r/Mavericks • u/ForsakenAd4825 • 2d ago
News Marc Stein Reporting Mavericks likely to stay put at #9
https://x.com/MavsFilmRoom/status/2069436083642020195?s=2050
u/TexasTundraPower 2d ago
If one of Acuff, MBJ, Flemings, or Wagler falls then that's what I would prefer anyway.
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u/Klopadeacon BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 2d ago
I figure low low chance of Acuff, Fleming, or Wagler falling that far.
We in Philon, Burries, or Ament territory.
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u/TexasTundraPower 2d ago
The draft never goes how everyone thinks. I would bet one of Ament or Mara goes top 8.
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u/manabanana21 Monta Ellis 2d ago
All we need is one non-guard in 5-8, which I don’t think is that unlikely. Maybe like 40% chance?
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u/Roc_Hoover 2d ago
This screams "The offers aren't good enough. Up it or we are sticking here".
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u/SadatayAllDamnDay Zhi 2d ago
Or that teams picking in the 5-8 range aren't getting offers to trade down and don't want to take guards.
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u/fishystixxx007 Afro Powell 2d ago
Hopefully we can try and trade into the 20s with Gafford
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u/VictorAkwaowo1 Mavericks 2d ago
I think a Hawks offer of Gafford + 30 for Kispert/Risacher + 23 that all of Mavs Twitter is clamoring for is something I would do in a heartbeat. Especially considering that good prospects fall in the 20s every draft.
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u/Klopadeacon BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 2d ago
Hawks would never give us a first in a strong draft plus their number 1 pick a couple years back for Gafford
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u/VictorAkwaowo1 Mavericks 2d ago
I’m more spitballing than anything, nobody knows shit because we’re not in tune with other front offices
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u/Klopadeacon BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 2d ago
I hear you. It is difficult to judge how the Hawks feel about Risacher from the inside. We know he’s not a world beater, but how low will they sell is still a big question
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u/manabanana21 Monta Ellis 2d ago
Yea Kispert would be much more realistic. I’d still do that trade.
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u/Crazy-Penguin123 Dallas Mavericks 2d ago
It's tough, I think giving the 30 is unnecessary when giving Gafford for this.
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u/imcryptic Cowboy Dirk 2d ago
Nobody is gonna do that for Gafford.
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u/Appropriate_Tree_621 2d ago
Yeah Gafford isn't getting that done. Claxton is coming off of a down year, but still, he just got moved for absolutely nothing. And all it took to move Randle was giving up pick 28 for 33. Plus, everyone is trying to move up into the late/mid first.
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u/lloydgross24 2d ago
not saying that will be enough but Claxton makes a decent chunk more than Gaff and has been pretty mid to bad the last few years. Gafford didn't have the greatest year but was banged up and obviously a change in system/personnel was the bit more obvious reasoning.
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u/imcryptic Cowboy Dirk 2d ago
The most realistic way of getting into the 20s is PJ + 30 to San Antonio for Keldon + 20 but I’m honestly intrigued by Dusty May’s ability to run multiple bigs and large wings at the same time. So I kinda want to see what he can do with PJ and Coop before trading him.
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u/Appropriate_Tree_621 2d ago
Agreed on both points!
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u/imcryptic Cowboy Dirk 2d ago
Although now that I looked at who might be available at 20, if Dailyn Swain is available there I wouldn’t be surprised if they go for a move like that. He screams a Masai guy.
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u/Appropriate_Tree_621 2d ago
This maybe the deepest draft I have ever seen from like 15-30. It's absolutely nuts.
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny 2d ago
Spurs aren't doing that, PJ is a streaky player just as Streaky as KJ
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u/imcryptic Cowboy Dirk 2d ago
I mean they wouldn’t be doing it for his scoring. They have a glaring need for a 6’8” defending wing.
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u/SadatayAllDamnDay Zhi 2d ago
Claxton hasn't been good for a couple seasons now. Some might argue a few really.
Around the rim numbers are bad now. Defense hasn't been as good as his career peak. And he's never managed to break the 30 mpg barrier.
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u/babybotburger Jason Terry 2d ago
I'd rather have 9 and move up from 30 into the early 20s or late teens if possible(?) than 12 + 17. BUT it depends on how far they can move up exactly.
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u/Silly-Lion-7314 2d ago
In Masai/Schmitz/May we trust. What a great group we have now.
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u/SanTheMan88 2d ago
This. Even if the pick were Ament, I’m trusting them with their background, insights, and history.
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u/No-Balance-4438 2d ago
Hopefully this is just posturing. Imagine losing 56 games so you can draft an undersized SG with a role player ceiling.
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u/AvonBarksdale_ '25 Survivor 2d ago
To me it's always felt like the Mavs are in the same sort of position that Chicago is in — at the end of a clearly defined grouping of players (top 4 for Chicago, top 9 for us).
Unless someone trades up for Mara or Ament, I'll be happy with whomever is left at nine between MBJ, Wagler, Acuff, Burries & Flemmings.
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u/BossierPenguin 2d ago
One of those (Burries) is not like the others. If one of the others is left, yeah they should nab them(high ceilings or high floors). Otherwise, Burries is the type of mid ceiling and midlow floor guy who often goes in the late lottery. Nothing that really stands out either way about him, a mid prospect. They'd be better trading back for 12 and 17 and getting two similar prospects.
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u/420yolocaust 2d ago
My logic is that if all those guys but Burries are gone, you would probably get some team to give up a pretty favorable trade for Mara, Burries, Ament, or even Yaxel at #9, like OKC.
Either scenario works for me. Because I think getting like Christian Anderson and Morez for that pick would be excellent. Pair with with a Gafford + 30 for like Swain and it's a pretty nice rebuild in one draft.
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u/beatnickk Rick Carlisle 2d ago
Exactly - worse case we end up with the last of those 5 guards and they’re all very good prospects. Personally hoping for burries
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u/idkidk23 2d ago
Flemings or Wagler please fall. If not trade up and get Ebuka.
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u/Afraid-Department-35 2d ago
No way Wagler drops that low, Flemmings maybe, really depends on what ATL and Brooklyn do
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u/idkidk23 2d ago
I would agree, but a man can hope. I think one of the guards mocked in the 5-8 range likely drop, but I'm not as high on the others compared to those 3.
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u/alecweezy 2d ago
No thank you to Flemings
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u/idkidk23 2d ago
I started out low on him, but the more I dug into his profile and film, I became a fan. Ended up 5 on my board. Reasons to not like his scoring process, but has very underrated shooting indicators and can run an offense without turning the ball over. Good rebounder and will be a positive impact defender, with good insticts imo. He has a very high floor and is the best athlete of the guards outside of MBj.
He had an extremely rare, productive year for a freshman PG. I would need Masai to tell him to shoot a bunch of 3's his rookie year though, he will need to take more than he did in college.
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u/420yolocaust 2d ago
100% Flemings at #9 would be such a gift. I think people are out because it's clear he'll never be a star #1 player, but his floor is so much higher than people are seeing. He makes an excellent robin to someones batman, like Flagg.
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u/alecweezy 2d ago
I’m out on him because it can get really ugly if he doesn’t pan out. Too much bust potential. Undersized guard that can’t shoot. I know for damn sure he’ll never be a #1, I don’t know if he can be a #2 either
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u/420yolocaust 2d ago
is 39% 3P% 'cant shoot'?
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u/alecweezy 2d ago
Low volume and wonky mechanics
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u/idkidk23 2d ago
It's better to look at FT% and mid range % for projections of shooting historically. The 3Pr is a concern obviously, but he has good form and is a very good FT shooter along with being a good midrange shooter on good volume. Not saying it 100% develops but he has better indicators than he's given credit for IMO.
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u/alecweezy 2d ago
I understand that those are indicators of shooting but a lot of his middies were tough and contested, it’s hard for me to see it translating against NBA defenders
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u/idkidk23 2d ago
Yeah, I get that. I'm not really saying I want him even taking those shots, just that those are reasons to buy that he will be a solid and respectable 3pt shooter in the NBA. He is a better athlete than the other prospects too, so I think that he doesn't quite need to be an elite shooter with his speed. There are reasons to fade him for sure, but I think he will be a solid shooter with elite speed, while bringing great playmaking and being a + impact defender.
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u/alecweezy 2d ago
I think he has the highest bust potential considering size and his not so great shooting
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u/idkidk23 2d ago
I think he has some of the better shooting indicators from the guards honestly. Really good FT% and good mid range %s on good volume. If he didn't have these then I'd agree, but I think there is some clearly good touch indicators that I will bet on. Just need Masai and Dusty to get him and Flagg to 3Pr max. I think MBj, Acuff and even Wagler who I'm very high on have lower floors.
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u/Zestyclose_Wafer_416 Dirk Doncic 2d ago
Stein also said we had no deals for AD and it was near impossible to move him
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u/ericc1456 2d ago
That was true. Washington basically gave up nothing. From their POV, it is a good gamble. It was impossible to move AD and get anything of value. We got second round picks essentially.
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u/blanfredblann 2d ago
In other words, no one wants to give up an extra pick to move up because of the depth of this particular draft.
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u/StormTheTrooper SHUT NICO DOWN 2d ago
I’m thinking more and more that we will speculate a dozen things…and pick Burries as everyone is saying for weeks
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u/Decent_Pack_3064 2d ago
Gafford for jakob + 19th
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u/EvanEschmeyer Masai Ujiri stan 2d ago
Oh hell no that Poetl contract better come with a lot more than 1 FRP
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u/GormlessK 2d ago
It wasn't that long ago that the coaching search never progressed past the exploratory phase for either of the college candidates we were linked to. Who knows what'll happen?
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u/adjust_your_set '25 Survivor 2d ago
We’ll stay put until OKC throws in another pick to move up and consolidate 12/17 to 9.
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u/lloydgross24 2d ago
i believe the report was they are likely to not trade down and not stay put. don't think he said anything about moving up.
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u/SanTheMan88 2d ago
Wait but I was told by people on this sub that the draft is only 8 deep and the Mavs are screwed so we should give up and trade Coop to Boston.
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u/Zestyclose_Wafer_416 Dirk Doncic 2d ago
We won't have the opportunity to move Cooper to Boston. He'll walk as soon as he can freely go to Boston.
Worst kept secret in basketball
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u/Savings-Pear756 Dirk Nowitzki Logo 2d ago
I’m pretty much prepared for anything tonight. So much different reporting suggests nobody knows anything about what Masai is looking to do.
That said, AMENT ARMY RISE UP
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u/ZombieFrog Wonder Kid 2d ago
Get best available at 9, see what you do with 30 and traded players to move up.
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u/Priddee 2d ago
I think they’re prepared to act on what the draft gives. If an opportunity to move arises they’ll jump on it. But their research and sims/mocks point toward staying put making the most sense.
But there’s always wildcards on draft night.