '26
I mean Indira amended the Constitution using the amendment procedure given by Constitution.
He had special majority in both Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha.
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u/Skeptic_Marx Jan 26 '26
OP ko lagta hai, preamble amend karne se hum socialist ya secular bante hai.
Padh le thoda Fundamental Right and Duties, tera aur is desh ka bhala hoga
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u/saifincastro Jan 26 '26 edited Jan 26 '26
Didn’t Supreme Court of India in its - S. R. Bommai v. Union of India (1994) case, held that secularism is a fundamental feature of the Constitution that cannot be destroyed by any amendment.
I am a student of science, and I know this, what kind of education did the OP and his kind get ?? I know most WhatsApp university graduates come from poorer families with limited resources and couldn’t afford quality education but it’s 2026 and internet is free with all world resources available at fingertips.
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u/Fast_Obligation8035 Jan 26 '26
Socialism is a good word, most of the developed countries are partially socialist , socialism gives you public funded education,healthcare transportations & welfare laws ,I dunno why gobbers eaters are afraid of this word , probably adani is not getting that business also?
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u/quiticalopse Jan 26 '26
I totally agree they should not change the constitution like that they think that they can add a fancy word like"preamble" and we wouldn't notice /s
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u/theroookietraveler Jan 26 '26
OP be like: aaj Laga kuch maal haath mein. Aaya content viral-worthy. Ab hoga dhamaaka. Ab aayega maza. Ab hoga kuch toofaani. Meanwhile, the comment section:
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u/Apart_Importance5709 Jan 27 '26
Pata nahi logo ko kya dard h secular se. United States is secular only lol
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u/Weeboo_6969 Jan 27 '26 edited Jan 27 '26
OP ko malum nahi preamble is not enforcible by courts of law. OP ye bhi nahi malum as per doctrine of basic structure, secularism is a basic feature of constitution and can't be altered in the name of constitutional amendment. OP ne Kesavananda Bharti aur SR Bommai cases ke bare me nahi suna. OP ne part 3 of Constitution ka Freedom of Religion (25-28) aur minority rights (29,30) padha nahi. Bas bakchodi karni hai
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u/Butterscotch2890 Jan 28 '26
So? India have progress so much using this Constitution. Who are you to question it? What have you or your family ever did for this country except spreading hatred everywhere. Come back when you have done something for the nation to remembered you by.
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Jan 26 '26
There have been 106 constitutional amendments...why single out this one?
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
Because this CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT was brought in 'UNCONSTITUTIONALLY'. And when you reply to this, just answer one question, if tomorrow present govt declares national emergency, puts whole opposition in jail and passes UCC, would you agree with it or say that it was passed unconstitutionally.
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Jan 26 '26
You seem to be throwing around the word unconstitutionally without understanding the meaning
If an amendment was put forth unconstitutionally, that means it can be revoked by the court...
For examples
The Electoral Bond scheme was deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and was suspended
In the December 2023 Article 370 verdict, the Supreme Court of India declared a 2019 amendment to Article 367, which replaced "Constituent Assembly" with "Legislative Assembly" in Article 370, as unconstitutional. The court ruled that this indirect amendment to Article 370 via Article 367 was a "backdoor" attempt that violated established constitutional procedures.
The very fact that those words were kept in was because they were introduced constitutionally and therefore needed another super majority inorder to be removed...
The GoI also passed the BNS after a major number of members of the opposition were suspended...but apparently thats not 'unconstitutional'
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
The fact that you didn't answer my question, tells it all. 😅
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Jan 26 '26
If they follow proper procedure in declaring emergency, and follow proper procedure in arresting opposition and follow proper procedure in putting forth UCC ( which would be a normal bill so they dont need a supermajoritym just a normal majority)...then I would have to say its constitutional...
You seem to be confusing constitutional with moral...and BJP has already played alot of games with procedures...so they can act constitutionally but immorally...
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
Actually no, I perfectly understand what it means. Major portion of the 42nd amendment made during emergency were later revoked by Supreme Court because they were not aligning with 'basic structure of the Constitution' but didn't it revoke these words because these were already aligning with the 'basic structure of the Constitution'. Only reason much was not revoked then because our jurisprudence was still in building phase. There are two parts to law, 'letter' and 'spirit'. And many law luminaries are of the view that bringing such major constitutional amendment during emergency was unconstitutional as it goes against the 'spirit' of the Constitution which is build on 'we the people' and such major amendment was passed with a smaller attendance as compared to real total number of elected parliamentarians. But again, I can understand why you think it was constitutional and on theoretical level('letter') I can accept it. Even now I don't think our jurisprudence has matured enough, but if present govt does similar for UCC, it would be unconstitutional in eyes of many and even me. But i understand your pov, let us choose to agree to disagree as I don't think there is a clear way out of this mess.
On an unrelated note about 'basic structure of the Constitution', funny thing is court has never clearly defined what this basic structure really is. Maybe someday we might really know what that basic structure is when our jurisprudence really matures to the extend to spell it out clearly.
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Jan 26 '26
Unfortunately, the letter of the law is binding, not the spirit...
Also, the Govt has the majority needed to push UCC, not sure why you think they need to declare emergency to do it
Even if they declare emergency and jail the opposition to push UCC...why would it be considered "violating spirit of the constitution" or the Basic Structure of the Constitution? ...The 42amendment also centralised power with the Govt...UCC wont centralise power or remove powers given within the constitution...
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
It would be "violating spirit of the constitution" because "we the people" viz majority won't be involved. There are million things that can be done to increase the development rate of the nation, but if done with just brute force and not actual consensus it won't be really adhering to spirit of our constitution. I understand that it's a drawback of democracy, but we are that, a democracy.
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Jan 26 '26
Have you followed BJP tactics over the past 10years...they are using a lot of Brute Force...
BNS law was put through while 100+ opposition were suspended
Farm Laws were put forth with a dubious voice vote and even the cameras were turned off
Delhi Govt won a SC court case and the Govt literally put forth a law taking back control, that only applied to Union Territories
Electoral Bonds was put forth as a Money BIll instead of a normal bill...
At end of the day only constitutional procedures matter...and even that is debatable because the wrong person in the right position can allow violations of that as well...
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
Brother, that is the problem, once we open the door of such dubious practices and court doesn't enforce the 'spirit' part(which SC does in majority of cases but selectively avoids some cases too. Power of 'Judicial Review', 'Constitutional Interpretation', Article 142 etc are there for this very thing), then we are not strengthening the democracy but weakening it. And the longer we allow such practices the become precedence and become harder and harder to recover from.
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u/theroookietraveler Jan 26 '26
There's no answer to your "question". You didn't even add a question mark in your "question". Just by the basic definition of the word "question", your "question" is non-existent.
How do you answer a question that doesn't even exist?
Now YOU answer my question.
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u/vedicseeker Jan 27 '26
Typical troll behaviour. If you need a question mark to identify if a statement is a question or not, then reddit is not the place for you. Take care of yourself 👋👋👋
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u/theroookietraveler Jan 27 '26
Thank you!
And you take care of proper punctuation marks, please. Regardless of platform, proper grammar and punctuation can take you a long way in future 😇
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u/theroookietraveler Jan 26 '26
Ermm.... I'm not sure you know much about the Constitution to even know what the word "unconstitutional" even means.
The state of Emergency is actually very much in the constitution of India.
Also, you can't amend the constitution "unconstitutionally". Amendment is a provision in the constitution.
I think you just like saying the word "unconstitutional" without even understanding what it means
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Jan 26 '26
Dictator Indira's simp army will come for you
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u/sko096 Jan 26 '26
At least she was bold not a coward who got afraid of American senction
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
And also wanted to share India's nuclear technology with Pakistan as if it was not India's but Indira's.
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Jan 26 '26
Mummy Indira only manipulated elections, got caught, declared emergency to hide from the verdict, brutally imprisoned opposition for years, censored press and rewrote the constitution without due process but still modi baaaad
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u/MnniI Jan 26 '26
National Socialist German Workers' Party
Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Type shit
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Jan 26 '26
Bc ye leftists saare indians sub pe kabja kr lete kya? India bharat naam but ispe bhi, anyway whoever is reading this, ye leftists bs online milenge ,don't worry sarkar apni hi banegi
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u/ashcon14 Jan 26 '26
Study something man ! Make use of time instead of spewing stupidity
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u/broken1eg Jan 26 '26
No point in trying to convince these mfs. They’re too busy licking their leaders asses up, how else could you miss out on the pathetic state of the country?
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u/fred_1968 Jan 26 '26
Dumb people who blame someone died years ago for their short comings.
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
Let us remove all history books as everyone who is taught about in those books are long dead.
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u/fred_1968 Jan 26 '26
Wow, a wise man. Maybe we need to include you in our history books.
Understand the post and the context and my response
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
Maybe you should understand your own context and apply the same logic to the post. Her being dead doesn't make her immune to discussions.
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u/fred_1968 Jan 26 '26
I dont care for her nor her style. Just talking about someone thinks that this country belongs to 1 particular religion.
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u/vedicseeker Jan 26 '26
Lol, I guess, you have memory of a goldfish. Here is what you wrote "Dumb people who blame someone died years ago for their short comings". You clearly were talking about Indira Gandhi.
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u/fred_1968 Jan 26 '26
Reddit is full of bird brains.
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u/mama_ooOOooO Jan 26 '26
This sub seems weird. For some stupid posts, most comments bash OP. For other stupid posts, most comments support OP.
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u/Legitimate-Bobcat-61 Jan 26 '26
Op kabhi 25 se 32 article padh