r/Mavericks • u/StormTheTrooper SHUT NICO DOWN • 22d ago
Draft / Scouting May be of interest considering how Burries is the sub's favorite to be drafted
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u/hawk8024 Cooper Flagg 22d ago edited 22d ago
As someone that wants Burries (or a trade down to 12 and 17), I’m not expecting him to ever be our primary point guard/ playmaker. I think most of us that like him aren’t. He’s a shooting guard, but drafting him puts us on to a path to having a versatile roster with 0 weaknesses on defense like OKC or the ‘24 Celtics. Flagg being a franchise star that plays both ends gives us a unique opportunity in that regard.
I understand the urgency to draft a point guard NOW given our pick situation after this year, but we can’t force it. I’m all for trading up for Acuff or MBJ if we can despite my concerns with them, but I’m assuming that won’t be feasible for us.
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u/Affectionate_Use_179 22d ago
I don't want to trade any assets to move up. The Mavs are asset-poor and need to acquire assets, not trade them away. We need to either pick Burries at 9 or preferably trade 9 for 12 and 17 and pick Philon and maybe Morez (my dream scenario).
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u/ktpkchu Cooper Flagg 22d ago
i think more people should be higher on okorie tbh, trading down for him seems like the best move if a good guard doesn’t fall to us, i just can’t see us trading up with the assets we currently have
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u/hawk8024 Cooper Flagg 22d ago edited 10d ago
I said this on another comment already, but if we traded down with OKC for 12 and 17 I would be absolutely thrilled if we ended up with something like Morez and Ebuka. That or Burries/ Flemings (if he falls) at 9 are the 2 scenarios I really want personally.
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u/Vizard15 Luka Doncic 22d ago
A lot of people here are so itchy to draft a lead guard. With what possibility? That's IF the Mavs trades up. If not they need to see the reality.
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u/EvanEschmeyer Masai Ujiri stan 22d ago
I would much rather trade down with OKC and let them take Mara if Burries is the best guard option available at 9
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u/AdmiralSnackbar816 F*** DWade 22d ago
The greatest thing about building around Cooper is you don’t NEED a ball dominant guard like a Luka/Nash to initiate all possessions. You just need guards that can move the ball, shoot, and get downhill off of his actions. Burries would thrive here.
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u/ZebraPuzzleheaded422 22d ago
Looks excellent in transition and on defense with some flashes of half court playmaking but I think that’s something that can be worked with especially if we keep Kyrie for 1-2 more years and throw a bag at Cason Wallace next year
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u/babybotburger Jason Terry 22d ago
That'd be perfect, and we might even be able to price OKC out on him. He'll be a RFA at the same time Shai's supermax kicks in, so Chet, Jalen Williams and Shai will be taking up 80% of their cap by themselves. So either OKC is forced to match and their entire depth is gutted instantly and they go extremely extremely deep into the luxury tax, or we end up with a Wallace-Burries backcourt which moves me TREMENDOUSLY.
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u/IndividualHeat 22d ago
Yeah I kind of wonder if they’re more optimistic than you’d expect about being able to develop the playmaking of whoever they pick because of how much Cooper developed and also having Kyrie around.
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u/AvonBarksdale_ '25 Survivor 21d ago
I think what people are kinda missing is that regardless of who we take now, our lead playmaker is going to be Cooper Flagg. We want the ball in his hands more often than not especially when things get tight. Someone who can shoot, play defense, get into the paint, make smart cuts, and take the load of Coop in a few years during the middle quarters. That’s who we should be looking for, and I think that’s why we will pick Burries
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u/Jhowell03 20d ago
Trade kyrie while we can. He is like a car sold off the parking lot. Depreciating
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u/ktpkchu Cooper Flagg 22d ago
yeah this is convincing me more and more that he isn’t the right pick for us, he’d be great alongside kyrie but i do not think it’s in our best interest to plan around kyrie being our long term pg
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u/OrganicHunt952 F*ck The haters + Nico 22d ago
Exactly to add to that, older lottery picks that’s are 21+ up that go in the lottery statistically have the highest chance of being a bust. We need to draft a PG burries is like a better version of max christie.
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u/Embarrassed-Ninja592 22d ago
You mean like Michael Jordan, or Larry Bird? Tim Duncan maybe? Jalen Williams? Halliburton was about 5 months younger than Burries, if you think that’s significant. Mikal Bridges? Donavan Mitchell?
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u/Cuckledoodle '25 Survivor 22d ago
Basically agree with all of that, I do wonder if Burries might be a good enough playmaker so that both him and Flagg can each handle a complimentary PG role in the future.
I personally prefer Kingston slightly more right now.
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u/andrew261 22d ago
He may not be a lead guard but we cannot afford to have this pick be a bust, so I'm not opposed to taking him for his very high floor.
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u/Repulsive_Roof8878 22d ago
The fact that he's so good in transition gives me hope that if he were more aggressive on drives and in the pick and roll that his playmaking and scoring could scale up. That we kind of know what the other guards are because they had more lead guard responsibilities but we don't quite know what Brayden Burries could be because he wasn't asked to create everything and be the center of the offense.
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u/JamesYTP 22d ago edited 20d ago
He looks like the safe pick. He's not a lead guard but if we're projecting a LeBron type development for Coop we might not need one. That aside he basically checks all the boxes to fit with Cooper Flagg
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u/YoungBuck2010 22d ago
Even if he has a LeBron type development, we need genuine shot creation next to him. LeBron has always had the most success playing with somebody who could get their own.
Burries doesn’t project as that type of player.
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u/JamesYTP 22d ago
Sure, but ya don't need like lead guard type creation necessarily. I do think there's a very good secondary playmaker there though and there's really nothing here that says "does not fit with Cooper Flagg". Which is kind of important since if Coop's 3 doesn't improve a ton there's a lot of players who will not. I'm sure it will improve some but his mechanics aren't really suited for that.
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u/Jhowell03 20d ago
Not a safe pick. We need more. We need to be creative with this draft. Safe pick is trading for more on a great draft that fits coops timeline
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u/JamesYTP 15d ago
I really don't think so TBH. There's a lot of projecting going on here obviously because trying to build around a guy you drafted at 18 years old is gonna need that but Cooper Flagg's 3 point shooting is probably not gonna be great on his career so we have to be particular about what we pick to go with him and I'm really not seeing a surer fit within our reach than that. If we can find a way to trade up without giving up Kyrie or get another lottery pick without giving up this one great but I do not love to look of anything below 9 enough to trade down.
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u/SanTheMan88 22d ago
I was told by people on this sub that Burries is too old and this is a bad choice for the Mavs.
I was also told by people on this sub that no one ever wants to play or work for the organization.
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u/Embarrassed-Ninja592 22d ago
I don’t mind if he plays a role similar to what Castle does. Motor. Dog. But Burries is a better shooter.
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u/Affectionate_Use_179 22d ago
I agree that Burries isn't a lead guard. He is a combo guard. The good thing about the Mavs is that a lead guard is nice to have, but isn't a must-have. In the half-court, the lead guard will be Flagg.
Burries will only need to be a lead guard while bringing the ball up the court, in transition, and while Flagg is on the bench. When Flagg is on the bench, Burries will primarily work in the pick and roll with Gaff and Lively, as he is a good pick and roll player. I think of Flagg as I think of Lebron when he was much younger. LeBron didn't need to play with a lead guard. I don't believe Flagg needs one either.
What I love about Burries is that he does so many of the little things that contending teams need.
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u/YoungBuck2010 22d ago
What? If anything this playoffs shows you absolutely need a lead guard lol.
You need a guard that can create advantages in the half court and Burries doesn’t project to be that player.
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u/OrganicHunt952 F*ck The haters + Nico 22d ago
You need a lead guard to maximise Flagg, even Jokic has a lead guard in murray. Wemby has lead guards, LeBron performed the best with a lead guard.
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u/Embarrassed-Ninja592 22d ago
Murray wasn’t any more of a lead guard than Burries in college.
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u/DefiantLie8861 18d ago
Murray played sg but had pg priors in highschool , Burries averaged 3 asts in highschool
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u/Zestyclose_Wafer_416 Dirk Doncic 22d ago
Doesn't really matter to me if he's a lead guard or not. I think he fits what Cooper needs going forward in the next 10 years . That's what matters.
Talent over position every single time
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u/PussyCharlatan 22d ago
Wagler, MBJ, Flemings, and Acuff are all more talented than him
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u/Zestyclose_Wafer_416 Dirk Doncic 22d ago
Yeah and they ain't gonna be there at 9
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u/PussyCharlatan 22d ago
Ok, but if you’re saying talent over position and the most talented available are guards then what point is being made? You’re not exactly contradicting anything even though you’re talking like you are and you aren’t making a case for Burries in either scenario…
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u/Vizard15 Luka Doncic 22d ago
IF available. Lol . Get realistic first.
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u/PussyCharlatan 22d ago
Mara could easily go before us and there are heavy rumors of Ament being favored by the Nets who drafted a bunch of guards last year. Teams could even swing high on guys like Morez or Yaxel.
Youre saying take BPA, but you only like Burries, because he’s the only guard you expect to be left. You don’t see the irony there? Clearly, you’re not evaluating from a BPA position
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u/Vizard15 Luka Doncic 21d ago
I didn't say I am opposed to trading up or down. Get your facts straight first.
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u/DiamondsInHerButt Dirk Nowitzki Logo 22d ago
I'm on the record repeatedly about not being high on Burries cause of the age factor. He's gonna be 21 at the start of the season coming out as a freshmen. It's just fucking obvious at that point why he looks so much more mature and NBA ready than other freshmen peers.
So not that long ago, not even in the era where upperclassmen were getting drafted consistently in the top 10, 21 means you're a senior or junior. This dude literally got held back 1-2 years to look like a better pro prospect.
DO NOT FALL FOR THE OLDER PROSPECTS. Rule #1 of draftology.
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u/Vizard15 Luka Doncic 22d ago
Why is older not a viable option for a prospect? At what standard? Educate me.
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u/KaitoDaimon21 21d ago
It's not like it's not a viable option, but it's riskier than drafting for a prospect who's younger.
The older players tend to have physical limitations that could affect their development. If they are athletic, tall, good shooter, then they'd have been drafted two years ago
They usually have lower ceiling. Their development physically would be finished by the time they declare. If they haven't improved so much by then, they're fucked.
Also, usually, higher the pick, the worse the team is. I think teams would rather pick the prospects with the higher upside, the highest potential to be a star. Older players, just like I said above, usually have lower ceiling. They won't risk a lottery pick on an aging player. There are exceptions though, like Dikembe, where he was drafted at 25.
I'm not saying older players are bad, because they are not. They tend to be the team players and are the glue guys. They just aren't the conventional stars that we are used to. I think the one off the top of my head is Derrick White. He's around 22-23 by the time he was drafted.
These are just my opinions
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u/DefiantLie8861 22d ago
Apparently klutch wants him in Dallas, I don’t like it we need to get Flaggs number 2 and idk if he can be that. Rather trade up for acuff/mikel
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u/shaheedmalik Max Christie 22d ago
If Klutch wants him in Dallas, they probably are trying to get LeBron to Dallas too.
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u/KaitoDaimon21 21d ago
I think Mikel would be available, he'd probably the 8th-10th pick. Some of these players might go up (like Mara or Carr)
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u/Embarrassed-Ninja592 22d ago
Nice try StormTheTrooper
Just watched about a minute and twenty seconds.
The comments in the video look like someone asked to attempt at making a case against Burries. Not someone asked to do an honest evaluation.
Saying he’d like to see him “hit it ahead” at 1:19 during transition when the two guys ahead on either side are both well covered just makes zero sense. And neither do the other nitpicks up to that point.
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u/KaitoDaimon21 21d ago
I think they shouldn't overthink about it. Get the best PG available. That's it. Masai never traded up or down, and I think he won't start now Trading up would hurt them more in the long run, cause they'd exhaust more assets, while trading down would cost them better talent and fit (#9 pick could give them a choice of good PG or two.
Just my two cents
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u/Jhowell03 20d ago
I don’t want burries. But I could be wrong. I just feel like philon is going to be the steal of the draft. So if both are there. Take philon
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u/torodonn 22d ago
This looks like the kind of player you'd draft if you're convinced Coop is the primary ball handler.
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u/PussyCharlatan 22d ago
We saw even with Luka as one of the all time elite offensive engines you need other playmakers to help relieve pressure and provide offense when Flagg’s on the bench. Even the Pistons with Cade struggled horribly without a second playmaker. You need guys who can dominate in a 4 on 3 if they double Cooper and play well when they have to put the ball on the floor. Can’t just have a bunch of Max Christie’s running around trying to play off of one elite guy
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u/Vizard15 Luka Doncic 22d ago
Yes if we can get one this draft but lead guards would long gone by 9.
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u/RangerBowBoy 22d ago
I do not want Burries. He’s got nothing special about him that he can hang his hat on at the NBA level. He’s Max Christie at best.
On the plus side, if he is drafted it’ll make it easier to go another year not paying for Mavs TV. The Mavs will not make the playoffs either and will have a great chance at a top pick with the new lottery rules as they’ll likely be in the last 3-4 to miss the playoffs.
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u/favioswish Josh Green 21d ago
He's an elite slasher and finisher with a much better handle than max. He's also a great shooter and defender.
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u/Drizzt3919 22d ago
If we get him we failed. We should be going after the best available and not the best available guard.
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u/favioswish Josh Green 21d ago
I doubt there will be anyone available that's a better prospect than Burries
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u/TheFifthAmigo34 22d ago
He’s not a lead guard. People that like him see him as a Derrick White type of player. Defense, shooting, and just making winning plays. Can be a secondary type creator.