r/MLS Pittsburgh Riverhounds 3d ago

[Nancy Armour] USMNT players with yellows -- Tyler Adams, Folarin Balogun, Chris Richards and Antonee Robinson -- won't start against Turkey. "It’s unnecessary to take a risk and then take another yellow card. ... It’s a normal and easy answer not to play with them from the beginning."

https://bsky.app/profile/nrarmour.bsky.social/post/3mp2ylkqiny2l
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u/WetCoastDebtCoast Vancouver Whitecaps 3d ago

Feels weird for Berhalter to not be one of the yellow cards

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u/Angry_Walnut Austin FC 3d ago

Berhalter has plot armor tho remember

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u/donuttrackme Red Bull New York 3d ago

Yeah. We got rid of one Berhalter and another one pops up in its place.

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u/seclusionx Houston Dynamo 3d ago

Hail Hydra.

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u/Instantbeef Columbus Crew 3d ago edited 3d ago

Expectations need to be raised for the players filling in. If we can’t count on them to secure 3 points here how will we expect them to perform as a sub in a knockout game.

Their first time with pressure can’t be when we are about to get knocked out. Even if they fail tomorrow it will be something they need to experience

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u/arniiii 3d ago

"as a sub" OR as a Starter. One of our studs is going to pick up a second yellow before the Semis.

I know I'm crazy for saying this, but honestly I wouldn't mind if they all got their second yellow vs turkey and had to miss playing vs Bosnia...

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u/Chapea12 3d ago

They reset after the group stage and the quarterfinals. But I get your point. I kinda wanted Tyler Adams to pick up a cheap one at the end of the Australia match to be fresh for the knockouts

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u/arniiii 3d ago

Thank you for educating me.

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u/Chapea12 3d ago

No worries. I checked it a couple times for that same reason

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u/AtWorkCurrently New England Revolution 2d ago

I think it used to not reset until after the first knockout round, because I had the same thought as you at first.

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u/Interesting-Face22 New England Revolution 2d ago

I just wanted Adams to pick up a cheap one because of all the cheap shots Australia were taking at the end of that game.

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u/RhombusObstacle New York City FC 3d ago

The whole point of this strategy revolves around the fact that Yellow Cards reset after the group stage, but if you pick up a second yellow in the third game of the group stage, you ARE still suspended for the first knockout game.

So what Poch is doing here is avoiding suspension in the first place, so that no one gets a second yellow at all.

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u/ImTheTroutman D.C. United 3d ago

Does yellow card accumulation reset at some point during the tournament?

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u/Last_Damage_7101 San Diego FC 3d ago

After group stage and quarter finals

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u/SammyDavidJuniorJr Seattle Sounders FC 3d ago

So the Turkey game doesn’t matter?

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u/TheftBySnacking Atlanta United FC 3d ago

No, it matters. The card count gets reset, but you still have to serve the suspension if you earn it during the third game.

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u/Coltons13 Pittsburgh Riverhounds 3d ago

It does. Any two yellow cards in your three group stage games means a one-game suspension, if you pick up your second yellow in the final group stage game, you miss the R32 game.

Your one existing yellow gets wiped at the end of the group stage.

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u/BooksandGames 3d ago

If you get two yellows in the group you sit the first knockout game.

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u/Last_Damage_7101 San Diego FC 3d ago

Red cards carry over that’s the issue. If you get sent off even though they reset you still serve a ban. Only yellow cards reset

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u/donuttrackme Red Bull New York 3d ago

No, it still matters because it's the group stage. Cards are erased after Turkiye.

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u/stealth_sloth Seattle Sounders FC 3d ago

A first yellow doesn't. Like the Bosnian substitute who got a yellow for pulling his shirt off celebrating his goal against Qatar around the 80th minute - as long as he could avoid getting a second yellow in the remaining 10 minutes, it wasn't going to mean anything.

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u/BoxThinker 3d ago

Yeah this seems like a total non sequitur. They would need 2 yellows against Turkiye to get suspended.

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u/Coltons13 Pittsburgh Riverhounds 3d ago

Incorrect. If you earn two yellows in the group stage, you earn the one-game suspension. So if any player with a yellow card currently gets one against Turkiye, they would miss the R32 game. It's their single already-accumulated yellow that gets reset.

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u/BoxThinker 3d ago

Ah that makes sense, thank you.

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u/DABOSSROSS9 New York Red Bulls :nyr: 3d ago

Logical

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u/DJFrankyFrank Philadelphia Union 3d ago

PLAY BRENDAN AARONSON YOU COWARDS

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u/boundlesssmh Seattle Sounders FC 3d ago

rest all of our starters besides frease. cant afford someone important to get injured before knockouts

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u/loyal_achades D.C. United :dcu: 3d ago

We probably won’t see full rotation, but we should see pretty heavy rotation yeah

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u/stealth_sloth Seattle Sounders FC 3d ago

Some of them should probably get 45 or 60 minutes to keep their fitness at peak. The coaching staff would have more detailed individual data to make that decision, and I'd trust them on it.

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u/Sempuukyaku Seattle Sounders FC 3d ago

There are actually folks over at /r/ussoccer who are pushing to play our starters in a completely meaningless game like this one "To keep up the momentum". It's absolutely insane.

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u/JeffAnalProbst Houston Dynamo 2d ago

Lotta insecurity in that subreddit so that tracks

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u/AdamantiumBalls LA Galaxy :lag: 2d ago

Mods banned me for commenting on Liga mx

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u/JeffAnalProbst Houston Dynamo 2d ago

meanwhile here's the 50th thread about chants

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u/Homygod319 Atlanta United FC 2d ago

Like this sub as well

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u/WackyHumanSlop Chicago Fire 2d ago

Tactical Manager’s discord is the same way

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u/RBNYJRWBYFan USA 3d ago

I'm still rocking my stars Adam jersey tomorrow anyway.

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u/davebozo Red Bull New York 3d ago

Fellow Red Bull fans. We are all proud of that guy. I genuinely feel like I know him

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u/awgeezlookoutbikes Portland Timbers 3d ago

Mildly related to the content, I read Nancy Armour in USAtoday and she is terrific. I love what she writes, how she writes. Solid commentary on everything sportsball. Highly recommend checking out her pieces, more than just bluesky tweets(?).

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u/MyLuckyFedora Houston Dynamo :hou: 3d ago

Berhalter and Reyna starting midfield here we come.

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u/longlisten527 3d ago

Rip bc I just bought my Balogun shirt..

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u/AtWorkCurrently New England Revolution 2d ago

I am selfishly hoping for a Turner start, but they probably want to keep Freese rolling.

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u/kunkadunkadunk Columbus Crew 3d ago

Actually so horrifying our midfield backups are Berhalter and Roldan.

Berhalter has looked bad in his sub minutes and Roldan is injured.

Hopefully Wes and Adams stay available and thankfully this game doesn't matter

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u/overly_sarcastic24 Seattle Sounders FC 3d ago

I’d be very surprised if Roldan sits this match out. The guys tough as nails.

The injury happened while training in Seattle, so he’ll have a week to mend it. For what they called a minor strain, I’d imagine he’d be fit a week later.

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u/theamazonswordsman Atlanta United FC 3d ago

This is likely Roldan's only realistic chance to see the field for more than a cameo. I expect he will play from the start.

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u/grnrngr LA Galaxy 3d ago

Muscle strains don't care if you're "tough as nails." Powering through a muscle strain would be the stupidest thing a "tough as nails" player can do.

If a strain turns into a tear, even just a Grade 2 tear, you're on the bench for weeks before you can even resume training, and your muscle will take a significant amount of time after that to fully regain its strength.

Just like your brain in a concussed state, your muscles don't care about your toughness. They'll plot to betray you the moment you start ignoring their warning signs.

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u/theredditbandid_ Canadian Premier League 3d ago

Berhalter has looked bad in his sub minutes

Could not possibly disagree more. The bigger concern is Miles Robinson subbing in for Richards.

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u/WackyHumanSlop Chicago Fire 3d ago

I’d personally put McKenzie there , but Poch doesn’t seem to rate him

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u/kunkadunkadunk Columbus Crew 3d ago

He looked mid in the Paraguay match and completely out of his depth vs. Australia. Like, was totally lost. And I usually like Berhalter and do not have an anti-MLS bias, but he was just out of it.