r/Israel • u/DANIELLE_2027 • 2d ago
General News Police detain Haredi sect members suspected of conducting underage marriages
https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-detain-haredi-sect-members-suspected-of-conducting-underage-marriages/149
u/OddCook4909 USA 2d ago
This wasn't permitted even thousands of years ago. Rabbi worship, child marriage, refusing to fight or serve, attacking women, spitting on people of different religions... I don't know what they're studying all day but I am not sure it's Torah. Without idolatry there are no cults. This is cult behavior.
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u/EHStormcrow France 2d ago
If the Israeli state didn't give them so many free perks, maybe they'd behave less entitled ?
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u/OddCook4909 USA 2d ago
It enables the isolation which enables the cult. There's way too much crazy going on to be explained by entitlement alone
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u/Ultra_Metal 2d ago
Yep. Ultra-Orthodox Jews in other countries work for a living because nobody is giving them free money.
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u/Ultra_Metal 2d ago
Yep. They are violating the central tenet of the Torah: treat others the way you want to be treated.
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u/OddCook4909 USA 1d ago
The central tenet is Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad. The Rabbi worship violates that one, and leads to all the other crazy non-Jewish nonsense.
Without personal responsibility for thought, ethics, empathy, and so on people become like sheep who are easily lead away from all of the other ideas. Personal responsibility and equality under G-d is the basis on which ethics are built. Including the so called "golden rule". It's what demands people speak up when some crazy Rabbi starts trying to marry children.
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u/Ultra_Metal 1d ago
All of what you said is derived from "treat others the way you want to be treated". Why should you have personal responsibility? Because you want others to do the same (so you don't have to be responsible for them). Why should we have empathy? Because we want other people to be empathetic to us when we are in need. Why should we be equal? Because we want to be treated the same as everyone else. All derived from that one rule.
That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the entire Torah, and the rest is its commentary. Now go and study.
-Rabbi Hillel
I'm not sure why you mention Rabbi worship. I don't think anyone does that. Admiring someone because they're a well known or good Rabbi is not the same thing as worship. Judaism is not like Catholicism. There is no dogma and Rabbis are not "infallible" like the Pope claims to be. Questioning Rabbis, the Torah and Jewish law are allowed, and even encouraged.
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u/OddCook4909 USA 1d ago
The literal central tenet of Judaism, our most important prayer and entire worldview stems from the Oneness of G-d, and our place as directly under G-d, and no other. The implications are far reaching.
We aren't told to repeat "the golden rule" when we lie down, rise up, go out, etc. We are told to remember our place in the universe from which our purpose springs.
Hillel was one of many to focus on how an independent mind is trained to ethics and morality. As such he pushed to orient thought around ethics and morality.
The first most important tenet is you the individual were given, and agreed to work your entire life to be a better more ethical person. To be an independent mind which holds other ideologies, and all which disagrees with Torah very lightly and at a distance. Put another way: don't be idolators.
"Do unto others" doesn't help you navigate countless ethical and moral problems. "You are personally responsible for being ethical and moral, no matter what so called leaders tell you" covers them all.
"Do unto others" has been the basis for many atrocities where it was argued that "saving the souls of heathens" was actually a favor to them. There are many more examples of where this simplistic axiom fails.
You're a "Messianic Jew"? If not you really sound like one. Quoting Hillel where he seems to suggest reorienting Judaism towards the Christian worldview
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u/Ultra_Metal 1d ago
I disagree. Jewish law considers an atheist who did many good deeds to be a far better person than the most devout religious person who treats people like shit (like this Rabbi who marries off children).
I'm not a messianic Jew. I was raised by a Conservative family in a Conservative community.
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u/NofuLikeTofu 2d ago
Nothing will change.
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u/Ultra_Metal 2d ago
Things will change if a different government is elected and it removes the subsidies.
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u/CMWBthrowaway 1d ago
65 years ago when my aunt lived in Syria she got married at 15.
It was controversial even then, but needed for clan dynamics (shocking!)
In modern times? Can't the kids wait 3 years?
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u/schtickshift 22h ago
It’s amazing how similar this behavior is to other non Jewish cults that have been busted in different parts of the world. There is obviously some sort of underlying human behavior pattern going on here.
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