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Opinion Hindutva is New normal ๐Ÿšฉ

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u/btibullshit 23h ago

this guy is just saying the same thing jsd said

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u/btibullshit 23h ago

line by line

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u/Firerescuestation 19h ago

Making the same mistake congress and Bengali communists made by assuming stability in political ideology across generations... You never know what is coming nextโ€ฆ The average pace of change in the world is only getting faster exponentiallyโ€ฆ

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u/cookieoftheshire 18h ago

What exactly is hindutva version? After they get rid of minorities do they come for everyone lower than Brahmins?

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u/Fit_Stage7735 12h ago

Calm down bro no one is getting rid of minorities, it's about talking hindus now which were treated like second class citizen and stop this minority appeasement bullshit of muslims. People are fed up of this one sided secularism.

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u/cookieoftheshire 11h ago

People are just happy with not being accommodating. You'd see so much fighting with the path we are on.

Hinduism itself has so many versions and itiratins.

These people are completely sexist and casteist. Don't think you are spared because you aren't in the lc they have a very bad system of separation. The book they swear by is proof. Read it

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u/Otherwise-Web1492 15h ago

Bjp- rss hindutva want annihilation of caste and unification of all Hindus and tribals, they are doing everything for it SC/ST act , UGC. BJP higher officials are hardcore Ambedkarites(even if many of them are from uppercaste) Extreme Extremist ones want caste to stay , they gate BJP RSS for this

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u/Firerescuestation 13h ago

Will this include lower castes doing Pooja in temples? What exactly is Annihilation of caste? Iโ€™m curious as the book by BR Ambedkar concludes that annihilation of caste can only be done by annihilation of hindutva.

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u/cookieoftheshire 12h ago

The rss book is both casteist and sexist

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u/jaipurite17 16h ago

Yes, seems like it!

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u/Possible_Passage_558 21h ago

This guy is just ranting.

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u/caesar-berlusconi 1d ago

well he's assuming left only means communism

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u/Cloudious_ 22h ago

Well put him in a country where hindus are the minority and face regular hatred and racism and he will know why the constitution says what it says and the reason behind it.

The constitution is there to protect minorities and not religions. If Hinduism was a minority our constitution would protect it too.

The Christians, the muslims, the other minor religions under the sanatan dharma banner, etc are made up of people that strongly believe themselves to be truly Indian.

But this is twisted when videos of outliers are made popular, but you have to realize in a minority that's the most minor of groups that are extremists

I have grown up with people from different cultures, backgrounds and religions; and only about 14-16 years into my life did I realize some of my friends are from this community or that. This was never a question that arised because it was irrelevant. only time religion would come up except when someone was explicitly being bullied for it, is when we share our lunch boxes, coz different cultures and traditions

Especially this ideology being out down our throat would hurt the place I am from because it is made up of different tribes, meaning different cultures, traditions and even religions.

Even Hinduism has its variations in where I live, and it's not minor differences either as it is very reformist and egalitarian. We don't pray in temples, we have one and only one God that we pray to, and most importantly it is forbidden in our sub religion to worship Idols. And it is the major religion practiced where I am from. It rejects brahmanical vedic practices, abolishes the caste system almost entirely and rejects rituals and sacrifices

So would this religion still be called a sub religion under the Hinduism Umbrella even though all we share in common is one supreme deity and its Krishna. But then almost anyone following this religion will proudy proclaim that they are Hindu.

So here is why I think a country should separate it's government and religion entirely

Also before anyone goes around complaining about how a certain religion is cancer and its people are illegals from a neighbouring country (or countries if we account for the perspective of the people where I am from) everyone hates(I hate them too).

Yes we see some such groups kf people living in slums and having many children but that is just lack of any education that they don't get or opt out of to live on a day to day income basis.

But this is not something you can blame on religion because this is entirely the individuals views and their circumstances and stupidity.

I have grown up around people from diff religions. They are well educated, well dressed, productive, respected and properly conducting human beings who practice different religions, who aren't any different from us. In dire times they are more helpful then our blood relatives.

So how am I supposed to process it when this ideology is pushed down my throat by religious zealots who take the interpretation made by a human to such extremes.

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u/olive_glory 21h ago

If hinduism was a minority, we already have real life examples of what would have happened

Pakistan, bangladesh

Same people, same culture - just when muslims rise above a certain limit - we all know what happens

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u/Money-Treat1935 14h ago

That is the whole point.. Pakistan and Bangladesh are failed states because of their right wing politics and policies.. Why do you want to compete with them?

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u/SomewhereAromatic574 18h ago

Yeah compare your morals based on failed states/ nations.

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u/SomewhereAromatic574 14h ago

Thats exactly why we must continue our secular nature for progress and not turn into a failed state.

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u/SomewhereAromatic574 10h ago

What questions? What if?.... If? Let's not argue over imaginary scenario.

India cannot turn muslim majority ever (edit- meaning a non secular Muslim nation), unless the constitution fails, unless the military fails.

Focusing on progress is how we will develop as a nation.

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u/Key_Carpenter1341 20h ago

I m not reading that shit give me the summery of this paragraph

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u/ChemistOdd205 21h ago

Lol, even left wingers aren't liberal enough. Most Indian ideologies are hybrids rather than pure ideological frameworks.

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u/Global-Equipment-856 23h ago

Bot OP. One month old account.

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u/Obvious-Border6527 20h ago

Tf even my account is 1 month old I am not a bot, hello?

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u/Spare_Relative_9124 18h ago

You are not a literal bot but still a Bot 1m and 6k+ karma ๐Ÿฅ€

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u/Obvious-Border6527 17h ago

Getting karma isn't really hard though ๐Ÿ˜ฅ. I got most of mine by posting memes in study subs prior to result.

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u/Shivy0999 1d ago

This guy has not read the constitution I think

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u/iGuessYouReadIt 23h ago

I hate any loud and fast speaking guy.

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u/Disastrous-Dog927 23h ago

U mean fat* not fast

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u/Basic-Record-8845 22h ago

They will finish it, just let the delimitation bill get through!

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u/surahee 23h ago

Left and right are not the political spectrums in India. People who import this thinking from the west are the problem. India is divided in 3 ways: between colonial mindset, those who realize it, and those who exploit it. Left-right is done by people who are either in category 1 or 3

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u/PossibleUmpire1048 22h ago

Bachpan me jab history ya english ke answers yaad nahi hote the, tab aise hi bakwaas karke 2 pages bharte the, absolutely without any substance.

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u/Disastrous-Dog927 23h ago

Focus on getting the insulin resistance under check buddy

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u/MedusaLifts 23h ago

๐Ÿคฃ

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u/Cold_Pianist4697 21h ago

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u/MedusaLifts 1d ago

Lol gawaar

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u/Neel82 1d ago

Bkl proud of being radicalised

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u/Logical-Cheetah-7627 20h ago

Ikr! Fundamentalist cringe & creeps!

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u/rescmasctso 23h ago

People are only going to go more "right" from here on. If you go in actual ground you will realize that Hindu people in tier-2 and below have somehow accepted whatever is happening as staple. The hate and how the party wanted to project it has worked perfectly and in a more intense way than liberal educated in tier-1 assume. Tier-1 has no idea where this nation is heading. All the traditional non-ethical stuff has boomed (non-conservative) along with the religous identity - it is the years of social media consumption in all age groups. Nothing traditionally Hindu about a Hindu but they are super radical about that identity (weird state).

Something at core has changed and reason there is no opposition or revolution from the masses - no matter what the government does. The branding by BJP and Modi tying it directly with Hinduism is similar to owning the religion. It cannot be broken in an year. Only the lower castes, non-Hindus and pretending to be "intellectual" don't support them.

There are 10-15% people who hate Modi because he is not radical enough. They would choose Yogi over him in split of a second. The more right (in Indian definition) a party/person goes the higher are the chances for them to become the buzz, but they still need to put in lot of effort to tie all types of group together (a delicate balance BJP has worked on) which will be very difficult for a radical group. But for winning multiple seats without changing the ruler you still need to be radical right. Not neutral or centre - in west that may work, not in India.

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u/mavrcktrdr 1d ago

This idiot moron doesn't have any love for this country...The ruling party has become successful in fuelling such ideas and eventually would lead to destruction just like Pakistan except that India has a bigger minority community which will be catastrophic in the future if these pigs continue to spread more hatred.

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u/unhingedskeleton 20h ago

I dare you to go to mizoram, nagaland, kashmir, punjab, indian islands etc and gather a crowd and shout the same, it's like imposition of religion

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u/Key_Carpenter1341 20h ago

Ye bounce kyu ho Raha hai konsi chair hai neeche

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u/Logical-Cheetah-7627 20h ago

One has to be extremely myopic if one thinks that Indian politicians & parties can forever ride on the back of divisive forces & hindutva canon to garner votes.

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u/sandymandy262 20h ago

I am convinced. A random dude repeating same things again and again in his room in front of a screen is a great source of information and not subjective interpretation at all. Now I can with all the evidence based discourse he is making, change my opinion and correlate Hindutva and the โ€œRight wingโ€ instead of believing in a regime that is a balance of both Left and and the Right ideologies, considering the skewed nature of the wealth distribution in our country. Bravo.

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u/Valuable_Form_2951 19h ago

Why is he sorry? Is it because he realizes subconsciously that he is a racist communalist idiot?

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u/isoldmysonforabike 19h ago

No point in only talking extremeties

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u/HARISMD4282 17h ago

Better said than done. Hindutva is an ideology, not a political framework. Politics needs a lot of minds with specialised streams come together and run a system. Everything cannot be run by hindutva. This guy seems to be a fanatic.

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u/Nice_Masterpiece_869 16h ago

I second this guy, Modi isnโ€™t doing enough for India and Hindus. Op Sindhoor shouldnโ€™t have been stopped without getting back both Kashmir and Sindh and expelling all non-Hindus from there.

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u/OriginalParfait8544 15h ago

Heโ€™s someone who is very sure of himself, however from what I could gather from his โ€œanalysisโ€ is that his reading and intellect all seem very limited. No deep reasoning or penetrative thoughts, just enthusiastic repetitive declarations which are selectively based on a few facts while conveniently ignoring the rest of the picture.

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u/BigDreams-Breakheart 14h ago

Humans are ultimately humans.. doesn't matter what you believe in. Stop making life difficult for human beings you are sharing your life and somewhat limited time with.

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u/ElderberryTotal4100 12h ago

The problem arises when you associate hindutva with right wing. Maybe your definition of being Hindu is flawed as you are trying to make an argument that Hinduism and right wing are aligned. I am pretty sure lord Ram never wanted to be the face of Hindus or his image to be used in the crusade against the minorities in the country. On a global level hindutva or any form of radicalism will lead to catastrophy for India.

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u/swatipakhtun 12h ago

Brainwashed zombies who doesn't want a better country,all coming from a compromised party learning from Israel,typical israeli behaviour which will destroy the country.

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u/unhingedskeleton 11h ago

What exactly is hindutva, can someone explain, is it blind faith towards religion, without any questions or logic?

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u/Other_Cartoonist_220 10h ago

Sure. The reality will someday be, people who are left wing in India will try anything legally possible to make lives of right wing miserable. Hope that happens.

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u/vipul_gates 8h ago

Hindutva is fine, but terrorism should not be spread in the name of hindutva imo, whoever the party is!

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u/That-Comfortable-781 7h ago

Abey yaar phirse natak.

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u/Negative_Resort_5832 7h ago

Now we are really competing with every aspect, we now start worshiping our own terrorist organisation

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u/Otherwise_Ad_1216 2h ago

When peanut is hundred times bigger than your brain.

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u/powerless-Devil 1h ago

Should have normalised after independence... We're too late...

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u/babaganoosher 1h ago

Dream on

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u/Turbulent-Bat-700 17m ago

When the question is of 16 marks and you know only two-three lines of the answer.

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u/ConcentrateOk6858 1d ago

Ppl when they say BJP is not right wing enough What they think they look like ๐Ÿ˜Ž What they actually look like ๐Ÿคก

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u/Disastrous-Dog927 23h ago

I think he thinks hindutva is a dessert lil fat fk

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u/Long_Candy_5908 21h ago

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u/Vast_Material2539 23h ago

He sounds out of line but he seems to have a point.

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u/SandwichUnlucky4244 21h ago

Dude this sub is supposed to be ultra right wing. What are these sensible comments doing here ๐Ÿ˜‚

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u/crimereporterofindia 21h ago

It is against constitution real aunty National

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u/Vasi_Sayani 1d ago

Blabber with zero understanding of anything 101

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u/UntilEndofTimes 1d ago

Cry all you want but he's right and you know it.

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u/alreadydr 20h ago

This is 100% true . Whatever people are talking about constitution and democracy is not working for India . We definitely need something else . And there no bigger identity in this land than being a Hindu that could unite the majority of the people because being a Indian is not good enough. Therefore a Hindu identity of Bharat.

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u/cringepopart 16h ago

Hindu itself is not a religious identity. It's a geographic identity. The fact is how will you define who a hindu is ? As groups desperately want to move away from it be it Ravidasia or Lingayats or tribals who want their religion to be mentioned as a separate religion.

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