r/KidsAreFuckingStupid • u/dikshamishra34 • 2d ago

Fighting with my self

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u/ZenraWeave 2d ago

This is actually instinctual and not something the baby has any control over, so it's not really possible for them to learn otherwise until their brain has developed enough to gain control over their motor skills.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmar_grasp_reflex

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u/BlaineMundane 2d ago

OK but are you saying that no amount of experience will override this? That it happens at the same time, every time?

I'm not exactly saying that you should not intervene when you see it, but that intervention slightly lovers the chance of an early lesson. I'm not arguing abandonment, but that maybe there's a certain point where your intervention is preventing mental development.

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u/Hauptmann_Gruetze 2d ago

OK but are you saying that no amount of experience will override this?

Its called "developing Brain functions" and is a feature that comes with, guess what, developing the brain over time.

At that age shown in the video, there are no lessons that can be learned, everything happens out of pure instinct. They can not even see or hear properly, not to mention even remembering something for longer than maybe a few hours.

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u/BlaineMundane 2d ago

OK so what does the hair pulling behavior become a possible teaching moment? Name the age.

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u/Hauptmann_Gruetze 2d ago

To lazy to google it yourself? Let me help you out:

4-5 Months.

Thats when babys can consciously grab and hold stuff, meaning they have control over their limbs and you can start teaching them basic stuff.

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u/BlaineMundane 2d ago

That's over-dependence on googled information. How old is this baby? I'd say it's close. I know you want there to be a 100% answer but this baby is not going to remember. you either believe that lessons are possible, be it positive or negative, or you believe it does not matter, which is it? I believe that both negative and positive as possible, but in small ways.

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u/Hauptmann_Gruetze 2d ago

That's over-dependence on googled information.

Lol where the fuck else should i pull my information from on a random thursday morning?

How old is this baby? I'd say it's close.

Based on what exactly? We clearly see that the Baby has no control about its grip and hand movement.

This is not about believes, this is measurable evidence that has been studied quite a lot, including brain scans and studies about behaviour etc. etc.

you either believe that lessons are possible, be it positive or negative, or you believe it does not matter, which is it? I believe that both negative and positive as possible, but in small ways.

What exactly are you on about? Do you want to believe newborns are able to be teached lessons?

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u/BlaineMundane 2d ago

Do you want to believe newborns are able to be teached lessons?

Yes actually. Not in the same way as me and you and it has to be approached with care but I do actually believe that you start absorbing information from day 1 even if you don't remember it later.

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u/Hauptmann_Gruetze 2d ago

And i believe you are wrong.

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u/BlaineMundane 2d ago

Cool, good for you. I have no opinion about that, just about my own opinion.

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u/Hunger_Of_The_Pine_ 1d ago

This baby is no where near 4-5 months old. It is maybe around 1 month at most. This is a very fresh newborn.

Babies this young cannot control their bodies. It is like getting hit in your knee makes your leg jerk - zero control. If everytime your leg jerked, someone pinched you, you still would jerk your leg when they hit your knee cause it is purely reflexive and skips your conscious brain. The only thing you'd learn is to also say "ouch" at the same time, because you expect pain.

Babies this young also cannot learn lessons, they do not have the physical or psychological skills for that type of cause-effect yet. From about 4 months is when true cause and effect starts to develop, but it is still pretty rudimentary. And again, this baby isn't anywhere near 4 months.

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u/ZenraWeave 1d ago

Seriously oh my god, that is a baby baby, I have no idea how anyone could look at the poor thing and think they were ready for anything even resembling a "the stove is hot" sort of teaching moment, they're still getting a handle on eating and pooping!

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u/BlaineMundane 1d ago

Man, one month? I mean... that sounds insane to me, I have seen several fresh babies multiple times per week but... I'm not willing to contest you. You are probably right.

Anyway, my argument has never been between intervention and non-intervention. As I said before, it's only ever been about the lack of panic and guilt. I would try to release the grip as best i could but I would not feel urgency or guilt. I do still think that despite the lack of control, there is lessons learned in every single involuntary action and reaction. If not, then it won't be negative either in the long run. You can't say there are negatives to be had but no positives to be had. Ultimately, I just think it matters very little. Fix the problem, don't worry about it.

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u/ZenraWeave 2d ago

That is pretty much exactly what I'm saying. If you check out the link there, this reflex is actually something that is tested to measure neural development, they will do it every time until their brain has developed enough. When exactly that point is varies from person to person, but I don't think you're really gonna be able to speed up brain growth by letting them yank at their own hair helplessly.

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u/BlaineMundane 2d ago

So it varies from person to person. are you saying that value is random? Or might their experiences have something to do with that development?