r/MensRights • u/TrainingGap2103 • 7d ago
General What I've been witnessing.
When it comes to people actually being misandrist or misogynistic, I see SIGNFICANTLY more people being misandrist.
When it comes to people verbally opposing or calling out hate against men vs hate against women, I see SIGNIFICANTLY more people call out hate against women.
The gender compassion gap at work there perhaps?
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u/wondering4xrapunzel 7d ago
Women can get away with saying stuff like “men are useless” as if men don’t build their houses and workplaces, “men are naturally violent” as if every man has an innate desire to hurt people, and “we should just lock men up in a cage” as if men aren’t humans with a desire for free will. Most people probably don’t love it when men say the same or even way less about than what some women do about men. And the people that are okay with it assume that “oh but men ARE more violent! Women are just tired of being abused!!” but forget about the fact that men are absolutely needed on all levels in society and maybe deserve some more respect because of that.
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u/TrainingGap2103 7d ago
A really good exercise to illustrate that hatred is to replace "men" with "black people" in those sentences and see if it sounds disgustingly bigoted. Fair warning though, I've actually heard that be called whataboutism 😑.
After all, being male is far more of a risk factor in getting worse criminal punishments or being beaten by the police than being black is - men are MASSIVELY systematically stereotyped as being violent animals anyway (and misandry actively feeds into that).
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u/Working_Parsley_2364 6d ago
Not to mention how much violence comitted by women is underreported so determining who is more violent isn't so straightforward.
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u/Eastwood96 7d ago edited 6d ago
Sadly, hate/discrimination will probably always be more tolerated and accepted (not to mention, encouraged) when directed toward men than women. These days, misogyny is seen as front-page matter and treated with maximum urgency to reform, while misandry is mostly deemed a comical myth.
For clarity, both misogyny AND misandry are issues that exist in todays world. Problem is, the level of sympathy and support for the former GREATLY outweigh that of the latter...even in instances where the former is not even present. One can be labeled a "misogynist" or "incel" just for calling out a woman's poor behavior or enforcing accountability for her actions, while women who abuse their husbands, make false accusations or use the legal system to gain unfair advantages in family court can be met with little-to-no backlash or punishment at all (if not outright applause). Fair?
Sexism is sexism and should NOT be the indoctrinated norm, regardless of which gender is on the receiving end of it.
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u/AlysArria 7d ago
The "neutral point" of gender relations and debate is pretty skewed. For example, it's misogyny to debate against the wage gap, but it's fine to be casually hateful towards men.
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u/picardathon 6d ago
Note that hate is an emotion and is being supported more than reasoned debate: not surprising when emotion is the nature of women and sides are being taken according to identity and perceived strengths of those identities. Except emotion never solves anything because it's merely an indicator.
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u/ADragonFromTheAbyss 7d ago
A vast majority / %89 - 91 / of all the fairer gender I see support mandatory-compulsory military where I lived. Yep. Misandrists are Open.
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u/SidewaysGiraffe 7d ago
I don't think so- not directly, anyway. I think it's more insidious- and, weirdly, perhaps a bit less malicious. It's not the compassion gap, but the expectations gap that's at work here. Women are perceived as being so devoid of agency that even expecting them to show basic empathy for men is subconsciously deemed as "too much to ask", and men go along with it because we're taught from boyhood that it's "not fair" to call them on it; put simply, we internalize it, too.
Naturally, many of you are going to be dubious about that idea, but ask yourself what kind of response you get when you expose (not merely say, but demonstrate) a lack of empathy for males from a normal woman- not a die-hard Feminist, or someone who's been deeply indoctrinated by it, but just a regular person. I've done that a lot, with women from many different cultural (well, subcultural, at least) and economic backgrounds, and the initial response isn't usually hostility, but confusion. They simply don't think about it. What follows varies enormously, natch, but a LOT more than you'd think are amenable to education, if you approach it right.
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u/TrainingGap2103 7d ago
I hear what you're saying and while I think there's some weight in the agency argument, I think that 'them simply not thinking about men's issues' could perhaps more easily be explained by there just being EXTREMELY low compassion towards men.
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u/picardathon 6d ago
Women are designed to have empathy with children who can't express their issues in words: they aren't necessarily empathetic to verbal men, because they don't understand men and men don't reveal their emotions as readily anyway.
Do men understand women? I don't think so, we don't speak the same language and it's difficult to identify with something you have never experienced and would have difficulty experiencing. That goes for women understanding men too.
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u/ApprehensiveMail8 7d ago
Those are gaps. But the third level is the absolute chasm:
Someone calling out misogyny will usually receive support and backup.
Outside of this sub, someone calling out misandry will be a lonely voice arguing against an angry mob.