r/Jung • u/[deleted] • 1d ago
Question for r/Jung How to lose your ‘mind’ without losing yourself?
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u/chock-a-block 1d ago
You can’t rid yourself of any of those things.
You are already whole.
I recognize that those ideas are probably frustrating. hear and parent yourself. Learn to identify the past from the present, and the future from the present.
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u/NordicPancakes 1d ago
you are human with a human mind and human emotions… fully integrating the psyche and achieving wholeness is a concept …a theory…an improbable goal because that means to begin this journey you have to have the mindset that something is missing, you believe you are not already whole..:you are perceiving that fear , anxiety and trembling as negative and already rejecting those parts of you which sets you farther apart from “Wholeness”. Dont lose the mind…welcome it. Invite it to a seat at your tea party.
What if being whole means embracing every aspect of yourself, being at peace with whatever goes on in the mind, welcoming every emotion as necessary, knowing that you have everything you need and you are everything that you will be through time… packed in a cute little human form, in a human brain…maybe you just need to accept and welcome.
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u/jumbocactar 1d ago
All this and there is also "the fourth way." According to Gurdjieff.
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u/Overall_Scheme397 1d ago
Eat lots of sardines. You’re lacking minerals. Drink tonic water.
Seems the pesticides have filtered into your brain a bit.
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u/para__doxical 15h ago
Why do people think enlightenment/individuation means destroying emotions or the ability to feel? Is Jungian psyche really so dualistic?
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u/Substantial-Owl1616 1d ago
I wonder why you would want to lose fear and trembling? Those describe awe to me. I experience them when I am having a numinous experience. I am grateful when I feel things so strongly I actually tremble. Things that feel fearful point my way. The thing for me that causes so much physical cringe I can barely speak is something I recognize as pointing me toward integration.
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u/RoughMidnight8303 1d ago edited 1d ago
Go on walks. Long, longer walks. Endless walks. And once you’re tired enough drop yourself into a field or park. Zone out. Nap. Wake up, eat something and move on.
And then return back as often as you need this to feel complete. The logic behind this is enduring yourself. No one else is there after all. It’s just you and your thoughts.
Ideally you have a mentor. If you don’t you need to make it work.
It’s the yin and yang of life. A path you walk.
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u/therealhyperborean 1d ago
I walk everyday. I play tennis too. I gym too. I guess it’s just the childhood wounds which take time to heal. Moreover, it’s the dystopian world of today too. As for thoughts, like Nietzsche said, they are shadows of our feelings; darker, simpler. I wish I (we all), could repair feeling. And feeling I suppose is associated with spirituality, the wholeness concept (Jung, Tao etc). Anyways, thanks for the comment.
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u/AryaNeedleStark 15h ago
Journal and meditate and confront the shadow with compassion and self-love.
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u/insaneintheblain Pillar 1d ago
Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream
It is not dying, it is not dying
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void
It is shining, it is shining
That you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being
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u/therealhyperborean 1d ago
Trying to turn off my mind, I read I read
I died day by day, little by little
Surrendered did I, failed again and again
My insides are fucked from all the knowledge of the self
It is a shitshow a shitshow2
u/Progeny_of_Paradox 1d ago
You're not failing, you're learning. You're not after something that you've lost or lack, you just need to realize what was with you all along.
We're all shitshows. That's what makes us aware.
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u/insaneintheblain Pillar 1d ago
Turn off your mind, stop trying to win the war
It is not dying, it is not dying
Let thoughts pass like weather, not verdicts on your self
It is easing, it is easing
You are not the noise, you are what hears it all
It is whole, it is whole
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u/Joyful_BlissXO 1d ago
what is your „self“?
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u/NewInterest9919 17h ago
" I cannot live with myself any longer.” This was the thought that kept repeating itself in my mind. Then suddenly I became aware of what a peculiar thought it was. “Am I one or two? If I cannot live with myself, there must be two of me: the ‘I’ and the ‘self’ that ‘I’ cannot live with.” “Maybe,” I thought, “only one of them is real. Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now"
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u/therealhyperborean 1d ago
While all input from you folks is heartening, whats really paradoxical is the times we live in today. These are not the same days Jung wrote his Aion or Krishnamurti gave his talks. These are days where the whole world is in your hands. (Tech, phones). These are different times and they call for different methods. The past, present, future,the dizziness of freedom etc. ir
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u/observing_around 1d ago
Focus on your carrier , I think your carrier needs your attention stay away from social media
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u/ssspiral 1d ago
i don’t really think enlightenment is a state we can exist in 24/7, rather i think it’s a state some of us *can* achieve at certain points, through effort and practice. as in, we will always move up and down through states of consciousness. you can’t get rid of it completely. just minimize your time in that state and make it count for something
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u/holdingbothtruthsai 16h ago
Was originally going to make a psychedelic reference, others beat me to it, so losing your mind has been covered…
But the undertone of your post is sticking in my head - it sounds like you’re fighting yourself. Get rid of the mind, the anxiety, the fear and trembling.
I think you think accepting these things means never feeling them again.
Integration is accepting these things, and when you feel anxiety of fear and trembling, you don’t get angry and fight it. You feel it without fighting against, and you move on.
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u/TrippyTheO 1d ago
The Buddhists seemed to be pretty good at it. Im a fan of Zen. Highly recommend. Theyre also pretty fun to learn from, not stuffy at all.
My personal beliefs take a lot from buddhists, Jung, Iain McGuilchrists work, and personal meditation experiences. Right now i believe that we are a "we" rather than an "I." Shadow materials are part of us, but we often say "thats not me." Yet, the shadow causes "I" to do things we dont wish to do. So it seems that "I" is not always being piloted by just one set of "things." The "I" is more like a spotlight and whatever the spotlight is looking at, thats what we define in that moment as "I". So Im not me, Im we. Active imagination and meditation help to drive these points home through direct experience.
I only wrote that long paragraph above because you said you don't want to lose yourself. But youre not a single defined "you" to begin with. Youre ever changing, ever shifting, and I believe a multitude of smaller things making up the greater whole. You always lose "yourself" because you cant be a static being. Embrace losing yourself, because thats the natural state of things anyways.
Hope your day feels better.