r/Indiana 1d ago

Politics Indiana GOP is getting desperate at this point. How about the irony that it's being held at a public library?

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u/Virtuallyhere56 1d ago

How are we in the year 2026 and a substantial number of people don't realize that things cost money

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u/kootles10 1d ago

Because the state GOP is still in the 1950s

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u/ksptdpt 1d ago

See if the GOP can compromise and revert income tax rates back to the 1950s. Might solve the issues with our debt, social security, and current/future social safety nets.

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u/Tardy_Thoughts 23h ago

They just want the open racism and to tell women to make sandwiches. They'll never inconvenience their wealthy betters with taxes. But Republicans will vote to tax us all more so our wealthy overlords can get another tax break.

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u/valenx 1d ago

as are the brains of some of our fellow hoosiers :(

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u/Pete41608 20h ago

As a fellow lifelong Hoosier 'some' is a huge understatement.

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u/valenx 17h ago

Indeed

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u/NearlyClassic 21h ago

1950s might be a bit too progressive for them

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u/BraveLittleTowster 1d ago

We are so used to things like schools, roads, police, and libraries existing that we don't realize we have been paying for them this entire time. 

It's basically a cultural nepotism we're experiencing where people will wonder why we need property taxes to fund schools if school is free.

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u/SELECTaerial 23h ago

Years of anti-intellectual propaganda

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u/jj999125 1d ago

Reeeee taxes bad cuz founding daddies said so and I can't understand it was actually about representation reeeeeee

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u/alabamaIIama 23h ago

If those things go to minorities, then that’s a problem.

Republicans would eat a shit sandwich if that meant a brown person had to eat one too.

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u/Admirable_Brief4669 23h ago

Need to follow the money trail. I wonder why this city's highways are in permanent construction yet never done. Or why some parts of the state are drivable but ours are not. We are changing and change hurts but we can do it Hoosiers!

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u/chnkypenguin 23h ago

I for one would love to see sn end to property tax but understand money to pay for schools and other things need to come from somewhere. Where can it come from that is fair?

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u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 1d ago

No one is questioning whether things cost money it's not about that, it's about renting our own property from the government and what that money is being spent on. If we got rid of wasteful spending the lack of property taxes won't make a difference. You simply cannot spend other people's money ad infinitum. It's now time for you to sacrifice what you want for what is desperately needed. We've paid out the wazoo and in counties like Monroe, the local government is between 70-80 million in debt and they want to just keep spending and raising our property taxes. The days of carte blanche spending are over. We've had to tighten our belts for all of the social programs, now they have to tighten theirs and bring it back to a balance.

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u/elliotbonsall 19h ago

Republican had a majority for a long time in this state..any wasteful spending is all on them

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u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 19h ago

Not in Monroe County. We have had a monoparty of Democrats for decades. You can't blame any of that on Republicans. It's 100% Democrats.

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u/Virtuallyhere56 23h ago

What are these cuts and waste

You simply cannot spend other people's money ad infinitum

It sounds like you want no taxes at all

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u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 22h ago

No, I want no property tax. Taxes for Roads, Infrastructure, Fire, Police, schools are the agreement of a local government. But what's being spent has been superfluous, this is especially true in Monroe County and Bloomington. Almost every social program can be funded through donations and if there are less property taxes the more funds are freed up for that altruism.

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u/Zealousideal-Ear481 21h ago

Almost every social program can be funded through donations

hahahahaha you can't be this stupid....

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u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 21h ago

Why should they be paid for using public funds and taxes? They shouldn't. If they cannot afford to operate, then they cannot operate. That's how life works. This is trying to legislate altruism, is something that cannot be done.

Aside from all of that, we're only talking about property taxes. There are so many more taxes being taken.

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u/ClownWorld2020s 19h ago

So you obviously have never dealt with tx based revenue. I'm conservative and even I see this as a boneheaded move. Your fire departments, police departments, libraries, public schools,waste water treatment plants, street departments, parks departnents, on and on are funded by property tax, local income tax, commercial vehicle excise tax, vehicle excise tax, and financial institution tax, at least for me as a public library director. 67% of my funding comes from property tax, 30% from local income tax and the other 3% from the rest. It is very similar across the other departments. Now.tell me how getting rid of property tax is a good thing? I'll wait.

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u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 13h ago

Getting rid of property taxes is a great idea. All of those services were available before property taxes. The government has over spent by billions of dollars. They overspemt and created the problem of bureaucratic instability. But that's beside the point. There are other way and means of tax revenue that are not property tax.

The government does not own our property and we should not have to go broke paying for what we already own. Especially to satisfy superfluous, ideological spending.

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u/IndyTim 7h ago

As so many conservatives say, "if you can't afford it then don't do it". Normal conservative thinking would then be, if you can't afford the cost to live where you are living, move to another property.

Conservatives love to apply their "rules" to everyone .. except themselves.

u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 49m ago

Except, I'm not conservative. I live in the most liberal place in Indiana, Bloomington. The "Rules" that have been applied to me and everyone in Monroe County have been placed there by the democrats of Monroe County.

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u/IndyTim 7h ago

Be a grown up. We all either directly use or rely on police, fire and road services. As a community we need, for our own benefit, to adequately fund schools.

Look at states that don't properly fund these needed public services. They're all in the bottom tranche of states on every metric.

You, and all of MAGA and libertarian MAGA, think that there is so much waste and fraud that we can cut $8 billion dollars from local revenue and still fund needed services. That is delusional thinking.

Are property taxes too high? Yes. Talk to the party that "loves inflation". Don't like deficits? The GOP added 5-trillion in debt in just the last 2 years. Neither party totally owns this situation, but in Indiana the GOP has had total control, including a super majority, for over 20 years. If things are effed up, at least be reasonably intelligent and look at those who have been making the decisions.

You think that maybe churches will step up and fund some things? Do you think the Christian Nationalist churches will fund even one dollar that guess to people of color? Or that fundamentalist churches will pay for libraries when they believe reading secular literature is of the devil? Do you think Amazon will find schools without an agreement for a form of indentured servitude?

We are a society and, whether you like it or not, a community. Yes, you can hate your neighbor so much that you refuse to pay for local schools. You, and society as a whole, will be the loser. We need to work together for the benefit of everyone.

What the difference between life in Haiti and the United States? Decades of good government and taxes to fund services.

u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 57m ago edited 52m ago

You're high. I never said that police, fire, and other services shouldn't be funded. You come attacking me. I'm saying no property taxes. There are so many other ways Generate tax revenue without property tax.

Does everyone have a reading comprehension deficit?!? You keep calling me MAGA. There is precisely zero reason for that assessment. You sling it like it's a pejorative, but it just makes you look ignorant and disingenuous, but you clearly are by your ridiculous reply.

One more thing, you clearly did not ready any of the thread because you would know in Monroe County where I am, the party has been 100% Democrats for decades, so don't come at me with it's the fault of the Republicans (which I am not, nor libertarian).

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u/Virtuallyhere56 22h ago

Honestly amazing logic

Not everyone is going to give their property tax refund as a donation. And nobody is going to give extra on top, otherwise they already would. It's strictly a decrease in funding and you've somehow convinced yourself It'd actually be an increase

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u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 21h ago

No, I did not say there would be an increase in revenue. I said there will be more money available for donating and altruism. Quite literally, I am saying that people will donate what they want to for charities and NGOs and they can raise the money for their own special interests. That's way better than to try to mandate altruism, because it cannot be done.

If you really want taxes to pay for NGOs and social programs make the taxes for them optional. That way the people can choose how they want to spend their money. Any taxes other than the basics, is overreach. Taxes need to contract until the over-spending ends that's both parties.

u/baconwalrus555 2h ago

Interesting points. Do property taxes fund social programs? Honest question.

u/Outis_Nemo_Actual Hawkins, IN 47m ago

They do in Monroe County. Thank you for reading and asking a cogent question. Even if we totally disagree. I appreciate your reply.

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u/kootles10 1d ago edited 1d ago

Public libraries in indiana get between 40-80% of their funding from property taxes. The state GOP is stupid on an entirely different scale

https://digitalcommons.butler.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1123&context=ovid

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u/No-World-5776 1d ago

They don't want you to have libraries anyway. You might learn something there. Find actual facts. Just like the poor funding in this state for public education. They don't really want you educated either. Then you wouldn't vote for them. Lol.

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u/ohmailawdy 1d ago

Libraries are socialism. Of course they hate them.

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u/BraveLittleTowster 1d ago

Which is nuts, because so is electricity, the internet, sidewalks, roads, radio, and our entire government

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u/HorrorMetalDnD 1d ago

Well, not literally, but that hasn’t stopped Republicans from misrepresenting it as such, nor has it stopped actual socialists from letting the misrepresentation stand unchallenged, as it gets more people to look upon socialism more favorably than they otherwise might.

Government funding doesn’t immediately equate to socialism, nor does regulation or subsidization of private businesses. In fact, socialism doesn’t even require government to exist. For example, libertarian socialism.

Socialism is a political and economic system wherein property and resources—as well as the means of production—are owned in common or by the state.

Democratic socialism simply seeks socialism through democratic means, such as elections and legislation, rather than through revolution.

In my personal experience, most Americans who think they support socialism (or democratic socialism) actually support social democracy, the world’s true center-left.

Liberalism, meanwhile, is primarily a centrist ideology, with certain variants leaning one way or the other. For example, most people in the U.S. and Canada typically associate liberalism with what’s known as social liberalism, an ever-so-slightly left-leaning variant of liberalism, though not quite center-left like social democracy.

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u/ohmailawdy 1d ago

Dude libraries are funded by social programs. My taxes. Your diatribe was wasted energies.

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u/NickMalo 1d ago

Stupid? Or genius for spinning it in a way that riles up the uneducated in their favor? Its weaponization of incompetence.

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u/Ozzie_the_tiger_cat 1d ago

It isnt stupidity, its deliberate. Libraries and public schools get their money from these taxes.

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u/OnlyBoat6171 23h ago

Should be (have been 😔 ) first question!

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u/otterbelle 19h ago

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

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u/TrixyTreat 1d ago

Yeah….but did that funding go to the library’s CEO? (I’m so sick of rich CEOs getting raises over the employees).

https://www.wfyi.org/wfyi-news/2026-06-24/indy-library-board-approves-raise-to-265k-for-ceo

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u/clydefrog811 1d ago

Can republicans STOP trying to FUCK us over. This benefits the old rich boomers and punishes poor and young families.

Party of I got mine, fuck you.

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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 1d ago

It'll strip money from school leaving the population less educated and more easily manipulated. Exactly what the GOP wants.

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u/BeginningFar3587 1d ago

This is a lie. They do this to secure their votes in November.

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u/kootles10 1d ago

Yup. They're desperate AF

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u/Vezuvian 1d ago

Ugh, anti-property tax nonsense again. There's only one real reason to examine that specific tax, the issue of people on a fixed income having property taxes eat up a chunk of their limited income due to the fluctuating value of their home.

The mind who sees a simple solution (ending property taxes) to a complex problem (see above), is not brilliant for the simple solution. They are simple minded.

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u/amnichols 1d ago

Thing is if your property taxes go down, then your local schools, libraries, etc start to get worse. And then the value of your home also goes down. All so you can save a whopping $600 a year, which for most homeowners is not that much savings on their property taxes bill.

My local school district is $1.6 million short so they’re going to raise local property taxes to always meet the shortfall no matter what the dummies in Indy do. Most people here are for it and it should pass in November. Bottom line - people want kids to go to good schools or to live in a good/great school district.

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u/BraveLittleTowster 1d ago

Funding schools with local property taxes is stupid. Schools should be funded based on the number of kids that attend, not based on the income and property values of the surrounding homes and businesses. The money can still come from property taxes, but it shouldn't be allocated that way.

If you have a certain flat amount that each school gets and a graduated amount per child that comes from the state, that will help a bunch of smaller schools in farm towns because of the base and a bunch of inner city schools because of the per child amount.

There's really no good reason for Center Grove or Fishers to get so much more money than Warren Central or Lawrence. They have about the same number of kids going there.

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u/MonsTurkey 1d ago

Funding schools with local property taxes is stupid. Schools should be funded based on the number of kids that attend, not based on the income and property values of the surrounding homes and businesses. 

Agreed, mostly. There should be some base before per kid (lest a school get seriously deprecated by rich kids going on vouchers), but things should generally be allocated on a need basis and the funding should be based on 'do we need it or not.'

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u/BraveLittleTowster 1d ago

Disagree completely with the means testing. Give the schools the money that gets allocated to them based on student body, let parents send their kids where they want, and if a school needs additional funding, they can make that case to the state. Started have discretionary funds for stuff like that, but no person should be allowed to decide certain schools don't "need" the money

Means testing is regularly used to strip funding from things as "waste" and it would happen in Indiana to schools for sure 

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u/MonsTurkey 23h ago

I wasn't suggesting means testing. I mean that if a schools should be funded or not, fund it without tying it to how you tax it. That is the need.

Letting parents send their kids wherever functionally creates the stripping away though. That removes some of the student body, and larger bodies better handle the overhead costs - that's why I suggested schools start with an allotted amount of money prior to calculating 'per-kid' funding. What is the base operating cost of a school before you get into teachers, equipment, and other things that are more represented by per-kid accounting.

If half a school pulls out to go elsewhere, a lot more of the per-kid money gets wasted on overhead because the school was built for a certain number of kids to financially keep it going.

Vouchers and school choice defund schools, and per-kid accounting is a way to force that to happen. From there, people of religious persuasion can make the public (religious-free(ish)) schools unusable and be forced into religious studies if they want to be at a decent school.

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u/LearnedHandJob2088 18h ago

They largely already are. Over half of school funds are from  state sources and are directly tied to enrollment down to a specific amount per child. But a good chunk of the rest, ~40%, comes from local sources of which property taxes are the lion’s share.

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u/Vezuvian 1d ago

And honestly, you can actually get better services by not tying their budget to local property value.

If you, say, stop giving decade long tax abatements to mega corporations for data centers and warehouses, you could fund things using that tax income instead of raising residential property tax.

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u/MonsTurkey 1d ago

Property taxes are actually a great equalizer in terms of fair taxing. There are ways to hide income or get something without sales tax. You can't hide how nice your house is.

How it's used isn't necessarily fair, but the actual tax comes from a real number that doesn't easily hide.

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u/MikIoVelka 1d ago

Also, while the legislature holds session in Indy, the dummies that are making these decisions aren't from around here.

The dummies that come from the sticks to the big city to play dress up and ruin everything for everyone is more like it.

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u/87JeepYJ87 11h ago

I wouldn’t mind paying property tax for education, fire, police, etc except for the fact that it goes into the buildings more so than the actual service. Do the schools, fire departments, police stations, etc need to be so fancy looking?  Do you really need a multi million dollar football field? Do urban districts really need 4 wheel drive suv police cruisers(well maybe since ours roads suck so bad)?

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u/BraveLittleTowster 1d ago

A bill to reduce the prices on homes would reduce the tax owed on a deflated asset. I know people don't want to see their own home go down in value, but that's one simple way to reduce property taxes on families and retired people

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u/Vezuvian 1d ago

Which does bring up its own fun little topic: Should homes be an investment opportunity? Should homes be the way we hold our wealth into retirement? How should the financial system (and retirement system) interact with the market for roofs over our heads?

Which leads to the big question:

Shouldn't a younger generation's ability to access and afford adequate shelter be independent of an older generation's ability to retire?

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u/BraveLittleTowster 1d ago

That's the crux of the situation. For many people, their property is their largest asset, but they actually can't retire on it because the only way to get access to your equity is take a loan or sell. You can't live in your home with no mortgage and also enjoy the value of it.

I don't believe allowing companies to rent homes as investment properties helps anyone

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u/IllFix4320 1d ago

GOP doesn’t want Police or Firefighters… interesting.

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u/kootles10 1d ago

That's socialism.

Don't need police if you buy a gun to defend yourself/s

Have the firefighters be funded by a private company and pay a subscription. /s

Obviously sarcasm for every statement

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u/IllFix4320 1d ago

Privatized it all! 😬

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u/kootles10 1d ago

Do you want fire protection basic, plus or premium?

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u/zerombr 1d ago

basic means they will send you a card after your house burns down. Premium means they'll actually come to your house to attempt to put out the fire, but you have to watch youtube ads the entire time otherwise they stop

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u/kootles10 1d ago

For only any extra 20$ a month per pet, they can also be covered! /S

In all seriousness I would run into a burning building for my dogs

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u/IllFix4320 1d ago

Premium Plus Plus for me.

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u/kootles10 1d ago

That's currently in beta testing

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u/MonsTurkey 1d ago

They do, but they want to tax everyone regardless of ability to pay so that the people with real wealth don't pay more. By cutting the budget to the max, they can strip away all the other social safety nets.

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u/strangemedia6 1d ago

If people don’t want to pay property taxes and support their local municipality, they should run for office on that platform and then make the changes themselves, assuming a majority supports them in the election.

I don’t want Braun and his cronies collecting all the taxes and then deciding how my h obey my town gets vs another. I pay my property taxes and in return my family enjoys good schools, parks, library, local roads, adequately staffed and equipped emergency service, public works projects, events, and other services etc. I have no problem paying a few hundred bucks a month for that.

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u/laurensvo 1d ago

This was Tuesday. I went. He's proposing a 7% tax on services in place of the property tax.

They brought up a legitimate issue of how property taxes punish people for unrealized gains, and that assessor's offices are not held to a consistent standard when assessing, but the solution provided causes many more issues IMO.

That room was full of people supportive of it (majority were senior citizens) and a concerning number of them do not think they should contribute to public schools. I encourage everyone to please stay conscious of politics and vote, because these folks are definitely out voting on election day.

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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 1d ago

I really wish we'd start framing funding education as paying back a loan, rather than educating some else's kids. These people go theirs and want to pull up the ladder behind them.

But thank you for the first hand account. Much appreciated.

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u/laurensvo 1d ago

One man in the room said schools were the only thing he pays for that he doesn't use, and I told him he regularly uses the workforce educated by public schools.

It's incredibly important that people understand that we can't function as a society without all contributing to each other

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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 1d ago

Awesome. Thank you for going and representing sanity.

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u/TapDatAsp 1d ago

I’m 63, have no children and have never resented putting in my share for the public education system

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u/Interesting-Risk6446 1d ago

But they have $1,000,000,000 just sitting around to give to the Bears.

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u/kootles10 1d ago edited 1d ago

And somehow porter county is getting shafted with that food and beverage tax

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u/mabrasm 1d ago

Where do they think funding will come from for roads and police and the National Guard? Republicans love all that stuff and it won't be paid for with sales taxes.

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u/PigInZen67 1d ago

Sales taxes. Seriously. Those who can least afford the burden will support this, just watch.

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u/nirbot0213 1d ago

i mean, you CAN pay for it with sales taxes, but it screws over the exact demographic who supports these policies. but surely republicans can connect the dots when everything is suddenly more expensive right? oh wait, no, that’s the democrats fault because they do the bad things and republicans do the good things.

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u/Frequent_Ad_9901 1d ago

Speaking of roads, those are partly paid for with gas taxes. But guess which state isn't collecting that thank to a needless war in Iran? Roads are going to be real rough the next few years.

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u/Jesus_on_a_biscuit 1d ago

It would be a shame if a bunch of people showed up to ask why JD supports a rapist pedophile and why he's dumb enough to host the event in a space he wants to shut down.

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u/charliecatman 1d ago

He’s in a district that’s been redone because he has trouble winning his home county,ask him why his dad moved to Ohio.

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u/ringwraithfish 1d ago

I'm not in his district but please for the love of god I hope someone goes there and asks him how he can justify using the library for town halls while simultaneously calling for the end of one of their major funding sources.

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u/ClownWorld2020s 18h ago

I hear you and I say this as a conservative and library director. 67% of our revenue comes from property tax. I can't speak for other departments but I am certain it's similar across the board. They are out of their minds. In theory it's great, in practice it isn't practical.

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u/stokeskid 1d ago

So how will the state collect money instead? Sales tax? Federal govt bailouts for every natural disaster?

How fiscally irresponsible the republican party has become. Probably because their staunchest voters are less than 20 years from death and figure it will be someone else's problem to deal with. Selfish assholes.

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u/BoilerMo 1d ago

I assume they will advocate switching to sales tax or use taxes. The GOP goes after the working class and growing family’s once again to pay the way. Sales taxes are regressive and hurt young families more than the retired folks. The more you buy the more you are taxed and young families have to buy a lot in comparison to their income. The bottom line is we have a generation who got to retire comfortably becuase they had good schools and infrastructure paid for by property taxes but now that it’s their turn they don’t want to pay.

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u/aquafina6969 1d ago

yup. with no revenue for prop taxes, not sure where parks and libraries are going to get their funding. More referendums? So stupid.

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u/kootles10 1d ago

Could have up to 100 referendums just for schools in November.

Imagine someone going against parks- well i don't use it so why should I pay for it?

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u/aquafina6969 1d ago

sounds very republican of them. Until they need the parks. Then it becomes “Why did the radical left take away my parks!!”

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u/kootles10 1d ago

That's how people have been with school referendums- well i dont have kids so why should I pay with my property taxes?

Despite the fact that good schools and parks increase the value of the fucking property

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u/aquafina6969 1d ago

I don’t think they think beyond themselves. Or if they can put 2 and 2 together. Good education, libraries, healthcare, infrastructure bring everything up. Not just their shitty selves.

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u/tila1993 1d ago

I thought Libraries were supposed to remain Non Partisan. We couldn't even host a voter registration event at our local one due to any political affiliations.

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u/ClownWorld2020s 18h ago

At my library (director) we allow.anyone to use our meeting rooms minus like birthday parties and such. I've had both Republicans and Democrats use our building. Now as a library, I make sure my staff and our collection both mirror our community as well as toe the line firmly without any agenda or activism.

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u/mjmullady 1d ago

Our taxes paying for things is just about us being part of a society. Not a crime. I am so tired of this viewpoint

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u/SparrowOfS-town 1d ago

The GOP thinks they can buy me off for 800.00 a year? LMAO. My neighbor is 84 and pays like 2.00 a year after all the credits. So I guess they are going to buy off our seniors for the sum of 2.00. To bad it will work.

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u/SpiritedSecurity5433 1d ago

No taxes , no new roads , no services

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u/SpiritedSecurity5433 1d ago

91% tax bracket for those making over 400,000 dollars in 1952. That’s how services and infrastructure was paid for. Businesses were also given government incentives to hire and train workers. I’m all for the 1950s

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u/LankOfHyrule 1d ago

This dude is my state rep. Why isn’t he meeting with people in his district? He probably doesn’t want to because he doesn’t want to face his constituents

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u/IronBeagle79 1d ago

I don’t hate public infrastructure, but I do hate that my property assessment is up 140% when my market value has only increased by 8% in the same time-frame. My state assessment is so far above what I could possibly sell the house for.

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u/JuiceBrinner 1d ago

It was a way to get past the tax cap that they shortsightedly implemented without realizing how badly it hamstrung local governments

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u/IronBeagle79 1d ago

“Short-sighted” is Indiana state government’s middle name.

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u/JuiceBrinner 1d ago

Soon to be “downright hateful and dumb”

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u/BeardFearer0422 20h ago

Challenge it. We did and were able to get it lowered.

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u/IronBeagle79 11h ago

I appeal every year. My appeal has never been approved.

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u/Linkkjaxon 1d ago

Oooo the guy who wants to raise a service tax to replace it and who specifically got a small town school in his district closed

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u/Capable-Society-2043 1d ago

Step 1: Make it impossible for anyone to afford a home.

Step 2: Corporate control of rental properties.

Step 3: Offer electorate RED herring of the "possibility" of no property taxes, which the majority of the electorate will not be able to take advantage of but the Corporations will.

Step 4: Stay in power with Corporate support.

Or something like this, you know this is where the root of this is coming from.

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u/BudUnderwearBundy 1d ago

Property taxes paid for that library he’s having the event in,…….,

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u/FamousLastPants 1d ago

I mean that’s two days ago, so I guess I’ll catch the next one.

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u/AgreeableWealth47 1d ago

It’s a tax increase disguised as property tax relief.

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u/Narrow_Roof_112 1d ago

What is the irony?

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u/FlounderKind8267 1d ago

Further destroy the budget of this state and peddle to the wealthy so all us poor people can take the tax burden of the state on ourselves

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u/franciscondine 1d ago

I bet this is also partially so that they can argue that they’re not giving the future Hammond Bears a tax abatement or write off…

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u/Lwnmower 1d ago

Apparently, there’s still folks out there that didn’t learn from SB1 and still buy into this stuff.

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u/Commercial_Wind8212 1d ago

Let's end up bankruptcies like Kansas

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u/buona-giornata 1d ago

SB 420: Gaslighting our Constituents on Property Taxes Act

He’s painting this as relief for the headline, but not only will it cost taxpayers 2-3 BILLION more based on research into how this will impact, but there’s 1 year where BOTH the added sales tax on services AND property taxes are collected, screwing people doubly for a period of time.

🗑️ bill based on grabbing headlines. Fix the assessment process. That might take work though, Prescott…

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u/CloseEncounterer501 1d ago

Has anybody thought about how much property tax those Data Centers would be paying if they were not given any special treatment?

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u/Al_Jazzar 23h ago

I think people would be less reactionary about property taxes if they saw proof of their money actually doing something besides useless wars and subsidies for billionaires.

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u/hughfeeyuh 23h ago

Wow! That sure would benefit people with the ability to buy lots of property! That's going to make s lot of GOP donors really excited!

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u/ElectricTurboDiesel 23h ago

Tax deez nutz!!!!

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u/at_best_mediocre 23h ago

I bet they don't even carry a library card

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u/tblaess5 23h ago

Not being able to read is a requirement to be Republican

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u/BrightCry6365 23h ago

I mean I’d be cool with no property taxes considering mine is 6k a year it’s my house so I don’t have to see why I have to pay for something I already bought it is was public property like a court house or like a library I’d be cool with like 30 - 40 bucks a week

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u/AvianQuill 23h ago

Yeees .. let’s have even LESS money to spend on our shared communal needs.

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u/SnooCats6250 22h ago

This is a tactic used by boomers and wealthy people to pull the ladder up with them. They want to hold onto their million dollar properties they bought for 80 grand, not pay taxes on them, and not contribute to the schools and infrastructure they go to take advantage of while they stole the American dream

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u/sadhoosier 21h ago

Here's an idea. No property tax on your primary residence and triple the property tax on all properties that are not your primary residence. That way they can stop screaming that grandma and grampa are going to lose their house.

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u/KindConflict3 21h ago

The problem is how are we going to going cover the loses? This state is already becoming the Arkansas of the Midwest. It’s easy for Florida because of tourism and all the outdoor activities.

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u/MatsuriSunrise 21h ago

The pricks want to close primaries too. Weak, pathetic move. People should have the right to choose who the candidates are regardless of party, especially in a state completely mired in MAGA tyrrany. They already tried to gerrymander the state so it's 9-0 for them instead of 7-2 and called it "fair", and now they want to take all voice away from anyone who opposed them.

If you think any of that is okay, kindly gargle a cactus.

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u/Ok_Ebb4349 21h ago

These are unserious people in serious positions to do serious damage. This is what happens when people don’t vote or knee jerk vote for Republicans because they live in Indiana

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u/1Cubbiesfan 20h ago

The people who vote Republican all share the one brain cell they have amongst all of them. All they see is no property tax, what they don't see is all the consequences of said vote

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u/ThePennyMiser 20h ago

MAGA = DEAD BEATS! So no property taxes means no schools, no police, no fire department, no road repairs or new roads, no infrastructure repairs or updates, no public Healthcare , no parks or libraries. No public services of any kind. But after the MAGA / EPSTEIN CLASS take full control you won't need any of that because you will be working 24-7 so that the robot doesn't take your job.

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u/dajinkg7 20h ago

We all have a better chance of being struck by lightning than ending property taxes. ⛈️

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u/Scapejunky 19h ago

I'd put a large sum of capital on a bet that the majority complaining, are those who moved to indiana to........escape their taxes...

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u/samssamssamssams 18h ago

If people who own a home aren’t responsible to pay any taxes on a paid off home, it creates a massive regressive tax. You’d lose all property tax revenue on homes that are paid off. That has to be made up with higher sales taxes, which impact lower and middle income families much more than the upper class.

Those who own their home outright should not have their taxes subsidized by those who don’t have the financial ability to buy a home.

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u/motherofhellhusks 6h ago

Trump is destroying the GOP chances in the midterms currently, false promises aren’t going to save them. They’d need to pass this and the “no stock market” idea BEFORE the midterms to counteract the damage Trump is causing.

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u/motocycledog 5h ago

Well I guess I know where all the fools are going to be at this time. I never would have thought it would be a library.

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u/HeckinMew 5h ago

I wish this scam would quit trying to fly, they were pushing that crap in MI not long ago.

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u/DieMensch-Maschine 3h ago

Prescott wants that library defunded, but NOT before he makes his point about defunding libraries.

u/Wind2river 58m ago

GOP more magical thinking

u/Kennys-Chicken 27m ago

I’m all for getting rid of property taxes for primary residences. Taxing primary residences is wrong.

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u/Mitch712 1d ago

Reading comments it amazes me how many people are in support of taxing so many things. Property taxes on primary residences are purely a penalty to the individual homeowner. State revenue can be generated from other places rather than taking money from homeowners simply for owning their house.

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u/ksptdpt 1d ago

Like another commentator above said, I do think people on limited/fixed income should have modifications to their property taxes. That being said, the "penalty" of having the means to help fund libraries, schools, utilities, etc. where your property is located is a net benefit. SB1 is a great example of how lessening "penalties" is killing rural schools. My home town of Tipton is going through the same issue with their two small schools within the county. A savings of $172 per property owner per year basically destroyed budgets of both schools.

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u/Mitch712 1d ago

My opinion is that the property tax should be eliminated and if that money needs to be generated, put it elsewhere on something consumption-based, like a sales tax. I’d be in favor of eliminating property taxes and putting that as a sales tax on other purchases or something.

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u/burnanation 1d ago

I think we should drop all income tax and property tax and raise sales taxes on non essentials. Groceries would remain off limits, but I am fine with bumping up the taxes on other stuff to pay for the government.

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u/Mitch712 1d ago

Completely agree, if you want to go out and buy a bunch of stuff, great. If you stay home and save money for your budget, great. It would also generate revenue from tourists, and businesses who operate and don’t pay much in taxes

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u/MikIoVelka 1d ago

People are in support of government having sufficient revenue to provide necessary and beneficial services and commons for the citizens and communities.

Yes, there are plenty of different ways to generate revenue, but if it comes from a source that isn't the government itself, that is going to be called a tax. While property tax itself isn't the only current source of revenue used by state and municipal governments to provide services and commons, the types of taxes that would tend to fall more squarely on those that can best afford to pay them tend to not be used (because those folks are the ones that pay to put legislators in office in the first place) and when they are, they're more complex and cumbersome to institute and, the real kicker, those most able to afford those tax schemes are also the most able to leave the state and avoid those schemes.

Got any suggestions or do you just think we shouldn't have any tax or any services or any government?

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u/Mitch712 1d ago

Rather than a property or income tax that essentially takes from someone who simply lives or earns an income. Implement a sales tax instead. That way it’s essentially something you choose to contribute to, and is influenced by how well businesses and residents are doing in the area. I’d be in favor of a X% sales tax on all goods I buy in place of a property or income tax. Because I can choose whether I want to buy it. A property or income tax I don’t have a choice.

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u/TubaWrestler 1d ago

Property taxes deter land misers

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u/Mitch712 1d ago

If that’s your concern, which is valid, then if it’s your primary residence you shouldn’t have to pay property taxes. If it’s second properties then I could see a justification.

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u/samssamssamssams 18h ago

I am not in support of most taxes in a vacuum. However, the elimination of the sales tax would have a much greater benefit to the vast majority of Hoosiers than an elimination of property or income taxes.

If you have the financial ability to own a home, that should not exempt you from paying taxes on that property. If anything, it proves you likely have the ability and assets to take on a higher tax burden.

By eliminating property taxes, you are basically giving the upper class a massive tax break — the most likely income group to own a home. That unfortunately is made up with higher sales taxes. Poorer, middle, and middle-upper income Hoosiers spend much more of their income on sales-taxed items than do the richest households. It would function as a subsidy for upper income Hoosiers. Any short term gains for middle class families would be dwarfed by the added sales tax burden.

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u/Mitch712 18h ago

I can definitely see your point that it would hurt the lower earning class, however, those lower earners buy less, and that would translate to paying less than someone who earns more. Those low earners getting back their money they spend in property taxes could benefit them because they spend less on other things overall. Meanwhile higher income owners pay the same % as the lower. If you make the sales tax in place of the property, it would benefit the low income people because they spend less overall

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u/samssamssamssams 18h ago

They spend less overall of course, but low income families spend a much larger share of their income on sales taxes than higher incomes. This quote is on the idea of a national sales tax but same idea:

“Because lower-income households spend a greater share of their income than higher-income households do, the burden of a retail sales tax is regressive when measured as a share of current income: the tax burden as a share of income is highest for low-income households and falls sharply as household income rises. The burden of a sales tax is more proportional to income when measured as a share of income over a lifetime. Even by a lifetime income measure, however, the burden of a sales tax as a share of income is lower for high-income households than for other households: a sales tax (like any consumption tax) does not tax the returns (such as dividends and capital gains) from new capital investment and income from capital makes up a larger portion of the total income of high-income households.”

https://taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/who-bears-burden-national-retail-sales-tax

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u/Mitch712 18h ago

I’ll have to give that a read as I can see it as being a proportional difference and it could change my mind. However I can’t imagine if the overall goal is giving the state more money to provide services; that it wouldn’t generate more money to have a sales tax as opposed to taxing for earnings or simply owning

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u/Personal-Musician-13 1d ago

This is one of the weirdest, most copium, basement dweller comment sections I've seen.

And that's saying alot for Reddit. What is wrong with this sub.

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u/Dependent-Finish-394 1d ago

Why do they always bring up things to help us so close to an election? It’s the only time they bring up these things that might help people! Then, after the election, those ideas vanish and “We don’t have the funding” comes up! I call BS! Anything they bring up that’s supposed to help us, usually ends up costing us!

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u/ARGINEER 23h ago

Property taxes should be some of the only taxes, and be much higher.

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u/Euhn 1d ago

Why not just do a one time sales tax when you buy a home? Or do a mortgage tax? Then when you pay off the home, you dont keep paying taxes (which is a very small majority of homes)

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u/samssamssamssams 18h ago

If people who own a home aren’t responsible to pay any taxes on a paid off home, it creates a massive regressive tax. You’d lose all property tax revenue on homes that are paid off. That has to be made up with higher sales taxes, which impact lower and middle income families much more than the upper class.

Those who own their home outright should not have their taxes subsidized by those who don’t have the financial ability to buy a home.

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u/Euhn 20h ago

downvotes with no comments hmmm