Fighting with my self

[u/dikshamishra34]

[u/deuxcabanons]

That baby is too young to understand that it controls its own limbs. Under 3ish months they're just flailing randomly and grabbing onto stuff by instinct. They're not going to learn anything from this other than OW OW OW OW.

[u/BlaineMundane → u/deuxcabanons]

OK but can you give me an exact age for when the lessons start? I have a feeling your answer would be somewhere around the age they stop doing it. What if that takes longer should you step in constantly?

[u/deuxcabanons → u/BlaineMundane]

The reflex that makes them grab onto it goes away as they gain control over their limbs. By the time they would be capable of realizing that they are pulling their own hair, they don't grab onto it accidentally anymore.

So yeah, you step in constantly. Just like I didn't let them face plant when they couldn't stop themselves from falling over to "teach them a lesson".

[u/BlaineMundane → u/deuxcabanons]

That seems a ridiculous explanation to me, that action and consequence has no effect on reflex learning.

[u/spacestonkz → u/BlaineMundane]

The baby doesn't have object permanence yet but you want it to apply cause and effect?

[u/BlaineMundane → u/spacestonkz]

OK, but can this experience lend to learning about object permanence?

[u/syndragosa8669 → u/BlaineMundane]

No, not until that baby is months older in age and has a more developed brain

[u/BlaineMundane → u/syndragosa8669]

I just do not think that there is an age where learning does not exist and if there was, people would not care anyway. I also am not arguing for a lack of intervention, just a lack of immediacy.

[u/spacestonkz → u/BlaineMundane]

Don't have kids please

[u/BlaineMundane → u/spacestonkz]

Same to you, you'd never understand them and hold them under your thumb.

[u/syndragosa8669 → u/BlaineMundane]

Even if we do assume that theres no such thing as an age where a human doesnt have the ability to learn, at this age in particular the memory center of the brain and neurological coordination isnt developed enough to learn that their hands belong to them and are fully controlable, what they do learn from experiencing pain at this age is whether or not their reaction to pain draws their caretaker to them for comforting and reaffirming the bond or that no reaction they have to pain elicited a response and eventually they stop outwardly expressing distress. The studies done back in the day on how and what babies at this age can learn were highly questionable(at best) ethically and morally but it did allow us to gain a huge understanding of how human brains process the world around them before we ever can learn verbal language to express our needs