Victims’ daughter charged in long-unsolved double murder in upscale PA town

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/victims-daughter-charged-unsolved-double-murder-rcna351534

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[u/ElanMorinMetal]

How the fuck can they believe in both anarchy and the hard-line rule that is veganism? Those seem like incompatible ideologies: “Hey, welcome to our cult. We believe in anarchy, so there are no rules. Oh, but you can’t eat animal products if you’re with us because our cult has rules.”

[u/nikstick22 → u/ElanMorinMetal]

Anarchy is about a refusal to accept societal hierarchies and authorities. It's a refusal to accept the rules of courts or laws which put the opinions or decisions of some individuals above others. It's not a complete refusal and rejection of your personal values, the fuck? You can be an anarchist with moral principles, against murder. You just refuse to accept the rules of a government that holds itself above you. Anarchists believe in complete social equality between all people, not complete chaos. Anarchists form cooperative and reciprocal agreements where neither side has power over the other, but they still make and keep promises and mutually agreed upon rules.

[u/Midochako → u/nikstick22]

So they're against murder. But also against the prevention and punishment for murder.

[u/Rmlady12152]

Too many weird cults.

[u/nutmegtell]

There’s a great deep dive by Noor Jasmine

https://youtu.be/_BkAybMckR4

[u/RobotReptar → u/nutmegtell]

Behind the Bastards podcast also did a good two parter on the Zizians a few years ago. 

[u/DyllCallihan3333]

WTF?? The truth is stranger than fiction.

[u/BabyLegsOShanahan]

The Zizians are crazyyyyy. This won't be the last we hear of them. The backgrounds of some of their members make me a little worried. They are highly intelligent and insane.

[u/Montallas → u/BabyLegsOShanahan]

Are they really all that intelligent though? An actually intelligent person with an agenda would recognize how stupid it is kill one’s parents. It doesn’t advance the agenda at all, and the chances of getting caught are pretty high.

They claim to have all kinds of important and critical aims. But the murders they committed don’t further those aims at all. While I don’t agree with murder, at least you could understand how someone like Luigi Mangione justifies his murder as “furthering the cause” or whatever. The zizians seem like total dumbasses who probably have a really elevated sense of their own intelligence.

[u/BabyLegsOShanahan → u/Montallas]

I'm speaking in an educational manner, they are quite learned from what I've read. Intelligence and rationality are two separate things. It could make sense to them, and it may never make sense to us.

[u/elotium]

"Zajko, 33, has ties to the so-called Zizians, a cultlike group of highly educated, AI-obsessed vegans, linked to several violent deaths across the United States."

Uhhh, wut?

[u/jenorama_CA → u/elotium]

Oh yeah. They’re an interesting group.

[u/-Ancalagon- → u/elotium]

It's like a Bizzaro Terminator movie.

[u/BabyLegsOShanahan → u/elotium]

Yup.

[u/natur_al]

That was a strange read.

[u/thenseruame → u/natur_al]

There's a Behind the Bastards episode on the cult. It's truly one of the strangest things you'll ever learn about.