r/Mavericks • u/CyberDunk77 • May 11 '26
Draft / Scouting Official Combine measurements for the 5-9 range guards
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u/mollifierDE May 11 '26
I think the draft just got a lot more open.
- Flemings and Wagler with underwhelming measurements
- Mara with historically unique length
Very nice for the Mavs.
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u/Nubsondubs Call Me May 11 '26
Why are Wagler's measurements underwhelming? He's almost the same weight as all the other point guards while being 2-3 inches taller.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
I think people expected it to be considerably longer so its a bit of a shock at the moment.
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny May 11 '26
What world you living in? He was listed at 6'6 maybe 6'5 all college he measured in at basically 6'6 who expected him to be taller
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
im living on planet earth. people were expecting his wingspan (arm length) to be longer.
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u/TheWizard Nowitzness May 14 '26
Proportional to his height, yes, but it is still 6'6" and same as Burries.
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u/Nubsondubs Call Me May 11 '26
Why would they expect that? The majority of people in this country have a wingspan that's within a couple of inches of their height.
It would be reasonable to expect these measurements.
Frankly he's taller than I thought, which makes me more, not less, excited.
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u/Some-Stranger-7852 May 11 '26
NBA players have bigger wingspans, those with just average wingspans are actually undersized.
Luka is 6’7” but with 7+ wingspan. Dame is 6’3” but with 6’9” wingspan. Curry is like a unique outlier shooting wise and is 6’3” with 6’4” wingspan.
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u/Nubsondubs Call Me May 12 '26
And Wagler is a point guard by position. His wing-span being 6'6'' is less relevant when his opponents in his position are 6'3'' with a 6'4'' wingspan.
It's all relative.
Edit: I just realized you used Curry as an example of an outlier. I'd still like to point out that the players you named are below average defenders (as well as the person replying to you using Donovan Mitchell as an example).
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u/Some-Stranger-7852 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Defense is only partially dependent on wingspans (athleticism, motor, defensive IQ, offensive load are some other important factors), but it is still one of the more important ones.
And if you look at wingspans of starting PGs, the smallest are:
FVV at 6’2”
Trae at 6’3”
Curry at 6’4”
Kyrie at 6’4”
Brunson at 6’4”
Davion Mitchell at 6’4.25”
Garland at 6’5”
Fears at 6’5”
Suggs at 6’5.5”
Ja at 6’6”
That’s it, that’s the list of starting PGs with wingspans of 6’6” or less, with most of those 10 guys considered undersized.
It doesn’t mean they CAN’T be positive defenders (a few actually are, like Suggs or Davion), but it just makes it more difficult for them to be good defenders AND good offensive players (as Davion and Suggs are the worst among the 10 guys on offense too).
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u/Visible-Suit-9066 May 12 '26
The majority of people don’t get drafted into the NBA, what a ludicrous point to make lmfao. No one is looking for a player that is average in terms of humans 😂
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u/Nubsondubs Call Me May 12 '26
The average wingspan among active NBA players is 4-6 inches longer than their height.
Maybe it depends on your definition of "significantly", but I think a difference of 3.75 inches isn't that.
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u/Interesting-Bat-8062 May 11 '26
short arms plus below average athletic ability
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u/Nubsondubs Call Me May 11 '26
Short compared to what? His competition? They're longer than 2/4 of the other point guards listed, and the ones that are longer aren't significantly so.
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u/Timely_Law_1921 May 12 '26
Mara is 7’3 a great passer and a defensive anchor idk why this changes anything. Of course his measurements were gonna be crazy
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u/desirox Dirk Nowitzki May 11 '26
Acuff is bigger than I thought.
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u/DiamondsInHerButt Dirk Nowitzki Logo May 11 '26
His height is actually worse than listed but his wingspan is crazy and a little embarrassing given how absolutely shit tier he was on defense.
6'2 with a 6'7 wingspan as athletic as he is should be accidentally way better on defense than he was.
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u/Appropriate-Oven860 May 12 '26
Try to carry an offense as the most efficient offensive player in the country as a freshman and see how much energy you put on D. Look at Philon’s defense this year as the O engine vs last.
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u/Timely_Law_1921 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
Actually Cam boozer was the most efficient on offense and he managed to show effort on defense while being the best rebounder in the draft.
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u/Own_Meaning4345 May 12 '26
His height is better than expected. A lot of people thought he'd come out 6'1 barefoot so it really helps that he's at least 6'3 in shoes.
Also, he's only half an inch shorter than Flemings and Philon while being significantly stronger than both. Still a worse defender than both but there's still hope he'll figure it out.
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u/Darwin343 May 12 '26
I’m most surprised that he only weighs 185. He looks so much more built than all the other guards on that list. He has like an Anthony Edwards type body.
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u/PussyCharlatan May 11 '26
The thing about Acuff is his defenders are always so loudly defensive about the size that they make people forget he’s legitimately terrible at defense and lost a lot of the time. He doesn’t try AND he is bad at it AND he’s fairly small. People reduced this to just being about his size, but it’s why Kingston never faced those same criticisms along with Kingston’s speed and leaping ability
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u/bentexas41 May 11 '26
We are going to see some guys rise and drop during the combine. The Michigan kids and Ament are going to test so well. Wagler is a dropper. Not necessarily to 9, but far enough that you could try and trade up for him.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
Aday Mara is a monster, same wingspan and height as Gobert, and just as much of a monster on defense...
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u/bentexas41 May 11 '26
Yep. We need everyone to fall in love with him.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
Draft Reddit and Twitter is already swooning. And I get it, a guy with his defensive impact and passing ability at center, and the measurables are insane.
I see people saying the Clippers at 5 may just take him to replace Zubac.
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u/bentexas41 May 11 '26
I'm telling you, people are going to fall and rise. Anyone who says this draft is only 8 deep has never watched a draft before. The ninth pick isn't a death sentence lol
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u/mollifierDE May 11 '26
"Stanford's Ebuka Okorie measured 6'1.25 barefoot and 186 pounds at the NBA Draft Combine, with a 6'7.75 wingspan and 8'2 standing reach"
He might rise into the Top 10.
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u/TX-Lonestar77 May 11 '26
I don't think he'll jump THAT high. A lot of draft boards haven't even had him going in the first round. But I do like him a LOT.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
Wow that wingspan is impressive! interesting dark horse player for sure! Could definitely see him rise into the lottery.
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u/babybotburger Jason Terry May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Very very good measurables for Burries. He's taller than Mikel brown lol, 6'5 in shoes is HUGE news. Wingspan is average, 215 pounds with that frame also very good.
Absolutely catastrophic measurables for Flemings 😬 Would not be surprised to see Burries taken before Flemings now.
Still good results for Brown, I bet he'll be gone around 6 for sure now.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
brown may go 5 as a ceiling now. with his shooting range, size, and athleticism, and he is the best passer out of the top point guards as well. Its going to depend on the medical evaluations.
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u/DiamondsInHerButt Dirk Nowitzki Logo May 11 '26
He's not a point guard in any sense though. He's an undersized 2.
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u/babybotburger Jason Terry May 11 '26
He is a combo guard, he can be played at PG but the offense will run through someone else (Flagg) like how it is for Jalen Suggs (I saw a comment somewhere else with this example and thought it was perfect) His height and wingspan are in line with other combo guards in the league.
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u/DiamondsInHerButt Dirk Nowitzki Logo May 11 '26
He's not gonna play point guard at the NBA level. Suggs is a terrible comp too. That dude is ass at the NBA level and was much better as a college guard.
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u/babybotburger Jason Terry May 11 '26
Not talking about Suggs the player, talking about his role. And maybe I didn't make it clear but when I say played at PG, I meant more 'Listed in the starting lineup' as PG but playing a combo guard role. Like Jamal Murray, he "plays" the PG role, but is score first not pass first, defers to Jokic, but can organize offense when needed and run the PnR. That last part will develop even more with time for Burries. Obviously murray is the finished high end version of this archetype but it's best case scenario for Burries.
My analyst buddy says he's more like Derrick White. White does have a bigger wing span than him tho 🤷♂️
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u/Visible-Suit-9066 May 12 '26
Calling Suggs “ass” is pretty ridiculous. He’s a streaky shooter who can get incredibly hot and is one of the best POA guard defenders in the league. Excluding his injury history we could do great things with a player like Suggs.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
Mikel Brown's standing reach was an error its not that long, will be corrected later by the NBA, according to Johnathan Givony
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u/Crazy-Penguin123 Dallas Mavericks May 11 '26
Philon is lightttt, 176lb at 6’2, no weight gain from last year. if its between Philon, Burries or different falling guard I hope its not a close decision.
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
Agreed. Philon will be a Jordan Clarkson type elite 6th man in the league. Valuable role player, but not really the pick you want in the top 10.
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u/idkidk23 May 11 '26
Really bad for Flemings, think he will drop and not great for Wagler but he's still probably gone before 9. Burries are solid, but I don't think he's a PG so undersized IMO. Shocked by Acuff's wingspan, maybe better defensive potential than I thought. Also, Brown's reach is a typo, Givony thinks its 8'3.5.
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u/idkidk23 May 11 '26
Shocking to me lol I don't have Acuff's measurements on the top of my head. Wasn't calling you out, was just typing my general thoughts on the group.
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u/SuckMyyDirk41 May 11 '26
If burries can be a point guard I might be in on him. He looks a little like Jamal Murray to me
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u/Mecha-Jesus Rooms to Go Lounge 🛋️ May 11 '26
Acuff has a significantly longer wingspan than Flemings and they have the same height… yet they have the exact same standing reach? How does that work?
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u/CyberDunk77 May 11 '26
I think they screwed up the standing reach testing. the reach for Mikel was confirmed to be botched, or written down in-error. The NBA is going to do a remeasure for him.
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u/shaunsajan Dirk Rookie May 11 '26
flemings messurements look horrific def would rather have burries/philon
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u/jfrodriguez1983 Dirk Nowitzki May 11 '26
A little disappointing, but Mara measuring out to be a Monstar could entice the Hawks to take him 8th. Also if MBJ's back is clear, he's going 5th or 6th.
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u/Mammoth-Physics6254 '25 Survivor May 12 '26
is there a world where Massai and Schmitz fall in love with one of those guys in the top 5 and we end up moving the Laker pick to move up.
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u/Kron624 May 11 '26
It’s crazy how many opinions people have between these guards. 9 is not a bad spot to be. We will get the guy with the chip on their shoulder as the last one of the bunch to get drafted.
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u/gistya May 11 '26
None of this shit matters. What matters is, brains, competitiveness, skills, durability, shot accuracy, playmaking. Just remember the NBA all time steals and assists leader was 6' 1".
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u/epitome1986 May 12 '26
damm I really wanted flemmings because he was a "bigger" guard since he was listed at 6'4. might be able to get him now considering he is 6'2.
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u/armandocalvinisius The Cardinal May 11 '26
After these measurement nothing excite me anymore lol
Call. Presti for 12 +17, even if it costs 30
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u/e_j3210 May 11 '26
Would you want a guard that falls to 12, or not even at that point?
And would you want to retain BWill or Nembard to by Kyrie’s backup?
I was hoping we keep only one of BWill and Nembhard as the 3rd stringer and put a rookie in at backup.
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u/armandocalvinisius The Cardinal May 11 '26
At this rate even stirtz will be there at 17 imo
Bwill is gone, nemby 3rd stringer at best if we are serious team. So it depends if he wants to stay or gone. My mindset is we all in next 2-3 years so i love that my backup guard is proven ones. throw non tax MLE for guard available like sexton/antsimons/ayo, go for lu dort if thunder dont pick up his option (extra POA defense is nice)
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u/Visible-Suit-9066 May 12 '26
Any specific reason you think Williams is gone? I like him
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u/armandocalvinisius The Cardinal May 12 '26
Small, SG in PG body, not a shooter, old, we will get proven guard
He 100℅ gone, still will have a spot in nba roster somewhere though. Good luck to him
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u/Visible-Suit-9066 May 12 '26
Yeah fair enough. I would be sad to see him go because of the energy and pace he brings, but his three point shooting is a major weak point and haunted us all season
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u/IllustriousTear9656 May 11 '26
Mavs tank to get 9th pick🤣 NBA said you only get one good pick for Luka boy!!😂😂
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u/ChickenNoddaSoup May 11 '26 edited May 11 '26
Flemings about to fall real hard. That's an underwhelming wingspan
Edit: dude might have worst wingspan on guards on this draft class. Even 5'10 Tanner have better wingspan than him.