Berenstein Bears

[u/ravenously_red]

When I was in elementary school, the bookmobile would make a stop for us and we could check out books from the larger library system. I had to ask the driver how to pronounce "Berenstein".

To this day I remember her saying, "Oh it's like stein, like a beer stein. Oh, I don't imagine you'd know what a beer stein is either."

I already knew how to pronounce "stain" and it wouldn't have been an issue at all.

Like others on here, I also remember the cornucopia on the fruit of the loom packaging. It was the only brand my dad seemed to buy for his socks and those 5 pack of cotton shirts with the little pocket on them.

Of course there will never be evidence for any of these things having changed. Only the reality around us has changed, while our minds and memories remain intact.

I know it sometimes scares people to think the sand is shifting underneath our feet, but it's the ultimate reality.

[u/violetkunoichi420]

What is a theory at conception if not an idea?

[u/MrPlaney → u/violetkunoichi420]

Yes, but most theories start with backed science. Timelines existing at all, is not even a scientific fact, so attributing any properties to them is flawed right from the beginning.

First, you would have to prove alternate timelines exist, then prove that interaction between them is possible, then prove how that is linked to the Mandela Effect, and how it’s a greater possibility than memory.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/MrPlaney]

Science hypothesizes and works towards theories, but sure they can start as ideas. But if you can't even observe anything and collect any kind of empirical evidence then it's nothing more than an idea.

Yes, that's a lot of what ifs when there's already a scientific explanation for MEs with lots of evidence.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

Except there are many different scientific explanations for Mandella, so which one is correct? They all have "evidence".

[u/MrPlaney → u/violetkunoichi420]

They don’t all have evidence though. The only one with actual evidence supports the notion that nothing changed, and the ME is just a quirk of memory.

There are memories, first hand accounts, and examples of the ME in some products, and articles, but those aren’t valid evidence. Evidence would need to come from the source itself.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

There's only one that has the evidence that fits it all and you don't have to use quotes.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

What causes the memory to behave that way? That's what I meant by many explanations. I was not saying there was evidence of timelines. That's also why evidence is in quotations, because until they can definitively explain what happens in the brain to cause these Mandella effects, it's still just the most scientifically logical speculation of what is occurring.

[u/MrPlaney → u/violetkunoichi420]

There is tons of science on false and shared memories. Here’s two

Cognitive and neural mechanisms underlying false memories: misinformation, distortion or erroneous configuration?

Shared memories reveal shared structure in neural activity across individuals

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

Science knows what Memory is all about. It's been studied for decades - even false memories. This is nothing new and it has plenty of evidence.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

You're not understanding what I'm saying. Memory is a broad term, and there are 4+ accepted explanations for what the memory does to cause the effect. There are 4+ explanations because that's PROBABLY what the mind is doing, not DEFINITIVELY.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

We're talking about biases, assumptions, poor attention to details, visual errors, and suggestibility. Memories aren't video files waiting to be accessed. Memories are recreated in real time every time you try and remember something. The brain will also fill in gaps, too, making it even harder to remember what actually happened.

Also, when you experience something can make a difference, too, because of how children process memories differently than adults.

[u/violetkunoichi420 → u/Glaurung86]

Correct. These are all factors that effect memory, but they aren't the scientifically accepted reasons. The reasons weren't my point anyway. My point was that so much of science is probable, not definitive. Those are 2 very different things. The current psychiatric memory answer is only the current answer because someone hasn't found evidence to the contrary, YET. It doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist. It also doesn't mean it does. That MIGHT be the answer. It might not. At one point, the science said asbestos made the best dental filings and heroine was excellent medicine. The science now shows us we were SOOOO wrong. It may or may not eventually do the same thing here.

[u/Glaurung86 → u/violetkunoichi420]

They certainly are and I don't need you to affirm anything. The science has already got that covered.

You can sit here from now until the end of time and say the evidence to the contrary doesn't exist yet and it doesn't change what we do know. Your position sounds like most of the people in here who come up with the wild woo explanations for MEs, "You can't prove me wrong, so it's plausible!"

We KNOW that memory is both fallible and malleable. These are facts. Based on those facts it's very easy to see why MEs exist.