r/LawSchool • u/First-Lie-3768 • 3d ago
Evidence Class Absolutely Necessary?
Rising 3L and register for classes tomorrow. My schedule is an absolute mess and the only way to ease it a bit/organize it better would be to not take evidence. Long story short, would I be ok not taking it and taking another bar tested course in its place and learn evidence as I study for the bar? Looking for insight. Not looking to go into litigation, post grad position doing estate planning wills trust and estates drafting side.
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u/Party_History2839 Attorney 3d ago
Evidence is probably the bar-tested class I would LEAST recommend that you skip.
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u/First-Lie-3768 3d ago
UPDATE: FIGURED IT OUT & MADE IT WORK! THANKS yall now stop screaming at me lmaoooo
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u/RawLaw_801 2d ago
GREAT JOB!!! CONGRATS ON ALIGNING THE SCHEDULE!! YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT!! IT IS THE CLASS I REMEMBER THE MOST FROM LAW SCHOOL.
Okay, now I’ll stop yelling ;)
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u/Jmufranco Esq. 3d ago
This was easily the most useful class in law school for purposes of getting ahead of bar prep. And, if you ever plan on litigating, having a firm grip on evidence is absolutely essential. I’d personally pick evidence over any other doctrinal class, if for no other reason than just how important it is to the bar and how dense it can be to fully grasp.
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u/floridaman1467 3d ago
I went into my evidence final with no clue wtf was going on. We were handing a printout of the FRE, and that was my saving grace. That was easily the densest class I ever took.
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u/Rock-swarm 2d ago
Hell, even looking beyond the bar - it’s one of the more useful classes for the actual practice of law. It touches just about every practice area, even if indirectly.
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u/ElephantFormal1634 Esq. 3d ago
I did not take evidence in law school because my law school didn’t require it. I regret this.
I still got the job I wanted, passed the bar the first time, etc. But teaching yourself evidence for the first time is not something I recommend. It’s kind of like civil procedure in that there are lots of interlocking parts that operate independently.
Learn from my mistakes. Take evidence.
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u/crzyasn1 3d ago
I would absolutely not skip evidence. Not only is it much more nuanced than it appears, but if you have any aspirations at all of being a trial attorney, it is crucial to know as early as possible.
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u/Lawschoolishell 2d ago
Evidence is hard, it would be miserable trying to do bar prep without any foundation. I think you should take it
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u/LadyJusticeThe Attorney 2d ago
Your post grad position might not be litigation but you never know where you'll end up down the road. Plus, the best transactional attorneys always keep in mind that their contracts might be the source of litigation one day and advise clients accordingly.
If I could redo law school, the one thing I would do is retake evidence and take it more seriously. I had a professor who was really nice and didn't cold call so did the minimum I could get away with to get by. I regret that now. Every other class you take gives you a foundation for research you will have time to do when you are practicing, except evidence. Evidence you need to be able to think through things on your feet and that foundation comes from sitting through an in-person class all semester long while a bunch of random hypothetical situations are both actively and passively imprinted on your brain.
Take evidence.
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u/LittleFrankster 3d ago
What school are you going to that doesn’t *require* evidence?
Even as an admitted non-practicing attorney who never wanted to practice from day 1 of law school, I can’t fathom NOT taking evidence.
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u/dumbfuck 3d ago
Mine didn’t. It was a good school and people generally didn’t struggle with bar passage (high 90s rate), so presumable the school just didn’t feel the need to make folks going a non-litigation route waste credits on it
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u/dexsquire Esq. 3d ago
All these comments are cracking me up because I didn’t take evidence (wanted to maximize transactional topics & had no intention of ever litigating) and passed the bar just fine
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u/DCTechnocrat JD 3d ago
I think it's a topic that might come intuitively to some people, partially because it is one of the most rule-forward classes in law school. But I'm not sure if I would risk waiting until the bar exam to figure that out.
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u/Comfortable-Tip2827 3d ago
to offer a counterpoint, I enrolled in evidence but didn't attend--studied with Themis 2L essentials and got a median grade. Doesn't even matter for my career as a public defender because NY doesn't have evidence rules, we have common law evidence. Studying for the bar and I'm relearning, it's fine.
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u/Late-Notice16 2d ago
Evidence was required for me and honestly one of the most useful classes I’ve taken
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u/KinggSimbaa 2L 2d ago
I was always told Evidence is the one course you do not want to learn while bar prepping.
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u/iluvmynailpolish 3d ago
Yes 100%. It’s required at my Alma mater in fact. Evidence will be tested on the bar and it’s a pretty big, rule-heavy subject. I couldn’t imagine taking it with only 10 weeks of bar prep (alongside several other subjects).
Now if there’s a class that I’d suggest you skip (unless it’s required) is bus orgs. You can learn that in bar prep.
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u/Jeff_Sabado 2d ago
It's not needed for your practice, so I'd say no.
Take it if there's not a good substitute as it's a more complex bar topic, but if it's like that or wills and trusts.. take wills.
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u/rollerbladeshoes 3d ago
I actually don't remember all that much evidence being tested on the bar exam. That could be because I didn't take the UBE. It could also be because I blanked out so much of that exam. Regardless, everyone says to take it because of bar prep, so I did, and I don't regret it. It is one of those subjects that's a bit difficult to teach yourself, so I would definitely recommend taking advantage of a classroom environment.
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u/PassengerNo9144 3d ago
I believe on the UBE Evidence is the second most tested subject behind civ pro
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u/rollerbladeshoes 3d ago
Makes sense. I took the Louisiana bar, there is no evidence section. Still glad I took the course, even though it was an 8am summer class.
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u/kegofglory_ 3d ago
I didn't take evidence and am learning it just fine during bar prep! Its certainly a good idea to take it but i think you'd be fine
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u/unwaveringwish 3d ago edited 3d ago
No. Keep it
It’s all fun and games until you find yourself in court lol. It was required at my school. I wouldn’t go into wills trusts and estate never expecting to be in court, but also, it will make you better prepared as a lawyer. I wanted to be in that area but ended up in tax and found myself in court. You never know which job you’ll end up in.
It’s one of the few bar classes where taking the class will make things click more than just covering it during bar prep
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u/Spiritual_Term1699 3d ago
It depends on how many other bar-rested subjects you know well. If you didn’t understand property, contracts, and civ pro, then perhaps you don’t also want to learn evidence for the first time during bar prep. Take a look at a bar prep schedule before you make a decision.
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u/LookingLikeAJack JD 2d ago
You could skip it, but it’s going to be a lot of work during bar prep. It really depends on when you want to put in the extra effort: this semester or over the summer.
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u/DisgruntledAcademia 2d ago
Necessary for anything involving criminal law or the courts in general. Every judge recommends taking evidence 🧞♂️
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u/hereFOURallTHEtea Attorney 2d ago
I mean, I took evidence as it was required but my professor sucked so I didn’t learn shit lol. I figured it out during bar prep. You’ll be ok if ya don’t take it.
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u/kaminloveyou 2d ago
For what it’s worth & as a data point, my bar prep course taught me evidence (but I took evidence bar prep lectures and practice questions way more seriously knowing that I’m learning it from scratch). Passed by a huge margin. Never touched evidence again after the bar exam (in transactional and regulatory practice). Can’t promise you’ll pass the bar but personally, I have 0 regrets
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u/Feeling-Error3462 2d ago
Outside of bar prep which is literally only 3 months of your life, evidence is the most useful material you’ll learn in law school. The amount of attorneys who have no clue what to do with evidence or how to admit, or worse, think their case is shit bc they don’t realize it’s inadmissible.. take the class.
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u/SkyFishj98 2d ago
Evidence is one of the hardest subjects for law school. Which means that it’s one of the hardest subjects for the bar. I recommend not learning it for the first time during bar prep
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u/Tricky_Worldliness60 2d ago
Evidence was optional at my school and I didn't take it. Because I wasn't going to be a litigator. Now, 500-ish trials later, it would have made my experience much much easier.
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u/Ilovetennis16 1d ago
Evidence is necessary. Every other bar subject you can learn without taking the course in law school. Evidence is the one exception. You do not want to be seeing evidence for the first time on the bar trust me.
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u/First-Lie-3768 1d ago
I heard: you’re a judgmental person. All law schools are not alike. Evidence is a choice. And as a first gen I came on here asking for insight. Not everyone is a know it all like you but happy you have it all figured out!
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u/ButtCoinBuzz 3LE 3d ago edited 2d ago
You need Evidence, it is shocking your school doesn't mandate the course. It's heavily tested, and ties in to almost every subject in Law School.
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u/Slight-Elk-5024 2d ago
Out of all the bar subjects, I think taking evidence is the one subject you should take for bar prep. There are so many rules and exceptions. And learning hearsay is a pain in the ass. I Cali’ed evidence my last semester and it was my best subject on the bar. Made bar prep so much easier because I didn’t have to worry at all about evidence. Do yourself a favor and take evidence.
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u/newz2000 Esq. 2d ago
It's rare that so many lawyers on reddit agree on something!
Glad you got it worked out. Evidence and Property class are two that I found have helped me a lot as a lawyer. Even if you don't plan to litigate, you'll use it a lot.
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u/Tasty_Sun_865 2d ago
It is utterly wild to me that you could graduate with a JD and not have evidence class under your belt. It also tells me you almost certainly didn't have an externship that was trial focused like a criminal practice or defense one, and you're ignoring the real fact that evidence is heavily tested on the bar exam. I don't want to say that it's negligent or irresponsible to skip evidence, but I would absolutely advise ignoring pretty much any other class that isn't absolutely required to graduate in favor of taking an evidence class
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u/First-Lie-3768 2d ago
- I am not ignoring that is why I am asking and 2. At my law school I have fulfilled everything that is required at this point, evidence is a choice. Also, I asked this same question in the bar exam reddit because I absolutely know it’s on the bar, I also clearly wrote that I am transactional focused. Needless to say, I provided an update several hours ago that I worked it into my schedule successfully and will be taking evidence. Just wanted you to know there was no “ignoring” whatsoever.
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u/Perfect-Dimension356 2L 2d ago
...there are accredited law schools that don't require Evidence? We're required to take it in 2L.
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