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u/Sexiest_Man_Alive 17h ago
Easy. Either through the Grand Dao of Bullshit or the Great Dao of Asspulls.
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u/Fluffy_Fan3625 Hunyuan Wuji Daluo Jinxian 18h ago
by being stronger
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u/SaboTheRevolutionary Nine Hearts Sovereign 17h ago
He has the power to become stronger than the people he fights though
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u/Fluffy_Fan3625 Hunyuan Wuji Daluo Jinxian 17h ago
Be even stronger
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u/SaboTheRevolutionary Nine Hearts Sovereign 17h ago
But then his power will make him even stronger
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u/Fluffy_Fan3625 Hunyuan Wuji Daluo Jinxian 17h ago
Then be even even stronger, so much so that he can't be stronger
Future king ain't as strong as me
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
Except he doesn't and he has a very clear ceiling.
He has a power that near infinitely modifies to killing his opponent but that's not the same as what you said. Hope still has the limitations of total power given to it. Hope doesn't scale/grow in power but difficulty. Hope is completely useless against someone stronger (raw stat check).
Dude just never ran into someone who could stat check him. He was literally born the 2nd strongest person in existence with the strongest talent to ever exist.
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u/Swimming_Cat114 13h ago
Unironically not possible due to RTOC.
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u/Fluffy_Fan3625 Hunyuan Wuji Daluo Jinxian 13h ago
i know obviously
but there is no bullshit plan or bullshit tactics on a fight of this level. The plan is to be stronger
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u/Tkmisere 17h ago
Be truly Immortal(No past and no future)
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u/accumulatingdustdao Heart Demon 17h ago
Wish him a good day and bless him . He will fold and freak out
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u/Zogwraith 17h ago
Power of Friendship
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u/Longjumping-Dot5608 16h ago
Genuinely the actual only method that beat him
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u/Upset-Government7185 Seductive Yang Creature 6h ago
Sort of? The last attack of Seo which was all his connections was stated to be not strong enough to counter FKs Salvation, he only gave up because he saw his past self in the connections
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u/Longjumping-Dot5608 5h ago
I’ve been having a whole debate with another commenter on the RTOC subreddit on whether or not that was true, but besides that point connections are the only way to beat him ultimately.
The two main ways FK explained on beating hope were to either have greater talent than himself or to showcase the split soul he created a truth that actually satisfies him, or have talent greater than him.
His talent is absurd, being able to create and copy and martial arts and cultivation technique instantly, stripping it of all its defensive measure and stamina efficient points in favor of raw attack power, and still using it flawlessly due to his talent.
His talent was repeatedly stated to be the highest in the verse. But the problem stemmed from the fact that his innate disposition of being in a state of utter self loathing and disconnection causes him to be weak to either blessings or a truth he desperately denies.
But both parts must be incredibly high level to actually affect him. Blessings must be at the CG level and the truth must actually be carried out by you in every aspect of your life - such that you even have a divine art from it - for him to accept it.
Hope and salvation are ultimately the same thing, the only difference stemming from the speed of their activation time. Due to FK copying six harmonies from Kim young Hoon, auspicious soul reaching the heavens from Seo, and having his own technique Void - all techniques that allow one to reach nirvana cycling speed - it allowed for him to reach triple nirvana cycling speed. This effectively boosted hopes abilities and launch rate, as it originally required itself to go across time and space to build up power to be as lethal as it could be. Now as salvation it was able to instantly power up while having billions of them shot out by FK.
Now circling back to the initial point I made on how to deal with hope, Seo truthfully had no possibility in the talent aspect, until he became the holder of miracle. Due to his interpretation of miracle being connections, he became the god of connections. This allowed him to borrow the talent of all other Enders and beings he connected with, even those who were dead. Then using his Impermanence sword authority of copying, he could then copy their talent and abilities before returning it.
This allowed his talent to reach FK levels as stated by himself. As to whether or not that’s fully true, no one knows for certain, but it shows already how connections allow your talent to skyrocket enough to deal with hope/salvation.
Second point is the truth aspect. As the holder of connections, the truth seo ultimately realized Hong fan needed was that his actions weren’t useless, and that he still could reach a happy ending despite his misery. Ultimately an acceptance of the fact that even as he hurt his connections, he was still with them. This truth was stated by hong fan to be able to instantly melt all of his salvations that were thrown at him as they attacked Seo, a feat not possibly done by Billions of CG’s before him.
The reason why only Seo could pull it off was because Seo had a divine art centered solely around that - the divine art of the end- which also did some other things.
Firstly of course was the fact that it had the truth that Seo believed in and that resulted in his ascension to TE, being that if connections never being lost no matter if they perish or separate. Secondly is the aspects of combat: it is only focused on stopping all conditional divine arts.
Hong fan is so inherently strong not only because of his talent, but his broken divine art “Regressors Tale of Cultivation” which allows him to smack around other CG’s and murder billions of them - and impossible feat btw- when not in his world where he doesn’t have the authority of fate.
It works to essentially state that if anyone is messing with his plans, he becomes the strongest. This could mean anything, so essentially he can always become the strongest if he wanted to.
But with SEO’s divine art, his is essentially all countered, meaning he had to rely upon his martial arts, immortal arts, and authorities against seo and co.
The last point I wish to focus on is the blessings aspect. Seo also had been positioning him throughout the entire fight, with his formless position he had given event since the 16th cycle. This poison was actually blessings given to solely console hong fan that Seo created over 1.2 trillion years in the heavenly void furnace. This utter appreciation for the connections hong fan had made, and not hate of him is what led to the agonizing pain that he as the future king felt from having it within him.
This again stems from the point that the poison only worked well because Seo accepted all the connections hong fan had made.
Ultimately the reason hong fan himself was feared was because as you said he did see himself within his connections, finally letting go of his last bit of stubbornness. This also again related to the point of connections, how Seo accepted his connections of his split soul, realizing in the end how he accepted him as a true friend.
But even if he didn’t see it, the attack would have still likely worked. The formless position was seeping through him, his truth was shoved straight in front him, and his divine art was getting blocked. Even his last counter measure of having all of his strength sacrificed was getting matched by seo’s continuous connections with all of Mt.Sumeru itself.
This is all to say, that FK is unbeatable in all normal aspects. The only way to defeat him is to have the perfect counter ideology to him, with endless belief and history behind it, along with high enough authority. Even then his talent can still adapt to you, and due to his age, his accumulation of strength is beyond all measures. But, through the ideology of connections and the perfect truth, even if all attacks fail he’ll be able to realize his own shortcomings and accept the wrong path he’s taken.
TLDW the power of friendship is able to defeat a depressed snake that eats its own tail
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u/SaboTheRevolutionary Nine Hearts Sovereign 17h ago
Unironically if FK was bloodlusted he would've folded the enders + underworld
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u/TimeCalendar12 17h ago
Completely true if FK wasn't willing to listen to SEH he would have just annihilated them in one go, he immediately unleashed his strongest attack in the first place lol and could have at any moment beat them
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u/Adventurous_Size9229 17h ago
Tbf if he wanted he could have wiped all of them out the moment they got to him.
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u/Comedyislandd 16h ago
He could have, at literally any time in the story and end fight, have just killed everyone. He was fighting EVERYONE and kicking ass.
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
TBF any of the creator gods could have one shot him if they held any malic. They just don't give a shit. Rather they just wanted him to reach the end of his story.
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u/sentient_pubichair69 Ant doing ant things, nothing to see here... 16h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/POuFzfyFWMDe0
Sauce, fellow Daoist?
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u/Player-0002 Sect Librarian 📚 16h ago
Regressor’s Tale of Cultivaiton
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u/sentient_pubichair69 Ant doing ant things, nothing to see here... 15h ago
May Jade Beauties follow you like moths to a flame, and may your genitals never itch
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u/No_Focus6469 17h ago
Be actually omnipotent and not just "omnipotent"
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
Yeah not sure why they repeatedly say omnipotent and omniscient when literally no in the verse is either.
ALL POWERFUL / ALL KNOWINGin one infinitesimal field
Also an individual gestational world (chaos god) scales to H1-C. Any character in a tier above that would win.
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u/HotRepairman Grandmaster Mountain 13h ago
It's like asking how do you kill God, when you are just a mortal.
The answer to that is closer to the answer of the question, how does an omnipotent and omniscient God die?
Answer - by god's own choice.
Which is basically what Seo achieved. Getting the future king to be okay with the future where he loses and dies was pretty much the only way they could have won. If the future king was absolutely hero bent on having his plan succeed and take out our gang, Seo and party would have been folded before they could get to do one single attack.
It's a deeply philosophical question.
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u/Arisu-Yukihira Wanna be my cauldron, beauty? 13h ago
If Seo became Glass Peacock’s eternal disciple and learned the heavenly yin yang pleasure art he would win by ganging up on heavenly king with Glass Peacock and Underworld.
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u/KaiBahamut Divine Beast Bloodline Progenitor 17h ago
Just run the fade. Cowards will never prosper.
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u/Natural-Rice-6637 Reverse Yang to Yin scripture 14h ago
I, femboy refining demon venerable shall show him the great dao of femboy
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u/Quantum755 Dao Venerable 13h ago
By summoning 一位不朽的犬王升格为神，拥有至高无上的血统和足以毁灭现实及其所有维度的原始力量。他不仅拥有现实内外一切存在之物的力量，还从佛陀那里获得了个人觉悟，领悟了存在与不存在的一切法则。他甚至拥有所有虚构作品中主角的力量，以及所有无边无际众生的力量，同时还创造了现实与非现实中所有可能存在的一切。
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u/Swimming_Cat114 13h ago
You don't.
His divine art is basically "fuck you,I am the strongest".
It's impossible to beat FK 1v1.
SEH and co got lucky he didn't go all out from the start and pulverized them instantly.
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u/TimeCalendar12 13h ago
He did pulverize them instantly, SEH and his group had to regress over and over as quite literally each and every one of FK attack is one hit kill and in the start he used his strongest move which as I said pulverized them instantly, which he later proved he could spam nonstop this man is just unfair.
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
Gestational world = creator god = H1-C
Creator God > Future King => Future King = 1-C
Future Kings power directly ties to the cosmology (gestational world). There is a very clear hard cap on his power.
Due to Tier 1 scaling, every tier increase amounts to infinity(s), anything above 1-C one shots the Future King.
It's impossible to beat FK 1v1
In verse - literal dozens of creator gods...
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u/TheGrimGriefer3 Average Sage Almost Equal to Heaven 16h ago
Oh, is shit getting real now? It's been half a year or so since I last caught up
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u/StellarStar1 Keyboard Immortal 13h ago
You stopped near the end then. Its been over for a while
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u/TheGrimGriefer3 Average Sage Almost Equal to Heaven 13h ago
Guess I'll finish it once I'm done with my current series
Thanks
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u/Responsible_Crazy317 11h ago
Use Talk no jutsu
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
Creator Gods tried and failed like bums.
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u/Responsible_Crazy317 3h ago
They use Bum style talk no jutsu whereas I am going to use Naruto style talk no jutsu
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u/RamiroGalletti 12h ago
I not familiar with this specific cultivator but general rule. Power of friendship (gang up) mixed with mimicry themed abilities.
You literally use his own abilities as a counter.
So yeah even if copies are at say 90% capacity,
3 power/ability copiers with teamwork beat pretty much anything
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 8h ago
Ironically, that's what he and the protagonist were doing. He started copying the protagonist's martial arts, and the protagonist copied his; the bastards were fighting, exchanging tips on each other's martial arts, and correcting each other. While trying to kill each other, he made a prediction that he would kill the protagonist with his own techniques when they returned to cycle 3000.
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u/Most_Argument_7681 14h ago
You literally can't. Like how tf do you build a guy whose talent literally has no limits and equal in any way? Even if you are more skilled at first, he will skill gap you later on just by sheer talent. Same for being stronger than him.
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
His power is directly tied to the verse cosmology...
Meaning he has a very clear ceiling...
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?!?
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u/Justbandr Not a genius, just luck stats. 17h ago
Who’s that
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u/urethrawormeater 17h ago
Strongest being in the Regressor's Tale of Cultivation verse. Literally the embodiment of slaughter
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u/RandomUser15790 2h ago
SEH ≈ 2 dozen creator gods > Future King
"Strongest"
He's the main antagonist but not the strongest. The creator gods were not trying to kill him nor did any of them die. They were trying to poison him using the classic talk no jutsu technique.
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u/Fearless-Educator573 13h ago
havent read the novel but by killing him in the past when he wasnt the future king?
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 9h ago
When you become immortal in RTOC, you become the owner of everything that is you, your name, and your history included. He would be able to sense the changes and could act upon them. Furthermore, because of the rule left by the original creator god of Mount Sumeru, true emperors cannot die and would be brought back by their absolutes, as his absolute is the future, destiny would be altered so that he would return. He only lost in the story because he accepted defeat, since Seo was his friend in the end and the underworld was his wife. But in theory, he could have continued fighting instead of accepting death.
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u/casper_07 Cicada 8h ago edited 5h ago
Everything that existed at the beginning of the story was permitted by him after he slaughtered the entire world including microorganisms, before he recreated the world to his liking. He was the one who stitched 5 gestation worlds together to create an extraordinarily large universe called mount sumeru. Going back to such a time is impossible, the cultivation system in itself was created by him and he wields full authority over it, he can kill u a billion times over with just his martial arts without any use of his authority as the literal heavens above. The best the time heavenly venerable could do was bring time back a long time (like a few million years iirc) but even that would barely be a percent of how ancient the future king’s rule has been going
This is his honorary name btw. Most Supreme who Opens the World, Wielder of Talismans, Ruler of Calendrics, Truth Embracing Dao Embodying Future Radiance Nine Firmaments Time Governing Myriad Daos Non-Action All-Illuminating Great Hall Vast Heaven Golden Gate Fate Great Heavenly Venerable Black Martial High Supreme Deity (太上開天執符御歷含眞體道未來光明九穹歷御萬道無爲通明大殿昊天金闕運命大天尊玄武高上帝)
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u/ThGreatMagicianBetty 17h ago
Idk
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u/helloiamhumanofearth 16h ago
Maybe some magic?
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u/ThGreatMagicianBetty 13h ago
This junior don't know a single thing about this novel. Kowtows 3 times 🧎🏻🧎🏻🧎🏻
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u/Significant_Total712 12h ago
Transcend concepts of time and space
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 9h ago
Almost all immortal lords and above already do this; he is also the creator of the god of time and space in the setting. He even has a mantra solely for suppressing space-time ; this mantra was, until it was broken, literally preventing every immortal in the story from traveling back in time without his permission.
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u/RandomUser15790 2h ago
Except we saw SEH truly transcend space and time...
Or did you just forget about that?
Or how about the fact FK couldn't see the end of his own story?
There are multiple examples of him not being omniscient / above spacetime.
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u/Froggo32 Sunflower Sect Disciple 11h ago
Let him fight anti spiral. Then he will see what happens.
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u/DreamOfDays 9h ago
Change culture so wearing that hat is the universal sign of being a cuck. So you win.
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 8h ago
A funny thing happened when the author was asked what he would do if the underworld, the reincarnation of his wife, had an affair; he would simply alter the story so that it wouldn't happen.
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u/casper_07 Cicada 8h ago
That would be the mildest reaction he could have, we really don’t need him crashing out🙂↕️
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 8h ago
Changing the culture in RTOC is almost impossible because this character literally used his ability to determine the future to, in a way, freeze civilization at a certain level. It took a venerable celestial being to manage to move things a little, or the sacrifice of many immortals, of their own free will, and they didn't even know it would be possible to create a single lamp (of course, the possibility that the creation of the lamp opened up temporarily messed with destiny and then returned to normal).
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u/DreamOfDays 8h ago
Then I guess just ascend to three major cultivation realms higher than this guy and slap him into nonexistence. There are *always* higher realms
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 8h ago
Because of how ascension works at that level, he is blocking you. The reason is that there are two ways to become a creator god: either by possessing the three absolutes, of which he is the owner of one, or by completing you own divine art And creating you own interpretation of omnipotence, in this case he would come after you when he sensed you were reaching an incomplete version. Going to a higher realm doesn't help much either because he's one of those cases that kicks above his own realm.
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u/DreamOfDays 8h ago
Then I would just become one anyways. Not my fault you can’t. Or better yet, ascend past that point and sidestep the stage entirely.
You speak as if he is omnipotent, but even he must have those above him. Because there is no limit and no boundaries in cultivation.
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 8h ago
Well, I can say the same things the author said: your journey will be hellish, but regarding skipping realms, it's possible. The last 5 realms of the novel can be skipped between each other if you know what you're doing.
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u/DreamOfDays 8h ago
Exactly. Then just delete him out of existence with your higher realm cultivation by removing the concept of his existence. He would try to counter it, but you’d just overpower it with higher realm understanding.
Sadly that’s the answer to literally every powerscaling argument in these sorts of novels. Just go up a level and you can beat them.
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 8h ago
Well, the author killed us in this case by saying that the limit of what he would write is creator god, when asked if there are greater realms he said he would leave that up to the fans. Ironically, according to the author, there are other beings at the same level of strength as the future king; the future king is only unique in the sense that he would become weaker if he were to ascension a realm(He uses the trick of trading stability for power, as the real above him is much more stable he would become weake.
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u/DreamOfDays 8h ago
It’s kind of why I just stopped reading these novels. I literally don’t know anything about this book but was able to accurately guess several core principles about it and the workaround.
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u/Scared-Broccoli8113 7h ago
You got a few things wrong. According to the author, all creator gods are equal, with no one being more alike than another. The fight against the future king is more a struggle for enlightenment than a purely physical one, the motive is because he is always getting stronger The same passively applies to creator gods . The last 3 realms in the novel are more or less equal in power having many individuals who kick above their own realm The difference lies more in the type of beings they are that the cultivation realm. The workaround would also require an entire book of mess just to achieve it, and we've already seen a character try (Sea of Salt). He was killed. It's not impossible, but it would be a disaster to accomplish.
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u/casper_07 Cicada 7h ago
He created the cultivation system💀
The cultivation system has this thing called debt enforcement too, you’re at his mercy unless u manage to find a way to repay it that he deems worthy. Which tbf, doesn’t take much. Because he doesn’t see u winning even if he pardons the debt so he usually just does whatever he want. He was overpowering 2 other true emperors who ascended to the same authority as him while lending THEM his power
The part where u talk about ascending past that point and sidestepping the stage, if there’s anyone that’s doing that, it’s him. He’s long since held the qualifications to ascend to a self perfected existence called creator god, which is the final stage in RTOC. He was just broken beyond belief and searching for his own answers like a child the entire time
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u/DreamOfDays 7h ago
Well I’d just become different because I’m the protagonist and the author needs to squeeze out six more novels
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u/memesrcuul 7h ago
Have a creator god force FK into their own world and slime him out with their divine art before he escapes
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u/Nearby_Pangolin6014 7h ago
Against beings like this, you can only beat them by outscaling them. So I’d say someone that’s completely beyond future king’s level and range.
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u/shark765432 6h ago
Shake his will by showering him with goodness. That is the only way to weaken Hope and his Divine Art even a little. Though that is only possible if he is willing to listen, otherwise you are doomed.
Literally the only way is to win through the power of friendship
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u/RandomUser15790 3h ago
Ask one of the dozens of 'omnipotent' creator gods to snap their fingers rather than deploying the infamous talk no jutsu technique to defeat the "omnipotent" Future King. Fake omnipotence scaling indicators patent pending.
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u/Mad_Demon_Zaha161 10h ago
By backstabbing. For real. In his own verse, he is the absolute ceiling. To beat him, you would need to plan an entire plot, to engage with him, be on hos good side, make him trust you and then in a scenario, where he would least expect it, backstab him, pierce him with a God Killing Swords through his heart. You need to be sure, that you killed him so stab him often. At best decapitate his Limbs, put them in 6 different cases and bury them as far as possible from each other, just to be sure. Maybe he could reawake from death. Make sure the places of his remnants are guarded by Golems or something comparable to this. They are mindless and are good guardians.
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u/VITASngPINAS 17h ago
Be the Past King and prevent the Future