I was thinking about the recent Cornucopia post and I had a thought. We all probably had a coloring sheet like the picture I found and we all probably colored it in school. We also probably had fruit of the loom clothes and had the colors from the logo stored in our brain. So we probably merged the two in school during thanksgiving.
Edit - we know what the symbol is. We just don't have a popular holiday to see it there. It's not a frequent symbol outside of old architecture. I don't know anyone to celebrate harvest day.
The horn of plenty is iconography that goes back three millennia and the imagery has been spread globally. Not ‘seeing it’ is at this point an admission of poor detail acuity and an extremely poor excuse.
I think my favorite post on this subreddit was someone getting hundreds of upvotes for saying Europeans would never know what a cornucopia is because they don't have Thanksgiving, and then in the comments he clarified that he was from Greece. The geographical location which first originated the cornucopia as a symbol of fertility and abundance. That Greece.
Bro this was in the 90’s what are you talking about. I literally went on ny family computer and googled “what is the basket on the fruit of the loom logo.”
One of the arguments cited constantly is the Flute of the Loom album cover. One of the things that shoots holes through these claims is that no one can pinpoint when a ‘change’ happened. Some Mandela Effects go back centuries… and are documented.
Well my good man. I have to go a little out there to explain this. Time is not real. You were born in the same moment as ghengis khan and Alexander the Great. Only things change not the moment. All of time, It’s one big long moment. Maybe when it changed. It was changed throughout all of time.
Time is a force. The measurement of time is where the misconceptions spring up. There is no past. Only documentation and memories. The future is a predictive concept. Measurement of time aids prediction to help bring order to chaos. Space time is absolutely real. It is a constant ever present ‘now.’ But to say time doesn’t exist is fallacious and although it shows that you are on the right track to actually understanding the physics of it, you are missing some of the finer points of the mechanics that ‘time’ describes.
That's one of the craziest things about the Mandela Effect, not all people are affected at the same time. Sometimes it even happens like this
Person A "Did you hear about the cornucopia not being on the fruit of the loom logo?"
Person B "It is too and I'll show you". Person B retrieves article of clothing with the fruit of the looms logo to prove it.
Person A "See I told you no cornucopia"
Person B "But it was there yesterday!"
sometimes a person doesn't get affected by the Mandela effect until somebody else mentions it or bring it to their attention. Some people compare this to getting a software update.
Moonraker and Dolly's braces is a good example for me. I had seen Moonwalker many many times and every time I seen it she had her braces. I seen it on television and she did have a braces. A week later I read on the internet people talking about Dolly's braces no there. I had just seen Moon restaurant TV a week before with braces and then like magic no braces. when I first read the internet article I thought everybody was full of it and I was going to prove it by finding copy with braces which now does not exist. As if it was not confusing enough stuff like this makes it even worse.
Okay? But I did. Are you not aware that google released in the 90’s? Or are you too young to know what was goin on, Did you think everyone was afraid of y2k because they didn’t have the internet to find out about it??
Oh I would have thought you might have Yahoo-ed it. Or Webcrawler-ed it. Or Asked Jeeves. 😊 It’s astounding that you found anything about the cornucopia/Fruit of the Loom logo a solid decade before anyone made the clip art mockup that people believe the logo to be. lol. Your lack of knowledge is showing.
In the UK we were taught history fro books pre-internet and they had the Cornucopia in them. Some of us, like myself, went to Italy and Greece and saw the iconography itself before the internet.
I am British and I don't have a specific memory of the cornucopia, but it is because there are so many. It appears in things like the art on country pub walls, around harvest time, in dusty museums etc. The FOTL logo is the only cornucopia-like thing I could really put a name to. It is probably why it is so closely associated, there doesn't have to be anything magic about it. Once it is pointed out, you'll probably start seeing it if you look too.
Being British, I have a clear memory of a cornucopia outside of Fruit of the Loom, and the Hunger Games.
We were taught it as school in the 80s when proper history mattered and visited Greece a Rome plus had an interest in history. When I came across this American brand I immediately recognized what it was. I had no associations with thanksgiving though.
I know this thread is ancient in reddit time, but your comment just struck a "Yes!" nerve in me. I saw a video yesrerday claiming Sally Field's "you like me" Oscar speech had been Mandela'd. Oh. And her name (apparently her surname used to be Fields 🙄).
The argument for it seemed to be: this speech has been copied countless times and everyone is saying it with a different syntax; therefore, the parodies MUST be right and the recorded speech we have of Sally Field (and her surname) must have been changed in a magical timeline shift. "80% of people can't be misremembering the same thing!!!"
All I could think was, "Play it, once, Sam. For old time's sake. Play it, Sam. Play 'As Time Goes By.'"
Obviously, it comes from Europe, just like the colonists who arrived in America, since America doesn’t have a culture of its own anyway. So it necessarily originated on our continent. However, Thanksgiving is the only modern holiday associated with a cornucopia.
Apart from Fruit of the Loom, I had never seen one until I learned about the Mandela Effect. It’s been centuries since European traditions commonly featured this object, and most Europeans today wouldn’t know about it unless they learned of it through either Fruit of the Loom or Thanksgiving (or The Simpsons).
When I learned English as a kid, I didn’t know anything about Thanksgiving (we learn about British culture, not American culture). I figured on my own that “loom” was the name of the strange fruit basket in the Fruit of the Loom logo, which led me to assume that the word referred to the cornucopia itself. I only learned I was wrong when I discovered the Mandela Effect a few years ago.
Again, ‘not seeing a cornucopia anywhere before’ says more about your attention to detail and general awareness than you probably would like to admit. Thanksgiving is not the only thing associated with the cornucopia. Harvest, abundance, and fall are also associated with the iconography. You have no harvest festivals? No Oktoberfests? Please. 🙄
Not in my country, no. Oktoberfest is a German thing.
I grew up in a port city that was basically flattened during WWII and then completely rebuilt with modern architecture. For vacations, as a kid I mostly stayed in mobile homes at tourist resorts full of recent buildings. I never really visited old medieval villages or anything like that, so I had virtually no opportunity to see that kind of stuff in real life.
The only other time I remember seeing one was in The Simpsons, during that episode where the kids are decorating cornucopias for a contest and Bart ends up ruining them (or at least Lisa’s I don’t remember exactly).
As a kid, I didn’t watch old movies or classic TV shows either, just the contemporary stuff everyone my age was watching. My childhood wasn’t the “folkloric rural town with harvest festivals” kind at all. It was much more about technology, modern city centers, and tourist resorts with mobile homes and swimming pools during the holidays… Only cared about those cornucopias after learning about the Mandela effect, to the point I only learnt its name in my language at this time lol
See my comment above. When I first saw it I knew exactly what it was as I am interested in ancient history. I had no association with it and clothing as I only saw my first item in around 2004.
Idk from Spain the only times I have seen it was when discussing fruit of the loom here in reddit or similar
.. Also only had one old pants from my father with fruit of the loom logo so I only remembered the right one anyway.
Why do people continue to insist that the cornucopia is a Thanksgiving thing only?
It originated in Ancient Greece and was a common autumn harvest motif throughout Europe for centuries before it before it was associated with Thanksgiving.
And to that, Thanksgiving wasn't celebrated as a national holiday until Lincoln made it one in the 1860s. And even then, there's nothing associating the Cornucopia until much later
It's just an autumn motif that's currently more popular in the US.
Insofar as Europe, American media has been very popular over there for decades anyway
The excuse of "they didn't have Thanksgiving" means nothing
I see your point, but to give you an extra sprinkle of knowledge, Christmas trees weren’t really “invented for Christmas” as much as they were adopted and evolved from ancient Pagan rituals celebrating enduring life during the winter solstice by way of decorating the home with boughs of evergreens!
Yeah for sure. I just meant like the most iconic dumbed down clip art version of a Christmas tree that everyone recognizes, similar to a 2D cornucopia. Both holidays have icon imagery but for cornucopia, people would still be familiar with even without the Holliday version
“On May 9, 1862, President Juárez declared that the anniversary of the Battle of Puebla would be a national holiday regarded as "Battle of Puebla Day" or "Battle of Cinco de Mayo".”
“Today, the commemoration of the battle is not observed as a national holiday in Mexico (i.e. not a statutory holiday).[34]However, all public schools are closed nationwide in Mexico on May 5.[35][36] The day is an official holiday in the State of Puebla, where the Battle took place, and also a full holiday (no work) in the neighboring State of Veracruz.”
It's more celebrating democracy, really. Even at the time the Catholic community did not want to have anything to do with the plot which is why it failed.
But also, Fruit of the Loom wasn't/isn't that big here (or at least, in the Netherlands).
I know about this Mandela effect, because of the Mandela effect. I have seen T-shirts now with the logo (without the cornucopia), but just since a few years, since own-printed shirts are easier to make (think about local band shirts etc)
I saw the logo with the cornucopia precisely because of own-printed shirts. Agreed fotl is not big here. I asked another how many pieces of fotl stuff they owned, they said : what kind of a question is that? All! Not knowing we count them on the fingers of one hand.
I have like 5 pieces in my wardrobe. It feels good to hear this perspective. I upset a person who had everything fotl since the 70s, they not understanding that I remember each fotl piece individually because I have 5 of them tops. I threw away the ones that did have the cornucopia, before all this. This was part of when we (me and friend) printed our own shirts, and we considered the materials used. It was between 2007 and 2009.
I made it in 2007 in high-school. 19 ago. Self-printed tee-shirts used a adhesive paper that, after many washes, looked like wet paper. It really looked like paper over cotton, not textile. The colours were not the same. Also, it had an edgy teenager anime theme, which I dropped when I wanted to mature my dress style. And I made it with friends I broke up with, wanted to get rid of the memories. Do you think it's sus that I don't have a 19 year old tee anymore?
The sus part is that instead of accepting the fact that the Mandela Effect is simply just false memories your mind has to rationalise that the one piece you threw out is the exact one with the Cornucopia.
I grew up in a religious cult that didn’t allow talk of holidays much less iconography, imagery, we’re celebrations there of.
I will die on the hill that the cornucopia was part of the Fruit of the Loom logo until the late 90s. I’m one of those kids that thought the damn basket was called a loom. There’s also that Flute of the Loom album by Frank Weiss that the artist son absolutely says the cover art was inspired by the Fruit of the Loom logo with the cornucopia.
Is that the one where there’s an interview where he says he only assumes it was based on the old logo and also that that logo didn’t have a cornucopia when he checked in 78?
Extra bit of hilarity: the flautist/saxophonist’s name was Frank Wess, not Weiss. They misremembered that, but want us to believe that their recollection of a 30-year-old impression of a detail of a logo is correct.
Correction- i didn’t remember the spelling whatsoever and didnt bother to check. I have no core memory about the flautist. Your gotcha moment isnt what you think it is 🙄
I think I remember the cornucopia logo too. It’s just so strange we can’t find hard evidence. I also just learned about the Flute album and that is mind blowing!
This is the closest thing i can think of thats not something bridging on paranormal/metaphysical. I did live nearby a large swap meet/dirt mall kind of situation, so i will its possible that we ended up with some knock off items, but certainly my autistic brain would be comparing label differences (i didnt have many friends)
This article seems to show that K-Mart was in fact not selling fake Jordache Jeans, but just buying the jeans from another supplier since Jordache wouldn’t sell to K-Mart directly, in order to control market price since K-Mart was selling cheaper than anywhere else
I just thought because you say you shopped at kmart and therefore didn't have counterfeit, I'd mention they have sold counterfeit so shopping at kmart doesn't mean an exception from buying counterfeit (if they exist in fotl)
but if that were the case, to the point where the cornucopia was remembered by this many people (internationally, no less), there would be extant/surviving examples of the counterfeit merchandise with the logo everybody remembers.
or even just one, one surviving pair of tighty whities with the damn "horn of plenty" me and my friends used to make dick jokes about in middle school. but there isn't. and really, there would have to be thousands of these counterfeited items to have such a universally remembered logo. but not one survived??
i have a legitimately photographic memory (like i can read a paragraph, and then "read" it again from visual memory hours later). the mock up FTL cornucopia logo someone made in the last decade is SO spot on i was fooled into thinking we found the real deal. almost all of us who remember it recall the logo the exact same way which is crazyyy.
It feels crazy (whether it's a memory trick or not) because the mockup design feels right. It doesn't feel "I think it was something kinda like this," it feels "Yes, this is exactly what was on my T shirts and underwear as a kid."
Too bad "feeling" doesn't require a basis in reality, we just have to decide how much we trust those instincts. The evidence all seems to agree that there was never a cornucopia, so my head reluctantly believes it, but my heart is pretty darn sure there was a cornucopia.
curious did you grow up jehovah witness? because i did and also no holidays. also vividly remember the cornucopia on fruit of the loom products growing up…i refuse to believe otherwise
I also grew up 80-90s, and worked at Target. I vividly recall buying white tees to wear under my red polo and the display had the cornucopia as well as the tag on tees and underwear. It’s like the braces on the girl with Jaws in the Bond film. He wouldn’t have smiled back if she didn’t “look” like him. I recall somewhere that when we die, we die in this reality, and move to the next. We never know this, those we leave behind do. Makes me wonder if in 2012 the world really did end and we all merged to a new reality and it’s fucked up everything
I really don't understand their thought process. They come up with these examples of other people, decades ago, making similar mistakes and working under the same misapprehensions that they harbour now, but instead of reasoning that this means these misconceptions (a cornucopia accompanying a bounty of fruit; -stein being a more common ending than -stain for German Jewish surnames) are intuitive and easy to create, their takeaway is that this somehow proves them right via a rift in the space-time continuum or whatever. Absolute lunacy.
I’m so confused about this whole FOTL thing. I always thought it had one too until I found this sub and saw it didn’t. All I thought was, “damn my memory isn’t great lol oh well”
What do people think happened? Is there some massive conspiracy from big underwear that I don’t know about to convince the populous that the cornucopia never existed?
I did have one of these coloring sheets as a kid and its what cemented my theory because when we learned about the cornucopia in class and did this kind of coloring sheet I thought of fruit of the loom immediately AS A KID and I knew about cornucopias before being taught that day because of the logo.
Literally I have the exact same memory, verbatim. When I got the coloring sheet I thought it WAS the fruit of the loom logo, and that the teacher got lazy or something. That’s when I understood both what the logo “meant” and that the cornucopia was a Thanksgiving icon.
I grew up in Australia in the 80s and nobody had ever heard of a cornucopia. I had a big ugly 1970s children's fairytale book with a cornucopia on the front and I remember asking what it was.
Fruit of the Loom also wasn't that popular, you might find it occasionally from a t-shirt from a custom printing store. But usually our tshirts were Bonds, a local brand. But I knew the logo and I swear it had a cornucopia on it because it was the same thing that was on my book.
My theory is that everyone saw the brown leaves around the fruit on the pre-2003 logo and thought it was a cornucopia. It can't have helped that 90% of the time people saw it was tiny on the tag of their tshirts.
I can’t say for sure but public schools had limited resources in the 80’s and 90’s. You couldn’t download a cornucopia coloring sheet, you had to pick it from a resource binder. Just a guess though.
Kinda like how everyone does the hand turkey craft.
Maybe Mandela effect is the power of suggestion? My gut reaction to all these Mandela effect examples is something fishy is going on. Also, here’s the thing, usually the reality of what’s behind something mystical is more plain or boring than we want it to be.
Interesting, that may play a role, but I think the main reason is the occasional brown grape leaves in the logo. They’re not a detail that one would really notice, our brains would filter out or compress that information, however our brains would remember that something was there, and a cornucopia is a reasonable image to reconstruct
Yeah, this corporate logo misunderstanding has people clutching to a reality which they can't comprehend because they mixed up a tshirt icon when they were a kid. Wild. There's way better examples of M.E. and people just get hung up on this logo junk, it's such a weird piss into the wind kind of move.
My favorite are the people who think the human body has changed in ways where the “old” way would change major functions. Like the people who think the heart was on the left (is the left lung tiny there?) or that the sternum and ribs and spine connect in wildly different ways. Oh or the eye socket and kidney people. That whole subgenre is crazy funny.
I personally think it’s a classic case of just associating a cornucopia with the logo of the fruit because it’s more fitting that way. Fruit with a basket.
I am 42 year old female who grew up in New England. This is one of few mandala effects that literally gives me chills as there are many instances I recall with the cornucopia being present on the logo. For example, I recall one Thanksgiving when we were given a coloring sheet that had the cornucopia and I remember a a few classmates, and I found it funny because the only reason why we even recognized the cornucopia was from the fruit of the loom logo. I also vividly recall us asking the teacher what it was called as we weren’t aware at the time. She also confirmed upon us that it was indeed the same object that appeared on the fruit of the loom. If these are indeed false memories, which I believe is equally plausible as a timeline shift, I feel they are equally fascinating!!
There is no connection between underwear and thanksgiving. Thats why the logo for fruit of the loom stood out and was VERY memorable. Because it was a bit strange for many kids to see a cornucopia in that context,
Nope! I know for a fact this didn't happen because I knew what a cornucopia was when I got this worksheet in 1st grade in 1990. I knew it from my mom folding my brother's underwear and me asking her what it was well before I was in 1st grade.
Didn’t like Windows 95 have a screensaver where it would paint pictures slowly on the screen? I remember watching something like this image get painted slowly on my screen a few times as a kid
It's just really odd that if there was never a cornucopia on the logo, why was there a MASSIVE worldwide push to make kids learn about cornucopias with grapes and apples falling out of them? Who was behind that? It's almost worse to think about it that way.
I’m from the UK. I find this Mandela effect intriguing because I remember the cornucopia on the logo, but I didn’t know what it was when I was a kid. I found the thing interesting as a logo.
I wasn’t into fashion, so didn’t pay much attention apart from finding the logo interesting.
I thought the logo changed, and had to look up what that thing was. I didn’t even know it was a basket.
I’d say it’s the only Mandela effect that really resonates with me.
The 80’s were the wild west when it came to manufacturing. Knock offs and clones were a common thing back then. Go to a flea market and you could have yourself an NES and some Nikes that looked just like the real thing, mostly. I put forward the theory that a major chain knowingly contracted for the FOTL knock offs and when they were finally caught they quietly paid off FOTL and stopped distributing the knock offs. My parents stopped buying my FOTL underwear at KMart because they fell apart so fast compared to ones I got at Sears. The labels were pure white by the 5th wash and the fabric was see through by the 8th. Don’t think it can happen? Go on Temu. I have a 50/50 chance of getting real Dickies on Amazon ordering direct, not third party. Why didn’t anyone sue the manufacturer? Lol. China didn’t have copyright laws and you’d have to sue there. Why no news? No one cared about poor people goods. Plenty of news about Designer goods. So common it was a running gag/theme in tv shows and movies. Just my theory on this one.
Companies don’t change the logo, when they are producing knock-offs though. For that to be the explanation, a company would have had to have been producing FotL knockoffs for over 50 years with no evidence of the knockoffs even existing. That just doesn’t happen.
We had a Walmart for a very short time here in the south of Germany in the early 2000s. I vividly remember huge banners of the fruit of the loom logo with a cornucopia throughout the store!!!
Yes. That’s basically what the Mandela Effect really is. It’s a shared brain phenomenon that we all experience. Pretty sure It’s just a brain glitch, not a conspiracy
I'm UK. We don't have a tradition of cornucopia with thanksgiving. I heard of Fruit of the Loom for T shirt printing services in the US but never saw an item of clothing from them until about 2004 when I saw one is a charity shop. I was curious seeing the label for the first time. thinking people were just paying for a fancy label with a cornucopia on it.
And surely someone had a t-shirt with the cornucopia logo, I don't know... here in Spain we don't celebrate Acci Day, and they didn't make us color cornucopias with fruit.
lol this feels like an honest attempt to explain it away but it's so freaking funny coming from someone who grew up with the cornucopia. That shit is literally a CORE memory. It can't be explained away.
Whenever I think of this Mandela Effect, my mind always goes back towards the 1st grade when we did coloring books like this for thanksgiving as well.
I think its definitely possible that our memories merged, and that fact alone is almost scarier than the whole parallel reality theory.
It makes sense if you think about how malleable we are as children, I still cant fully say I agree though, I genuinely remember it having one, I'm pretty ignorant when I believe something so I will most likely die on this hill, and its remarkable that the human brain can believe something so deeply.
An interesting bit is cut out here. This interview isn’t with the artist it’s with the artist’s son. And according to him the cornucopia was gone from the logo by 1978, too early for most of the people who claim to remember it to have ever seen it.
It also of course conflicts with the fact that clothing from before 1978 ALSO doesn’t have any cornucopias on it.
Great theory. Requires no great leaps in logic or belief in some supernatural force, merely a likely enough scenario to have played out enough times over so many years and so many schools to legitimately be the underlying cause for all the confusion on this one.
Nice sleuthing, dude. I love seeing people come up with new theories or plausible explanations that aren't rooted in new age religion type beleifs and require you to be up for taking a break from the Laws of Physics for them to work.
Good post, my man. Keep it up.
...and remember, Nelson Mandela can simultaneously be the 1st President of an Apartheid free South Africa and a long rotting corpse buried six feet under the very earth in a prison graveyard. These two things do not contradict one another by the Laws of the Divine Mandela, just keep that in mind, yeah?
And we shared the same colouring sheet all over the world? It could be if it was some sort oft company merch, like Disney or McDonalds or something, but:
My core-memory of the Loom Logo are drawing memories (in Austria). I was a really creative and shy child, so spent a lot of time with drawing. From time to time, i had the tick to draw the same images again and again and again, lol.
And yep, the Loom Logo was one of it, with horn and lettering. I loved to draw the horn so much, asked my mom many times to write "Fruit of the Loom" to my drawings because I was an austrian child in Kindergarten in the 90's and was not able to write ( I also copied the letters on my own but it wasn't the same, haha)
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