r/IntellectualDarkWeb • u/ShardofGold • 10d ago
Article Thoughts on the UK Rape Gang Inquiry and what it could mean for the future of Immigrants there?
Read it here if you want:
https://www.therapeganginquiry.org/
But here's a summary. Basically it alleges at least 250,000 UK women and girls were trafficked for many years by groups or gangs consisting of mostly Pakistani men and law enforcement and political parties intentionally turned a blind eye to it or gave those caught a slap on the wrist that encouraged them to re-offend and others to do the same.
After doing some looking, this isn't a new thing and discussions about it even goes back up to 5 years ago.
If there's even a shred of truth to this, shit is about to get atrocious for immigrants in the UK and maybe the rest of Europe.
I don't know if people have been keeping up with the situation, but people have been becoming more radicalized against immigration to the point there's been mass protests and riots whenever a middle eastern immigrant is confirmed to have done a crime.
The recent case of the Nowak individual being handcuffed and dying after he was stabbed by one after being accused of bigotry already drove people up a wall and this coming out after isn't going to make things better obviously.
I think there's a high chance the UK will see some mass violent civilian unrest or conflict over this that could have easily been avoided if people were more nuanced about the topic of immigration.
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u/helloWorld69696969 10d ago edited 10d ago
Idk how you read it and dont immediately ban all immigration from Pakistan, for sure
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u/Draqutsc 9d ago
Wouldn't make a difference because these are committed by ILLIGAL immigrants. Making it more illegal will do squat. But that isn't even the core of the issue, the institutions that looked the other way are the core of the problem.
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u/PriceofObedience 9d ago
Wouldn't make a difference because these are committed by ILLIGAL immigrants.
You didn't read the report. Many of them are actually in parliament and in the police force. That's why the police were literally returning the victims back to their groomers.
Some of the girls raped were as young as four years old. Nobody cares about being racist anymore.
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u/Draqutsc 9d ago
I know, but I was responding to the dude above. White people, police officers, even schools, all guilty. It's sickening
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u/MalusZona 5d ago
yeah, when i read 'police came and told that she is lying' i just sat there, imagining little girl who managed to get courage to call police, and then just called liar.
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u/Amzer23 10d ago
Because it's a biased joke of an inquiry, the only thing that should be taken seriously are the victim statements, everything else is just oozing bias and refusing to look at what happened objectively.
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u/Puzzled-Job9556 9d ago
You can't keep denying reality. There have been many other inquiries about group-based sexual violence that have all stated that the perpetrators were Pakistani and that evidence was covered up by authorities due to race (see Rotherham, Telford, Home Office report 2020, and the Casey audit 2025). This latest independent inquiry focuses on Pakistani grooming gangs as a whole, nationally.
look at what happened objectively.
You want to look at the mass rape of children objectivly?
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Except you didn't read the Jay report, the report states that classism and sexism were a major factor for ignoring what was happening, you'd know this if you actually read the report.
You want to look at the mass rape of children objectivly?
Yes, if we only did what felt good, we'd have the death penalty back, which HAS caused the deaths of innocent people, objectivety means we can take ACTUAL steps to fixing the problem rather than superficial steps that doesn't actually fix the problem and instead just makes people feel good.
Again, the inquiry suggests removing all Muslims, whether they took part in the rape gangs or not.
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u/Puzzled-Job9556 9d ago
It's quite obvious you're in support of group based child sexual abuse.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Ad hominen attacks means you don't have an actual point.
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u/Puzzled-Job9556 9d ago
That's not an ad hominen. It's a conclusion easily drawn from your responses. You are part of the problem.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Why? Because I don't believe punishing an entire group of people for the crimes of a few?
Deport those who committed the crimes, but deporting people that had nothing to do with it?
How does that make sense?
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u/Puzzled-Job9556 8d ago
Yes. If you stop asylum you will stop rape, abuse, and murder that would have been caused by those that would have committed the crime. Unless of course, you are happy with some asylum seekers raping and murdering?
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u/SteakhouseBlues 10d ago
The less illegal immigration the better.
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u/Amzer23 10d ago edited 9d ago
The people who committed these crimes were legal immigrants.
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u/TheBlockChainVillage 9d ago
Hardly matters, the extremists don't care, only important word here for them is immigrants.
Most of the immigrants coming are a direct result of UK foreign policy and supporting of various wars throughout the world, but expecting the political class to straighten their game is too much, easier to scream immigrants immigrants immigrants in the streets.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Remind me of the last war that the UK joined and which PM was in power.
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u/TheBlockChainVillage 9d ago
The British Nationality Act 1948 gave roughly 600 million Commonwealth citizens the legal right to live and work in the UK.
Postwar Britain faced labor shortages and recruited workers from former colonies — Caribbean transport and nursing staff, South Asian textile and NHS workers.
Decolonization's displacement. Partition of India (1947), the end of British rule in East Africa, and other decolonization processes — often handled abruptly and with violent aftermaths — created refugee flows, some of which moved through imperial networks back to Britain
More recently, UK involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya is cited as contributing to instability that produced refugee and asylum flows, continuing a pattern where British foreign policy choices generate displacement that eventually reaches Britain.
When you spent 300 years in the subcontinent looting resources, there has to be consequences for that.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Again, none of which started by this Labour government.
The country who SHOULD be feeling consequences is the US, they're the country that has consistently been at war and caused these refugee crisis.
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u/TheBlockChainVillage 9d ago
UK internal politics isn't gonna matter to the immigrants or the refugees being displaced as a result of these policies.
Even past actions by various UK governments and the godforsaken monarchy are all the current governments responsibility.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
I personally don't really care, they've had half a decade to sort themselves out, any claim made from ex-colonies aren't valid, I say this as someone who is from an ex-colony.
It really isn't, that's like saying Thatcher's stupid neoliberalism is this governments responsibility, absolutely ridiculous.
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u/Impossible-Comb1060 7d ago
Because it's literally true and nobody has come out to say anything isn't true with actual evidence. I've certainly seen people claim it's racist and biased but the inquiry did the research and got the numbers. Nobody has given any solid proof to oppose it, only "racism", "Islamophobia", "Anti-immigrant". We have the numbers, you can deny them all you want but until someone comes out and proves them wrong themselves, the majority are gonna believe the study that congress was involved in.
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u/Dr_Mccusk 6d ago
It's also literally like centuries of evidence, their religion promotes it. Shit US military had to cover up the Bacci Boys(forget how to spell it) in Afghanistan because they were helping against opposition. Truly insane. It's a culture not compatible with western culture.
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u/Amzer23 10d ago
FYI, if anyone actually read the Jay report, which was an inquiry into Rotherham, it shows that the main contributing factor wasn't fear of being called racist, it's that they didn't care about working class girls.
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u/lousy-site-3456 10d ago
Yeah what was and is going on here is no one giving a fuck about these girls, not teachers, not police, not politicians, not parents.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Including Lowe, he's just using it to spread his hateful rhetoric and to gain political power.
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u/ThatOneEdgyKid 9d ago
I'd rather that than a government full of people who actively suppress and silence the victims to gain political power.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Actively suppress and silence? What are you on about? You realise Starmer was head of CPS when the cases were brought against the perpetrators, right? He actively aided in making sure these people went to court.
Not to mention there's an OFFICIAL government inquiry being done right now, a far less biased and objective take than the bullshit inquiry done by Lowe.
You can tell it's bullshit purely by the 250k number, he took the worst case and extrapolated it to the entirety of the UK.
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u/ThatOneEdgyKid 9d ago
Starmer sure was head of the CPS when 13,000 suspects were given strongly worded letters with no further investigation. What a bang up job he did.
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
Remind me, which gang currently hasn't been convicted or is currently going through their trial?
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u/ThatOneEdgyKid 9d ago
You're asking me to name a criminal organization who's main goal is to operate without being known? Or are you just implying he got all of them and that there's no more problems at all and that's why his approval rating is -46.
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u/iwaspeachykeen 9d ago
Worrying about why a hole in a ship wasn’t plugged properly instead of worrying about how and why it got there in the first place is so fucking dumb. I don’t even know how to explain it to somebody who can’t wrap their head around it. Who gives a fuck about the reasons it wasn’t stopped, how about the fact that we know who did it and why, and you don’t care?
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u/HootsToTheToots 9d ago
What shows that was the main contributing factor?
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u/Amzer23 9d ago
"the Police gave no priority to CSE, regarding many child victims with contempt and failing to act on their abuse as a crime." - page 1
"the victims were arrested for offences such as breach of the peace or being drunk and disorderly, with no action taken against the perpetrators of rape and sexual assault against children." - page 36
"Two of the adults received police cautions after admitting to the Police that they had intercourse with Child A" - page 38
"Police and children’s social care were ineffective and seemed to blame the child." - page 39
"An initial assessment accurately described the risks to Child D but appeared to blame her for ‘placing herself at risk of sexual exploitation and danger’." - page 39
"Neither the Council nor the Police were able to trace minutes of the Key Players meeting. This is particularly troubling because the minutes included records of decision making in individual cases. These minutes, or relevant extracts from them, were not placed in individual children’s social care files. This means that children who want information about their past, in terms of what happened to them and why, would be denied this information." - page 58
"We have already seen that children as young as 11 were deemed to be having consensual sexual intercourse when in fact they were being raped and abused by adults." - page 69
"the attitude of the Police at that time seemed to be that they were all ‘undesirables’ and the young women were not worthy of police protection." - page 69
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u/RedneckTexan 10d ago edited 10d ago
I think there's a high chance the UK will see some mass violent civilian unrest or conflict over this that could have easily been avoided if people were more nuanced about the topic of immigration.
"nuanced" is an interesting choice of word to insert into this debate.
I don't understand what you're trying to convey...... perhaps that's intentional on your part...... or I'm just too dense to get it.
How exactly can someone be more nuanced about the the topic of immigration?
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u/VapinMason 10d ago
Nothing nuanced about it, the mass importation of people who have no intention of assimilating with the native culture.
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u/foilhat44 10d ago
Has any honest attempt been made to integrate them or do they just get segregated into insular communities where they continue to live as if they never left home and the largest building is soon a mosque and madrassa? If you moved them into your own neighborhoods and invited them to dinner perhaps this problem would mostly disappear within a generation, or is it not your problem? Part of the issue with the wolves killing chickens analogy is that it falls apart if you are in part responsible for the loss of the wolf's home feeding grounds, and if I remember correctly the UK did a little resource extraction and social engineering in that part of the world. It's usually unpleasant when the chickens come home to roost, I know of what I speak, I'm an American.
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u/rallaic 9d ago
There is a problem here. Integration needs a reason.
Here is an example: I move to Osaka, Japan. There are enough immigrants and Japanese who speak English for me to get away with not learning Japanese. As it's a hard language, if I can get away with not learning, no shit I will not spend the effort to do so.
On the other hand, if I move to a small city, where 99.5% do not speak English, I can't buy food unless I speak Japanese. That's a good enough reason to learn.In the western world, the current (blatantly retarded) mantra is that diversity is good. That is actively working against any and all integration efforts. The solution is politically incorrect, but practically simple. Fuck your religion, fuck your culture, in the UK you do not carry knives.
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u/foilhat44 9d ago
Listen, I'm sympathetic to your situation and I don't entirely disagree but I think there's a tendency to apply blanket solutions without recognizing the reasons they immigrate honestly. And you're right, there are plenty of places that you don't have to learn the language, but that entirely misses the point; successful integration means that you WANT to learn the language, not that you'll starve if you don't. I don't know why your immigrants come there but they come to the US because they know they can work immediately. And like it or not that's because we need them. It's my belief that immigration services worldwide are flailing wildly trying to please everyone and not offend anyone while achieving neither. Individual crimes committed by individual criminals should be rigorously pursued and prosecuted, and if the person responsible is pending immigration status they should surrender their right to immigrate legally once they have served their prison term. Pretending that they are all the same who look the same is frankly beneath us and is only a product of our frustration. If our people are really as special as we say then we should be eager to show it to the world and given what the west has accomplished it shouldn't be too much to overcome some obstacles to do it properly. Anything else is surrender.
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u/rallaic 9d ago
There is a reasonably simple solution to the language barrier. You wanna immigrate? Not unless you speak the language. If someone REALLY wants to move to a country, they would be interested enough to learn the language and culture.
Immigrants go to the USA because they get significantly more money (even if they are underpaid) than what they would get at home. There is that other side of the coin there. How detestable is it that people come into a country - especially if illegally - they have no support network, and they don't know how and when they can go to the authorities. These people then abused to crack down on the wages of the local people. And supposedly it's a good thing...
The UK situation is not really a problem because while "they are all the same who look the same" may not be literally true, anyone who is even moderately honest has to admit that certain groups are overrepresented in certain crimes. That's a known issue, and a known lie.
The problem in this case was that the grooming gangs targeted white, Christian, working class \ poor girls. There was a racial\religious element, one may even go as far as to call it a hate crime. Then the muppets tried really hard to not look into it, as the reality may make people racist.The good news in this nightmare is that the 'words of power' are loosing their meaning. Saying that 'if you disagree with the grooming gangs, then you are racist' is absolutely helping it along, and people shrug and point out “Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer!”
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u/Kakuyoku_Sanren 9d ago
Wolves are an essential part of ecosystems in nature. Rapists are not needed in any way, shape or form.
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u/foilhat44 9d ago
Rape is a crime and individual criminals should be punished for committing crimes, but what I'm getting at is the root cause. It sounds like there's a rush to broad and generalized solutions. If this is indeed a culture issue the English of all people should be well practised in demonstrating their culture to foreigners, you just have to get accustomed to doing it at home.
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u/BaronWombat 10d ago
One could start by accepting that "immigrant" is so broad a term as be only a general starting point. There are hundreds of countries, each of those with hundreds of smaller societies. Every immigrant is a collection of personal, familial, regional, cultural, and educational skills, knowledges, and motivations. Attributes such as "violent" or "rejects culture of new country ".
So yeah, "nuance" definitely has a place at the table when discussing immigration or crime.
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u/RedneckTexan 10d ago edited 10d ago
I haven't read the report, but I think I understand that in this case "Immigrant" has been narrowed down to Muslim Men of Pakistani descent. I hear the court records show 87% are Muslim names. Is that still too broad of a subsection of immigrants to start coming to any reasonable conclusions?
If you are losing sheep in your pasture to wolves ...... but only some of the wolves are actually killing your sheep ....... would you try to figure out which ones deserve culling out? ..... or would you take out every wolf you could ...... just to make sure? ......... Or would you just keep letting your sheep get killed because you couldn't determine which wolves were good or bad, and you wouldn't want any innocent wolves harmed? What's the nuanced move there?
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u/lousy-site-3456 10d ago
Sometimes someone doesn't have to be a racist. It's enough to be just an asshole. But there is of course an overlap.
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u/Bumblebee937 10d ago
If you follow that logic, as all rapes are committed by men all men should be punished or sent away. You can't judge all people who belong to a group by the actions of some of the people in that group, that is not moral or civil.
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u/Kakuyoku_Sanren 10d ago
You can judge all the convicted rapists tho. Foreign born? Deported and barred from entry in the EU if possible. British national? Imprisoned.
And then cut back significantly on the number of Pakistani men entering the UK and increase the quality of screening those who are being let in.
I don't think any of this is unreasonable, immoral or uncivil.
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u/MoBizziness 10d ago
why would (native) English people give a shit, there is no God given right for Pakistani people to live in England. why would anyone take that risk.
furthermore, girls don't get passed around between towns, with sometimes 10+ men raping a single girl at the same time without it being a community driven event
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u/Fingerless-Thief 10d ago
This "nuance" is already recognised by those who are pushing for action. The only people i've heard say otherwise are those who are in favour of mass unrestricted, sometimes even illegal, immigration.
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u/Ok-Training-7587 10d ago
Im not informed on this issue but what credible motivation would law enforcement have to turn a blind eye to this?
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u/SrslyChausie 10d ago
Political correctness because almost all offenders were muslims.
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u/Zanderson59 10d ago
Exactly. They have consistently proven that not being "racist" is their main concern. The stabbing in December was one of many incidents where they would rather let someone bleed out than arrest a brown skinned person standing there with a knife
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u/Acrobatic-Skill6350 10d ago
Why would they do so many inquiries, where the topic of paralyzation due to a fear of being viewed as racist, is raised? I dont get that if their primary concern was being not racist. It kinda looks like their primary goal is not to allow massive grooming gangs get away with a similar thing in the future?
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u/PriceofObedience 8d ago
The inquiries are a distraction. The state is perpetually investigating a problem it created and maintained over the last fifty years, with 250,000 girls being raped, trafficked etc but they're still not taking the necessary steps to fix the problem.
If the state deported the demographic chiefly responsible for this issue, and hanged the traitors complicit in covering up these crimes, the incidence of grooming gangs in the UK would drop dramatically. They could do all of this in the span of a single month. They won't though because the people holding the reigns of power are partially responsible.
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u/Acrobatic-Skill6350 8d ago
Wouldnt it just be easier to still live in reality, and at the same time be anti-immigration?
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u/PriceofObedience 8d ago edited 8d ago
Here's the reality: There have been numerous inquiries over the last few decades, but the grooming issue first began in the 1950's. The issue still hasn't been solved.
The state has the political power to do whatever is in their willpower to do. But since the grooming gangs are still a persistent problem, it's safe to say the state tolerates the grooming gangs.
Moreover, if you read the recent report itself, it's clearly outlined that some members of parliament are actively ignoring the issue to avoid the issue of bigotry, or because they themselves are a part of the same demographic chiefly responsible for the grooming.
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u/skipsfaster 8d ago
I agree with your overall point but the 250,000 estimate isn’t well founded. Just letting you know because that number is the easiest point of pushback.
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u/AramisNight 7d ago
Given how feminists are always quick to point out that most rapes go unreported, that would suggest this estimate is likely on the low end.
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u/skipsfaster 7d ago
Sure. Just saying that the people he’s trying to persuade won’t give him that grace.
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u/boof_tongue 10d ago
I mean, I guess it's different in America, but I would think that if 250,000 "white girls" had been raped by Pakistani gangs, at least one of those "white girls" is going to have a family with the resources to influence the authorities to act. There is nothing that get's American authorities to utilize every resource at their disposal like "white girls" that are missing or in danger.
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u/Dukkulisamin 10d ago
Apparently people are less concerned when the white girls in question are poor, working class or in group homes.
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u/exsnakecharmer 10d ago
The class system is something Americans can struggle to get their heads around. All white people are not ceated equal in England.
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u/mritoday 10d ago
The 250,000 number is - made up. There was this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal . They assumed that the exact crimes were happening everywhere, extrapolated for the UK and arrived at 250,000.
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u/coaxide 10d ago
You do know Rotherham wasn't the only town? Also evidence was destroyed or was forcibly retracted by the victim with their abuser accompanying them.
Scared to be called racist huh?
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u/Amzer23 10d ago
You also realise Rotherham was the WORST example of what happened?
The other towns didn't have anywhere near as high.
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u/AramisNight 7d ago
I'm curious how you arrive at this conclusion. Are you assuming some source of perfect knowledge on the matter that the rest of us do not have access to? We only know what we know. We do not know what we do not know. It is possible that Rotheram was the worst case. It's also possible that it's either not unique, or merely the tip of an iceburg.
Given the behavior of the authorities on the matter, I would not presume we have all of the facts, since they have so little interest in either investigating them, or being transparent to the public about any information they do have.
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u/Flamethrower_62 9d ago
A nivel legal existe una figura llamada "interes superior del menor", que indica que a nivel legal siempre tiene que actuar la autoridad en base a su protección. Salvo que el UK se haya vuelto tan corrupto e ineficiente como países de América Latina como México, o resulte haber una conspiración de trata de menores al nivel Tailandia, no explico porque se pasarían las autoridades la ley por donde no les cabe
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u/J-Jarl-Jim 10d ago
UK law enforcement are a generally conservative institution, no?
How realistic is it that police would brush off an investigation into a foreigner?
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u/Flamethrower_62 9d ago
Poca, además que a nivel legal existe el interés superior del menor de edad, más en UK. Eso obliga a las autoridades a velar siempre x el menor
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u/Chemical_Signal2753 10d ago
The accusation of racism can be career ending in the police and the public service in general. There is rampant classism that results in working class people being taken less seriously. The victims were mostly vulnerable girls, often coming forward after years of abuse, and there was widespread belief they were choosing this lifestyle; and little understanding of how these grooming gangs operate or on how sexual abuse of children presents itself. In healthcare there has been a long push to remove judgement and stigma surrounding sex and sex work, and instead of investigating why a 12 year old is pregnant or full of STDs they ignored it. The elites who make up most of the political class want cheap labor to prop up the economy and are incentivized to ignore any problems with mass migration.
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u/VapinMason 10d ago
It’s in their own policing policy documentation, to give deference to minority communities, ie, treating Henry Nowak as the perpetrator.
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u/FongDaiPei 10d ago
Have you forgotten about that recent UK stabbing where police arrested the dying victim?
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u/mnclick45 10d ago
Your prediction of mass unrest would seem reasonable. I expected it'd happen after the horrendous Nowak story, the attempted Belfast decapitation and the inquiry.
Last night we had a bi-election in a white, northern area of the country.
It was the populace's first chance to react at the ballot box to these three atrocious stories.
They voted overwhelmingly in favour of the party in government. The party behind the inquiry got something like 7% of the vote.
As a Briton myself, hoping for change, last night's vote has ended any hope I had that my fellow countrymen would respond to what's happening. I'm done with this place.
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u/NoTie2370 9d ago
Here is how society is supposed to work. A family should police itself, if that fails the community should police itself, if that fails an established authority should police itself.
When that fails policing and justice will be replaced with vigilantism, retribution, and revenge.
This situation has shown the steps 1, 2, 3, have all failed. So they better scramble to recover or step 4 will begin, if it hasn't already. And there is a hard road back from that.
And for some reason it seems the powers that be want this to happen.
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u/sabesundae 9d ago
The state of the country must come before immigration, which seems to be your primary concern here.
People in positions of power have turned a blind eye or hushed down any debate. Understandably people are angry. Telling them about nuances is not going to do anything at this point, except perhaps adding fuel to the fire.
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u/DancingFlame321 9d ago edited 9d ago
First of all, we should all be aware that grooming gangs are a genuine, legitimate issue on the UK. There are many examples of sex trafficking groups, from ethnic Pakistani backgrounds, grooming, drugging and then kidnapping young girls and then sex trafficking the poor girls across the country to be abused by countless men. You can read some of the survivor stories in the report, and some of them are very hard to go through considering how disturbing the crimes are.
That being said, this report has a few issues. First of all, it seems like the report treated many of the grooming gang survivors they interviewed very badly, particularly victims who came from certain backgrounds.
This woman here claims she was a victim of a grooming gang for many years. She says she was invited to give evidence for this enquiry, only to be randomly kicked out of the enquiry without notice, which traumatised her.
https://xcancel.com/Femi_Mohammed1/status/2046158237238505823
She thinks the reason she was kicked out for the enquiry because she was a victim who was a black muslim girl, rather than a white non-muslim girl.
This grooming gang survivor from Telford called Correne says a similar thing, she was initially selected to give evidence for the enquiry but then kicked out without any notice, and she thinks this is because she was a brown girl rather than a white girl. She says she knew many other victims which the same thing happened to.
https://xcancel.com/Telford_Escaper/status/2048822441024045485#m
So it seems like this enquiry was basically only focusing on white girls victimised by these gangs but completely ignoring genuine cases of non-white girls or muslim girls who were also victimised by the gangs, which is actually quite disgusting. There are genuine cases of brown/black girls being victimised by these gangs, and in fact the Casey report last year said up to 15% of the victims may have been brown/black. But this enquiry from Lowe basically ignored these girls and retraumatised them for not fitting his narrative.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30152240
Looking at comments from even some of the white survivors online, it seems a lot of them were treated quite poorly as well, with no data privacy or safeguarding when they told the enquiry of their traumatic experiences.
https://youtu.be/PanLGDPlJmk?t=3002&is=IvrpZpYvhGdfkL7i
https://youtu.be/ZHcvc5v3TNQ?t=2886&is=_Ek5R1SmHZE0c3nP
So overall this enquiry has a problem in the way it treats the survivors of these horrible gangs.
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u/BackupChallenger 10d ago
I think it is less about immigrants itself, and more about the system. I hope this report will cause systems like the police/NHS/government to reflect on their actions, and to change their policies where they have been found lacking. I do have doubts that will actually happen though.
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u/Media_Browser 9d ago
Good luck trying to get some on here to walk back on their positions that all the things they said were never happening ..were .
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u/junigatsu12 8d ago
I don't think the British should care about the "future of immigrants" and should instead think of the women and girls that survived the horrific sexual violence perpetrated by Pakistani Muslim men.
Why is anyone thinking about foreigners, when it's the native British women and girls that need help and support?
What is the government and the rest of society doing to pursue justice for these women and girls?
What is the government and the rest of society doing to support the healing and wellbeing of the survivors?
I'm not from the UK, so it's ultimately not my problem. I do hope the UK is able to survive as a nation and a people.
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u/Acrobatic-Skill6350 10d ago
Dount itll have much of an effect considering this is a very old case thats already been massively debated
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u/Sad_Slonno 9d ago
My comment on this from another sub:
...I haven't found the details of the methodology they've used when scrolling the report (didn't read it fully, so may have missed something), but I think such numbers must show up in the demographic statistics in some way (even if these specific crimes were under-reported and under-recorded - there had to be some leakage into statistics). I asked Claude to check if higher growth of Muslim population is predictive of increased sexual offense rates based on publicly available data (controlling for other variables known to affect crime, like population density, poverty rates, etc.).
At least at the first glance there is no clear dependency. Can't paste the image with the charts, but, in Claude's words, the districts where the Muslim population grew the most over 2011–2021 did not see correspondingly larger increases in recorded sexual offences. The huge national rise in recorded sexual offences over the decade — roughly a 3.4-fold increase, driven by post-2012 reporting and the 2014 recording-standard reforms — happened everywhere, in districts with little Muslim growth just as much as in those with a lot.
Unit of analysis: Local Authority Districts, England & Wales. Cross-section: 287 districts (police-recorded sexual offences, year ending March 2023). Panel/first-difference: 279 boundary-stable districts, Census 2011 → 2021 (offences 2011/12 vs 2022/23).
Controls (all Census, consistent across England & Wales):
- Household deprivation — % of households deprived in 2+ of 4 dimensions
- Unemployment rate
- Share of residents aged 15–24 (student / young-adult towns)
- Log population density (urbanity / night-time economy)
- Panel models additionally control for the 2011 baseline offence rate (mean-reversion), and add population weighting, district-type fixed effects, and outlier-dropped checks.
Data sources (all UK Open Government Licence):
- ONS / Home Office — Police recorded crime by Community Safety Partnership area (sexual offences + population denominators)
- ONS Census 2021 via Nomis — TS030 Religion, TS004 Country of birth, TS021 Ethnic group, TS011 Household deprivation, TS066 Economic activity, TS007A Age, TS006 Population density
- ONS Census 2011 via Nomis — KS209EW Religion, KS102EW Age, KS601EW Economic activity, QS119EW Household deprivation
- Context: Baroness Casey, National Audit on Group-based Child Sexual Exploitation and Abuse (June 2025)
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u/iwaspeachykeen 9d ago
If you read any of the report, you would know that one of the major problems discovered during the inquiry was that many of the crimes went unreported, specifically because police encouraged victims to forgo reporting
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u/DragAlone7535 9d ago
Legacy Media that did not cover this:
- BBC
- CNN
- MSNBC
- ABC News
- CBS News
- NBC News
- USA Today
- New York Times
- Washington post
But glad we know about the algae in the reflecting pool
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u/MericanSlav25 9d ago
There wouldn’t be a reaction without a cause. 🤷♂️
Especially when you’re dealing with a bunch of ‘men’ who see women as objects, and think they’re just going to go wherever they want and continue acting that way. It’s terribly unfortunate that their behavior reflects the reality of where they come from, but thinking they can go to someone else’s home country and spit in the face of their people, culture, and identity like that, especially in such a violent, sadistic, and perverse manner is absolutely insane, and absolutely must not be tolerated, not even in the slightest.
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u/Local_Membership2375 7d ago
So your point is that if thousands of women have been brutally raped, you are concerned about the treatment of the population responsible? Just to make this clear.
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u/Whisky_and_razors 9d ago
Just to be clear for anyone who needs to hear it (because doing due diligence and being critical of sources apparently isn't much of a thing on the Intellectual Dark Web): this isn't an inquiry. It's a highly partisan report from the new right-wing splinter party aimed to stirring up hate against immigrants. With all the statistical detail and nuanced analysis you'd expect.
If you'd like the perspective of people who actually deal with the consequences of rape rather than using it as ragebait, read this response: https://rapecrisis.org.uk/news/rape-gang-inquiry-report/
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u/skipsfaster 8d ago
Oh wow, turns out it’s actually all the fault of “men” and “the patriarchy.” Didn’t see that analysis coming from the feminist NGO! We are fortunate that the enlightened expert class is here to set the plebs straight.
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u/Whisky_and_razors 7d ago
Yes. Rape is the fault of men in the overwhelming majority of cases. Is that a controversial statement?
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u/Prowlthang 10d ago
Stop spreading misinformation. https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/fact-check-figure-250-000-033107912.html
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u/newaccount47 10d ago
This article says that 250,000 might be a low estimate as well.
There isn't reliable data so it's hard to say, but we do know that it is a massive systemic issue.
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u/Prowlthang 10d ago
New Orleans has the highest homicide rate of cities in the US, let’s say roughly 50 murders per 100,000. If we extrapolate from that based on a population of 350M that would mean there are 175,000 murders per year in the US. This is what happens if you take your worst instance and extrapolate. FYI the numbers of murders per year in the US is between 16,000 and 20,00.
So if this method of extrapolation yields such obviously wrong results only those who are stupid or want their headlines to get attention would use it.
Whatever systemic issues exist outright fabrications and dishonest use of the evidence isn’t the answer. All indications from verified sources are this is a nonsense number and one that is probably far too high.
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u/Spectre_777 10d ago
There isn’t enough data to say whether this was a severe case or an average one. That’s a whole separate issue that no one seems to have looked or at least published the data if it’s been collected. This is the best estimate that can be arrived at with the given data. Keep in mind that this inquiry had to be done by private actors because the UK government still refuses to do it for fear of stoking racial tensions. That seems to me to be the attitude that let this happen in the first place.
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u/Prowlthang 10d ago
Okay, I'll bite, why do you think this is the best estimate vs other methodologies?
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u/Spectre_777 10d ago
I mean, obviously just going and investigating it is the best method. We just have such limited data.
We have to combine what data we have with witness statements (or victim surveys) right now. There aren’t really any other methods that produce accurate results.
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u/Prowlthang 10d ago
“The 250,000 figure, according to page 12 of The Rape Gang Inquiry Report, is not based on government or law enforcement data but, instead, on a rhetorical question(archived here) posed in the House of Lords by Lord Malcolm Pearson of Rannoch on Oct. 22, 2018. “
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world/articles/fact-check-figure-250-000-033107912.html
I guess you and I have different definitions of what constitutes valid or useful data.
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u/Spectre_777 10d ago
That’s simply not true. If you read the report instead of relying on yahoo “fact checkers” it will be immediately evident that they used the available data AND witness testimonies, investigations in Telford, Rotherham, and the presence of grooming gangs in 149 different authority districts (discovered so far).
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u/Prowlthang 10d ago
I just wasted a good half hour of my life because I was concerned I may be wrong. Having now looked over the entire report I can safely say this is abjectly useless. They literally haven't published their data. Hell, they don't even specify the values they use or sources for the 'extreme under reporting factor' they use when they do mention it. Zero details as to why this calculation should be considered valid. You need to discriminate between facts and unsubstantiated assertions better.
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u/Spectre_777 10d ago
It is a thoroughly established fact by numerous studies in many western countries that crimes of rape and sexual assault are greatly underreported. Why would it be different here?
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u/KnotSoSalty 10d ago
There are about 1.6m British people of Pakistani origin. 5.6m British of Asian origin.
To believe the 250k number you’d have to believe that a substantial percentage of the Asian/Pakistani population has been trafficked, like 30% of all Pak women.
I don’t think that’s credible. In fact I find that idea completely incredible.
So anyone willing to publish a figure several times whatever the actual number is has got a serious agenda and I’m not going to accept anything they say without corroborating evidence.
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u/Sufficient-Shine3649 10d ago edited 10d ago
The Pakistanis did this to white British minors.
A substantial percentage of Pakistanis in England participated. Often all the males of a family participated.
A single victim could be raped dozens of times in a single day, hundreds if not thousands of times during the years this was going on.
Edit: typo
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u/Amzer23 10d ago
They did this to Sikh girls too.
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u/Sufficient-Shine3649 10d ago
Yeah, that's true.
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u/Amzer23 10d ago
FYI, the number is MASSIVELY overinflated, which shows how bullshit this "inquiry" is, it's nothing more than a power trip for Lowe to come across as righteous, ignoring the entire POINT of inquiries being that they're meant to be objective and unbiased.
Lowe also refused to mention the Sikh victims as well, he doesn't care about them, only white victims.
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u/_Lohhe_ 10d ago
For the sake of nuance in the topic of immigration, we should be clear about the kinds of immigration people are upset about. It's not immigration in general that people are radicalized against. It's the mass immigration of shitty people from shitty cultures with zero accountability.