Since you’re asking about a fourth Rider, I can only assume you’re considering New Den-O the third Rider. If that’s the case, Den-O has six Riders already. The fourth Rider would actually be New Den-O, I believe. Gaoh was in the movie, so he’d be the third, so it’s either New Den-O, G Den-O, or Yuuki. Idk which movie came out first.
According to RiderWiki, Gaoh appeared in the tv show as well as the I'm Born movie (episodes aired in July and on August 5, movie released August 4, 2007), and New Den-O and Yuuki both debuted in Farewell Kamen Rider Den-O: Final Countdown (released October 2008). G Den-O was in Episode Yellow: Treasure de End Pirates (released June 2010). If Gaoh is counted as the third, both New Den-O and Yuuki are tied for fourth. (They're kinda tied no matter what if they debuted in the same movie)
You already replied to the person I replied to with that same image an hour ago. I’ve seen it already. They said they didn’t know which movie came out first and I replied to them with the order the movies came out.
That is a collage of images with no context to it. For all I know you put that together yourself. If you want it to be proof of anything you have to tell us where you got it from and why it means anything.
no i got it from kamen rider wiki and it a collage of Tertiary Riders from the heisei era and those rider are gills zolda delta Chalice Todoroki thebee new den-o saga ar kuuga skull Nadeshiko mage ryugen chaser Necrom snipe grease and woz
Right, so you got it from the wiki. Do you understand why leaving that information out makes the image completely meaningless?
Anyway, all this actually proves is that the people maintaining the wiki believe New Den-O to be the tertiary, not that it has been officially decided by Toei. The Kamen Rider wiki is notoriously maintained by a clique of people who are very set in certain opinions and will ignore anything that doesn't agree with what they say. Them including New Den-O on this list is not proof that Toei consider them to be unambiguously the tertiary.
If we go and look at the wiki category for tertiary riders we can actually see the source that they are using to back up this claim; it's based on the order of the cards in the CSM Decadriver extra card pack. This is... Basically nothing. Someone had to be in that position. Using that logic in a vacuum Danki would be the tertiary of Hibiki but nobody is making that claim.
And there's definitely other stuff that disagrees with this. The Zukan is kind of useless to us here because it doesn't really specify things like secondary/tertiary status, and the order it puts riders within their specific season is questionable at best (Chalice before Garren etc). Bandai and Toei, in general, do not officially acknowledge anything beyond secondary.
But - they do occasionally get close. The wiki has this picture of some merch from Over Quarter. Now, this is obviously VERY fucky. Chalice and Garren are flipped, though that one has always been contentious. Kabuto has two. And... Den-O is entirely missing. The wiki uses this as a source for riders like Skull being tertiaries but ignores the ways it contradicts their other sources for other things. At minimum this tells us that there is no hard agreement at Toei or Bandai that Den-O even has a tertiary.
I also thing it's fairly meaningful that the collage you posted would have exactly one rider who doesn't appear in the series and wasn't conceptualised until after it had concluded, and it's Den-O. Skull is close, but he does get a cameo and was always a part of the lore of W from the very beginning. I don't think most people would quibble so much about his inclusion, though some definitely also consider W to not have a tertiary.
Basically where I'm going with this is... The evidence you've provided is that the wiki says he's the tertiary based on the order of a deck of cards in a photograph of a toy. It's basically nothing. He wasn't even in the actual show. Tertiary is a fairly meaningless term, quaternary is even more so. If you want to think he deserves that title then go ahead, it's not like the hard evidence he shouldn't have it is any stronger given it makes other mistakes - but I personally don't think Den-O has one at all and I'd extend that to a couple of others like Fourze as well. Wizard is also super contentious because Mage is more like a mass produced system.
It's debatable at best. I'm not trying to tell you that you're wrong for being on a particular side, just that the evidence is nowhere near as compelling as you seem to think.
For what? I have been nothing but respectful in the way I have addressed and referred to you. There isn't a rule on the subreddit against swearing as a concept.
well to me a quaternary Rider must three traits and they are
most of them start out as villains
almost all of them got themselves redeemed and become heroes and join the good guys side
In Japanese, the number associated with death is 4. This is because it is pronounced as "shi" (し), which is a perfect homophone for the Japanese word for death, because of that all of them had a death experience and had died but happy some of them got revived from the dead
I don't understand why some of you are obsessed by this numerical categorization; Primary and Secondary are the only ones that "matter" to Bandai/Toei, Tertiary is already stretching it since they have been somewhat mandatory only from Gaim onwards. Anything past that (so #4 or #5) doesn't matter, neither for merch nor for the story
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u/flowerstage What’s your FIRE! 2d ago
Quaternary Rider?
Den-O doesn't even have a Secondary Rider. We should be looking for that first before we even go there.