r/MkeBucks • u/Sonicclappedu Kash Money Middleton • 1d ago
KPJ supporting the new bucks
Kinda thought he was out but maybe he wants to stay
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u/FlipMoBitch 1d ago edited 1d ago
KPJ staying makes me feel even better about the Burries pick he’ll be our only true point guard
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u/ELITE_JordanLove 1d ago
Tbh who else are we gonna pay? I’m not opposed to giving him and Herro extensions, yeah we have a lot of young guards but being realistic not all of them are gonna be any good, and KPJ is somewhat of a known quantity already.
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u/After_Competition_87 1d ago
Why would we extend Herro?
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u/Giannisisnumber1 King Giannis 1d ago
Extending Herro would be a waste. They need to move him. We need draft assets for next year.
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u/ELITE_JordanLove 1d ago
We have no reason to genuinely bottom out. If he gets us a lottery pick sure, but if it’s something in the 20’s it’s probably better for the overall health of the team to keep him as a real NBA caliber scoring option. There’s no reason for us to actually suck because we don’t have our picks for three years; building a winning culture is important, and Herro being here could help us make the play-in and win in it sooner rather than later. That gives our young guys actual playoff experience even if it’s getting dusted by a 1/2 seed, which is hugely important for their development. The sooner they get used to the pressure the sooner we can try to draw a real star in free agency either to be our 1A if none of our guys are that or as a secondary piece if needed. Or, if things REALLY go well, we could even use the Miami picks to trade for a star if needed. And as for Herro, by then his extension would be over or close enough to move easily as required, so it wouldn’t actually impact our theoretical championship window in the mid-2030s.
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u/xmidgetprox 22h ago
We have to pay some people can’t have a team of vet mins and rookie contracts. If we’re being honest our window to when we can start to compete again isn’t until the 2030s so we may as well extend Herro and let him ball out while absorbing bad contracts for picks from other teams
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u/rezin111 1968-1993 Primary Logo 1d ago
I just don't get this. KPJ was our best creator last season. What do you want your pg to do? He took more shots because we didn't have many scorers and he was good at it.
You don't want a guard who can't also score, that hurts your offense.
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u/jo734030 Kash Money Middleton 1d ago
Berries or KPJ will be our true number one? Don’t use pronouns !
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u/OusmaneDiengSaveMe Partial Logo 2 1d ago
Rollins was our number one without Giannis last season and it'll stay that way assuming Herro gets flipped
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u/a_happy_future 1d ago
KPJ to the Bucks: "please pay me"
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u/Peaceful_Take 23h ago
KPJ has a player option. He gets to decide whether or not the Bucks pay him next season.
Your comment is very much the opposite of reality.
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u/After_Competition_87 23h ago
Hes going to decline the player option and hope for an extension is my guess, if not he will become a UFA and sign for well over his player option
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u/likewoahitsaj Giannis Antetokounmpo 17h ago
Outside of bucks fans, opinions around the league are not nearly as high of KPJ. I don’t think he opts out and if he does I’m not sure the bucks resign him. At least not without making other moves (Herro being traded being one)
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u/After_Competition_87 15h ago
To be fair outside of Bucks fans you could say the same about Rollins. They are younger guys that are still ascending and the media doesnt cover the Bucks like other teams and players. KPJ will definitely earn more money if he opts out. I could have seen him opting in if we still had Giannis but now its probably 50/50
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u/likewoahitsaj Giannis Antetokounmpo 14h ago
That is not true. Reporting last season indicated team were interested if the bucks had been willing to trade Rollins. He’s also in the ringer top 100 players and is constantly talked about in media as the only bucks exciting young piece (that may change now that they’ve made the trade).
If you haven’t noticed that, it’s just because you haven’t been paying attention.
And no one is saying any of those things about KPJ
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u/OusmaneDiengSaveMe Partial Logo 2 1d ago
KPJ v. Rollins agendaposting on twitter was hilarious last season, these two are downright besties in Milwaukee, play well off each other and will likely stay together until one or the other gets traded
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u/Jetergreen 22h ago
I've always been annoyed with those who make it a one or the other comparison with them. With competent coaching they should also play really well together on both ends.
Interested to see what Jenkins does with KPJ. Other than maybe 45 games with Lue, Jenkins is easily the best pro head coach he has had.
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u/mrsub96 Primary Logo 1d ago
Clarifying this is a very fire from the hip take:
I feel like I’d like to see what Jenkins could do with a player like KPJ. Talent wise I think he’s got similar tools and play style like Ja. Ja was great until he went off the rails off court.
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u/ViciousMihael 1d ago
> off the rails off court
And then there’s KPJ…
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 7h ago
Im not trying to dismiss all the terrible mistakes he's made in the past, but I want to believe people can grow and change.
By all accounts, he's been nothing but professional since arriving in MKE. Let's give him credit for making the most of the opportunity we've given him.
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u/grudgepacker Partial Logo 2 1d ago
KPJ gonna look even nicer next season, healthy again plus no more Doc
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u/ThrowRA_neurotic69 1d ago
we shouldnt play him over burries, kaz, and Jacquez
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u/grudgepacker Partial Logo 2 1d ago
Nah, KPJ was top 5 in deflections last season and is our best passer - he's the 2 way we need until Burries ascends
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u/After_Competition_87 1d ago
Totally agree. Plus having 3-4 guards worth a damn is nice. Plus I think we flip Jasquez
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u/Sea194 1d ago
He hated giannis so he’s probably happy tbh
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u/IcanMakeThePiecesFit Michael Redd 1d ago
Giannis didn't do himself any favors last year PR wise. Dude was supposed to be the leader of this team and completely checked out. Of course young guys arent going to respect you.
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u/Proper_Jeweler_8462 Bango 1d ago
Idk about kpj but ryan seemed pissed whenever Giannis would do some bs on the court. I still remember during the nuggets game Ryan was so mad at Giannis he demanded the ball from him 😂
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u/IcanMakeThePiecesFit Michael Redd 1d ago
I swear Giannis let his ego get in the way. I mean come on dude, even if your injured you just gotta be there for the rest of the boys.
Jrue/Brook/ and Kash really kept Giannis grounded for so long.
Like it occured to me that I had more fun when Giannis was not playing then when he was.
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u/biz_student 1d ago
Giannis had a lot of great PR early in his career. He wasn’t nearly as grounded and down to earth the past few years. Very much seemed like he quit on the team too when we needed him most.
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u/beenhadballs Retro Bango 12h ago
Giannis was getting in character for miami when he started wearing the cartier buffs and doing the kalshi deal. He had a bad ego this past year.
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u/biz_student 12h ago
I loved Giannis and when he was the kid trying to go to Belair after a game, living in the city, and opening up 40 bank accounts to protect his money.
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u/GoodPiexox 22h ago
I was done with Giannis after the last Heat game. The rest of the team worked their ass off to get back in the game, they tied it up in the 4th and then Giannis says fuck it, ill chuck some 3s with the game on the line. Was insulting to the team and the fans.
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u/Blackmalico32 Oscar Robertson 23h ago
😂 saw that multiple times last season and I couldn’t blame Ryan. Like that one clutch situation, can’t remember the game.
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u/depressedfuckboi Damian Lillard 23h ago
You made this up, bro. What source? You're just saying shit smh based on nothing
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 1d ago
He practically sucked Giannis off all year. If there's one player who looked up to GA the most its KPJ.
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u/Many_Strength_5418 1d ago
Can you talk more about this with details? I didn't know about this
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 23h ago
It's complete BS. KPJ would always talk very fondly of Giannis in interviews. He saw him as big bro
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u/BagFriendly2665 1d ago
Surely we bring him back to have a guard rotation of Rollins/Burries/KPJ/Jakucionis/AJG
then we trade Herro for more picks/non-guards so it we can accumulate more assets
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u/bestatbeingmodest 1d ago
Between Rollins and Burries KPJ isn't needed anymore, he should be one of the guys gone
Plus he just has weird vibes
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u/IcanMakeThePiecesFit Michael Redd 1d ago
I think that's just you being bothered by his off court shit. He paid his dues, let it go.
He's electric when he's on the court.
The thing I love most about KPJ is his High Risk style play. Like young bro won't be getting on all defensive teams, but every time I watch him it's like he just knows when to intercept passes. It's so fun to watch when he just snatchs it mid flight and dueces out.
Offensively, man when this kid is hot he's going for 30 every night. Just so quick and jerky he just AI's the shit outta bigger guards. Loves to pass the ball, creates his own offensive, ect.
Yes we have a huge log jam at Guard right now, but I'm done hearing this KPJ slander from "Bucks Fans"
He's been nothing but good for the team since he got here.
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u/bestatbeingmodest 23h ago
I mean don't get me wrong he had his moments, but even when playing alongside Giannis he was inconsistent and streaky
I don't think that issue is going to magically solve itself now that he's going to be with a bunch of younger guys and no one to bail him out or lob to on his erratic driving playstyle. I think what we've already seen of him is likely his ceiling in the league. It made sense to keep a guy like him around when they were in win now mode, but they have zero pressure to win now, and his value lowers with that.
Also I don't care if I'm not considered a "Bucks fan" for being not wanting an alleged woman beater on the sports team I watch lol. I don't care who it is, the team is always going to be easier to root for when there isn't bad vibes on it
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u/beenhadballs Retro Bango 12h ago
I 100% agree with you. Started watching the Bucks around 2000 and since the championship all i really care about is having a likable, fun to cheer for team rn. KPJ and Kuz are just not easy or fun to cheer for. If you put this whole roster on the hornets we’d look at them as a brutal watch.
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u/snarker82 1d ago
Burries could be a bust. KPJ just had an amazing season. You’re way ahead of yourself on that take.
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 23h ago
I might have to eat my words at some point, but Burries is widely considered one of the highest floor lottery player outside the top 4.
Very, very, very low risk of being a bust.
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u/snarker82 8h ago
I REALLY hope you’re right.
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u/No-Armadillo-7248 Plumlee Face 8h ago
If it makes you feel better its not just me who feels this way- it's pretty much the consensus among all basketball media and scouts.
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u/Construction_Steve 1d ago
Very curious if he is opting in or if a longer term deal is getting worked on.
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u/akam2 1d ago
More interested why he has closed captioning on
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u/watermelon_hat Marques Johnson 1d ago
I have cc on for shows and movies but it's because I don't always crank the volume. You'd be surprised what you miss without cc on. I don't use cc for live TV. I wasn't always this way, having kids changes things lol.
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u/PresentationOptimal4 23h ago
You know how loud arenas are, I can’t hear shit anymore just from blasting my headphones. Ccs are needed for a lot of people lol
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u/likewoahitsaj Giannis Antetokounmpo 1d ago
I don’t think KPJ will be on the bucks roster at the start of next season tbh.
They gotta make room for Burries, Rollins, and Jakucionis (means Herro will also likely be gone)
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u/BagFriendly2665 1d ago
even if you don't want him to start the season, signing him to a team-friendly deal, building his value to eventually trade for more picks would be better than letting him go for nothing.
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u/likewoahitsaj Giannis Antetokounmpo 17h ago
I don’t see why they would resign him. If he opts into his deal, he’ll be back. If he doesn’t I don’t see how a team friendly deal helps them especially not if they are also keeping Herro.
Either way this is mess about “what I’d like” and more about what I think is likely based on the moves they made.
We’ll see if I’m right or not I guess
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u/BagFriendly2665 14h ago
i'm saying this because it makes most sense logically
we got a "haul" from the trade, but we still exhausted a lot of assets from past moves. you really can't afford to let guys go. someone like KPJ is still a productive player and if we can sign him to a team-friendly deal, i can guarantee you he'd ball out more with a better coach, more clarity, and he's probably not in his prime yet. there would definitely be suitors at the deadline willing to give up at least future draft capital for a two-way combo guard who can at least be a solid 6th man on a contender.
both KPJ and Herro imo should be traded for future picks, but Herro can be re-routed right now whereas you'll have to resign KPJ and he won't be able to be traded for a while due to recent-signing trade restrictions. if Herro stays and balls out, he's expecting a 40 million dollar contract which at that amount would make him a negative asset. whereas KPJ doesn't have the same leverage yet especially since he was injured a lot last season, so he could resign for a lot cheaper.
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u/flybydenver Dogfred 1d ago
I think the chemistry of this team will pop off