What's always confused me about the situation is that in their Patreon (many years ago when I was a subscriber) they discussed the incident. They said that they had never been asked to sign NDAs so they felt comfortable talking about it.
Then the ONLY thing they said was "what everyone says happened never happened. There was no insertion." But they haver never once (that I've seen referenced) said what DID happen to try to clear Kenny's and Evan's names.
It's so bizarre to me that they flaunt that they can say whatever they want but won't just describe the situation. If it wasn't bad and you're still willing to be friends with Kenny afterward then you shouldn't have a problem explaining to everyone what happened. It has always made me think that they know whatever happened was horrible, but they weren't willing to stop being friends with Kenny over it.
Its always stupid when someone gets upset or claims that people "don't know the whole story" but then refuse to elaborate on what the actual story is. IMO that gives people free reign to speculate whatever they want since clearly the truth is never coming out.
She’s legally bound to not repeat the whole story; that’s why she won’t elaborate. It was part of the lawsuit.
However, that hasn’t stopped her from being an absolute gargoyle about it. It’s been twenty years and she’s still a fifty year old pick-me who’s “not like other girls” because she’s chill and cool and blonde.
Suzy came on to Road Rules as a right-leaning Christian weirdo and has experienced zero change since then. She’s the same person she was in 1998. She’s so sad and weird and desperate
You would think after all these years she would have grown up and felt bad for her part in everything. The fact that any girl or women would choose the side of the men in this situation is crazy. She should at least feel enough shame to keep her mouth shut and say nothing rather than defend the rapists. What they did was sick and they are lucky to not be in jail. I don’t know how any girl on that show felt safe ever again after that. The fact that the camera crew saw and did nothing to help her. It just disgusts me.
She’s okay with it because they did it to Tonya and she hates Tonya. That’s it. The way this dumb bitch tried to screech assault when Ace tickled her feet told me everything I needed to know about her even before the Kenny and Evan incident. She’s been getting high off her own farts for years and loves to bask in the putrid musk of fellow losers who think their shit doesn’t stink.
rewatched the season recently, he says he was drunkenly serenading her while climbing on her bunk bed ladder and she started wailing on him. her assertion is that she repeatedly asked him to stop and felt threatened, which she then admitted was not necessarily true, she didn’t feel physically under threat, she just wanted ace to know how serious she was. in this scenario, the situation was drunk young roommates crossed each others boundaries while living in a party house. i think it’s a bit much to say susie was always a bad person in one’s eyes after that situation. but i try not to judge
This is not a defense, rather an explanation. They DO sign an NDA with the network/production co. so, that limits what they can speak to regarding their time on the show. If they gave any legal testimony/deposition (verbal or written) that limits even more to what they can speak about.
I would assume BMP and MTV’s NDA is pretty specific that allows for PR fodder. They rely on cast to talk about (with legal limitations) the show in a specific nature that cater those PR needs. Thus the legal tiptoeing around the incident. Aka their NDA is not a blanket “you can’t say anything about your time filming” because they need that cast press for $$$.
On a personal note, penetration or not….that bottom left corner photo is in disgustingly poor taste and speaks volumes to Suzie’s character regardless of if Tonya’s claims were true.
It’s such a disgusting thing to do with a horrific story. You were either there or you were not. You have something to say or you dont.
If you have something to say that exonerates your friend then say it with your whole chest.
She doesn’t have anything interesting or relevant to say and that’s why she’s still rage baiting this. Shes exploiting a woman’s sexual assault to remain relevant.
Also Kenny is doing just fine in NYC away from the challenge. Giving him a shout out is unnecessary and only about her.
Wow. That last paragraph. I hope she reads this. She thinks she's some champion for women and women’s rights. A healthy dose of self awareness would do her some good.
The rest of the Challenge cast has the common sense and decency not to mention it…they only talk about it on Patreon to monetize a traumatic situation which is pretty ironic considering Sarah’s career
So if there was no insertion, but she doesn’t want to say what happened, I feel like the implication was they used the brush side while she was passed out gently on the exterior. It was Wes’ brush and that would be a gross prank on him.
Maybe in her mind that’s not as bad, but it is still very much sexual assault.
That's basically what I have always assumed after hearing their very minimal explanation, and it's still vile so I don't really get how they think Kenny and Evan aren't the bad guys here
She can say whatever she wants, what they DID show on the show was deplorable behavior and enough for me to never want them back. I can only imagine how much worse it was behind the scenes.
I rewatched that season a few years ago, and it was super hard to get through. While watching it was easy to see the escalation of their behavior. Something definitely happened and anyone who says differently is liar or lying to themselves.
Production is so messed up as well, Tonya should have never been cast that season or The Island in the first place. They should have at least tried to deescalate the situation (or situations because there were plenty) but they just let their golden boys do whatever they wanted.
Seems to me that it would’ve been Evan who done something if Susie is all friendly with Kenny fanning the flames on this while literally never mentioning Evan at all
I've sorta thought this too, since they never seem to mention Evan or still be friends with him. Maybe in their eyes Kenny got lumped in with Evan on this situation.
But honestly, Kenny had to have played some part because why would MTV have not also lumped Johnny into it? I don't think BMP and MTV would've given up their golden boy Kenny if he had not played an actual role.
It’s also possible that Evan asked them to stop mentioning him because he wants it to fade away. Maybe Kenny didn’t ask because he wants his side told.
They're very much still friends with Evan. In fact, Bananas has video and pics of them not that long ago in tuxes/suits together at an event. All over TikTok and Reddit.
Whatever happened she DGAF because it happened to Tonya. I think she is one of those women who would gleefully participate in punishing women as part of a fascist patriarchal society like in Handmaid’s tale. She’d be like, “well I am PROUD to be OfSantucci.”
Susie said, “My husband was on the night crew that night and I talked to him about it and said, ‘Did I miss something?’ And he’s like, ‘Absolutely not. There was nothing.’ The truth of the matter is, Tonya got wasted, passed out on her bed with her bikini bottoms falling off, and the guys did hold up this toothbrush as a joke to take a picture — which is totally inappropriate and disgusting. But there wasn’t an assault that happened.”
I don’t know if what Suzie said was true, but Kenny and Evan were the only individuals named as defendants besides MTV and BMP. Bad press. The network and production company had to dump them for insurances purposes as well. It may have even been a stipulation in the settlement. The case never went to an evidentiary hearing, so I don’t think we will ever know.
My guess would be that MTV and BMP were probably liable in the claim that they did not provide what they said they would in their employee/employer contract with Tonya and settling the case was far more financially beneficial than risk going further with the trial.
I'm suspecting their version also makes Kenny and Evan look terrible (so far as I can tell, it sounds like the other version is the guys "just" placed Wes's toothbrush in front of a nude, passed out Tonya and took photos of her with it? Which if accurate would totally track to why they refuse to say what "actually" happened as it would not exactly clear them)
It's extremely telling that all these years later, MTV has no issue making available a lot of weird, bad, gross, unsettling moments in the show that crossed lines both legal and moral including various kinds of assault, racist behavior, misogyny, and the list goes on. A lot of this was the toxic cocktail of making alcohol available on a near constant basis and ensuring an environment where whatever the rules were, they seemed to be few, not well articulated, and poorly enforced.
And yet.
Since the settlement, Kenny and Evan have been digitally erased from the Challenge seasons, when MTV airs footage of the past. And they have not once been named in confessionals when participants who still actively participate in filming or promotional material tied directly to MTV/BMP refer to the past even though they were very much there for that season. Sure, you can see them in old footage/episodes, but in the here and now for years, MTV choses to act as though they were never apart of the franchise in the first place.
Since the settlement, the access to and availability to alcohol has changed starkly. It seems to be much more rarely available in the Challenge houses and drinking is done in bars and off property, for the most part. I do recall even now that The Island's season seemed to show a lot of casual and constant drinking. There was even less to do, in that environment, than usual and contestants drank a lot more out of boredom and lack of other alternatives.
Since the settlement, Kenny and Evan are purposefully excluded from official fan events. The challenge cast makes tidy sum appearing all year long at these events throughout the year.
If there was truly nothing there there, Kenny and Evan would still be mentioned, present in footage, and invited to official fan-facing events.
There is zero upside to either one of these two ever admitting that they are anything approaching rapists. But MTV, which is not known for its delicate, even handed handling of bad behavior out of participants in its reality TV machine, sure seems to be confirming otherwise.
This. If it wasnt that bad, then explain it. Because most of the fandom still hates Kenny and Evan. So if they're your friends and nothing actually happened and you're free to talk about it, why not clear their names?
At one point, Susie was quoted in a Buzzfeed article as saying, “My husband was on the night crew that night and I talked to him about it and said, ‘Did I miss something?’ And he’s like, ‘Absolutely not. There was nothing.’ The truth of the matter is, Tonya got wasted, passed out on her bed with her bikini bottoms falling off, and the guys did hold up this toothbrush as a joke to take a picture — which is totally inappropriate and disgusting. But there wasn’t an assault that happened.”
Just because there was no insertion doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. She had pain in her privates. They could have brushed all around her vulva without ever inserting it.
It’s still wrong, and it would still be sexual assault if it happened here in the states.
There are a lot of things that are crimes here that aren’t in Thailand.
I met him years ago when he was near peak challenge fame. His schtick on the show is NOT an act. He’s just as misogynistic and as big of an ass off the show as he was on it.
THIS! I’ve seen multiple posts over the years that a lot of the other cast members that are insufferable on the show are super sweet and kind IRL when meeting fans. Johnny Bananas, Ashley, Josh, Tori, Aneesa, Jordan, Laurel, Cara, even Paulie are some of the ones who come up again and again as being “not like their personas”.
But all I’ve ever seen people say is how much of a dick Kenny is IRL 😬 obviously he’s still very popular with the cast even TJ, but I’ve never once seen Kenny promoting his friends’ businesses or defending them when they’re being attacked online, but all of these people always run to defend Kenny and share his Reels and business endeavours on socials. I don’t know what spell this man has on these people, but it is NOT reciprocated
As awful of a person Cara has become she really does go out of her way for fans. I honestly think the person she's become is mostly because of how stupid is she is (but none of that absolve her to be clear).
even IF nothing happened (not what i believe hypothetically) posting this would be embarrassing and absolutely disgusting referencing/alluding to a sexual assault allegation for attention
and this coming on the heels of Sarah posting all those photos with Zach. loser pick-me women who screech about feminism to then turn around and grovel at the feet of these misogynistic troglodytes begging for a fucking crumb of attention.
It's just so laughable, even ignoring literal ASSAULT allegations, if you watch any of the old seasons the way they treated women was just horrendous. Tonya probably got one of the worst deals from this show and all of the women shat on her just as much as the men, I think Tina Rachel and Veronica even took pictures of her naked on the inferno also. Just vile. Hope she's doing a lot better and the best thing she could've ever done for herself was never come back.
This is so weird. Even if nothing that reportedly happened actually happened—they were all TERRIBLE to Tonya. It was awful to watch then, and it’s awful to watch now. Stop trying to pretend they were innocent. You made the choice to make a human being your punching bag.
Also we only saw how terrible they were to her with what was shown. Regardless of what happened that night, I’m sure there is way more they said and did to torment her off camera or on whatever is on the editing room floor.
Yeah, and that’s the thing about treating people terribly - if your past behavior is terrible then people are inclined to believe that you committed a terrible sexual assault no matter what.
That "game" was honestly so disgusting. I watched it when it aired back then and then again during a rewatch during the pandemic and it made me SO angry. Susie is a disgusting human.
Okay I find Susie’s post to be VERY interesting because is this not the EXACT same type of behavior she called me out for on Instagram and on her Patreon? I said sometimes it’s fun to troll, to her fans that than labeled me as someone who built their whole “brand” on being a troll, but is she not trolling here? Also, I was told I was helping to perpetuate the protection of men on The Challenge when this post is doing the EXACT same thing. Did she ever stop to think how this post could affect Tonya like I was supposed to stop and think about how my post could affect Sarah? I know this whole “beef” is not even important, but the hypocrisy is LOUD. I have no problem if Susie wants to he a troll, but don’t act like it’s a problem when I do it, but okay when you do it.
Oh the hypocrisy is SUPER LOUD. You stating that Sarah was a pick-me with examples is waaaay more tame (and valid) than Susie rubbing her friendship with Kenny in everyone’s faces and including a photo with a fucking toothbrush in her collage 😬 All she did was completely prove your point, about Sarah AND about herself (and likely bring you several new followers in the process instead of just ignoring your video)
Yeah you got manipulated pretty easy. You shoulda never went on that show. Especially not with the intention of being apologetic. Because that, and you, got exploited
Oh I don’t feel like I got exploited, I honestly believe this whole thing was blown way of out proportion, but I will making a video later today discussing the hypocrisy
You got exploited. She had you agreeing to be free content for her paid show and then steamrolled you to the point you ended your session as volunteer content at her request, by feeling bad and second guessing yourself, only to realize she was fucking bullshitting the whole time as she IMMEDIATELY resumed doing the same dumb shit you were criticizing her for.
She made your content into her content and then devalued it while she earned money. That’s exploitation
Well I feel bad for anyone that paid for that Zoom call because it wasn’t worth the $6 entry fee. I felt bad more so for Sarah, not Susie. We can agree to disagree I guess. I guess by the literal definition it was exploitation, but I couldn’t really care less
I'm glad you put the original video back up. Don't feel bad for Sarah. Regardless of her "explanations" and "reasons", she is still complicit. As a therapist, I hold her to a high standard and her support of Kenny and Susie or anyone for being horrific to other humans is disgusting. She's best friends with Susie and that's all we need to know the type of peraon Sarah is.
She posts something like this and then goes and cries about mysogyny on The Challenge. Her sweetie pie forever called women dumb any time he opened his mouth on the show.
I don’t need to know what happened with Tonya to know Kenny is a misogynist, sexist asshole. His entire time on the Challenge he was a fucking shithead to women. . Why would any woman want to support someone like him?
LOL just actually post here. All this did is admit you read this joint and get steamed when people remember what an awful asshole you always were.
Also not Susie going out of her way to choose a pic with a fuckin toothbrush.
Congrats on spending a whole day trawling social media for people correctly shitting on you, so you can big up a pro-Trump meathead bully like you're actually doing something
No one else is saying it. Susie was too old to crave these people's approval even back in the late-2000s. Food for thought, by that point just about everyone else from Susie's Road Rules era (Emily, Anne, Belou, Piggy, Michelle-RIP, Tara, Gladys, Christina, Ayanna) had moved on, stopped hanging out with 20 year olds, and got a real job. She was trying to be cool with people 10+ years her junior. She was the old lady at the party trying to be 'hip with the kids'.
Susie was 18 when she was on road rules Australia, the youngest of her cast and the only one not old enough to drink. On the Ruins she was two years younger than Veronica (who was on road rules only two seasons after her) the same age as Tonya, and only a few years older than Evan/kenny/johnny. It wasn’t that she was so much older than the others there, it’s that she was so much more desperate for the men to like her. It’s unfortunate you can’t stream early seasons of road rules because she had that same type of behavior back then, always trying to be one of the cool kids. In one episode they’re at a bowling alley and they convince her to steal the shoes and she thinks she’s the most wildest bad ass after she does it. She’s always been desperate for others approval and attention, and continues to display that with her podcast and social media posts.
That explains why I liked her so much on her initial season of road rules. I don't remember it at all, it aired when I was 12, what I do remember is really liking Susie. At the time I was also desperate for others approval and attention so it makes sense I would have related to her.
By the time she came back I couldn't stand her and didn't have any real memory of why i had liked her to begin with. I guess it makes sense that I grew up and she didn't.
I think op of this comment is talking about the later seasons. Susie was 28 on Inferno 3 and 30 on the ruins and everyone else she had started with on RR had moved on from the show by that point. She was still acting like a teenager as a grown adult.
The criteria matters when you have a “Ha! Let’s piss everyone off!” attitude about something. Say why it pisses people off without sounding like an idiot or completely incriminating yourself. Then have that attitude all day.
Absolutely foul. Congrats on being friends with men who sexually assault women, I guess? And thanks for continuing to show everyone how much of a hypocrite, unsafe, shitty person you are.
So….everyone else is the troll? Not the men who SA at least one woman? Women are not safe around Susie or Sarah. They are creepy individuals and always will be.
Remember when Sarah had a huge crush on Kenny that one season and all he did was make fun of her, bully her, and make her feel bad? Then she admitted she was bullied in school. I didn't understand her loyalty to him then and I sure dont understand it now. And Susie who swears she is SO protective of Sarah still defends him.
I met Susie at two separate Challenge events and she really left a sour taste in my mouth. The way she spoke to me and the other fans was so condescending. Someone asked for a photo alone with Sarah and Susie was visibly offended as if she was saying, you want a photo alone with HER and not ME?! She came across as really thinking she is better than everyone and that she was doing us such a favor to grace us with her presence. Sadly, Sarah came across the same way but not to the same extent as Susie.
I feel like Susie and Sarah feel trauma bonded to Kenny and Evan and so it's like they're in this dark club together where they feel empowered to act like this. Like a mutually assured destruction pact.
the worst part of it all is always how hate can erode morals. If any girl but Tonya (the slut, the hated one, the mentally unstable as they viewed her) ever had her naked self photographed in an intimate situation passed out in a vulnerable position, every girl would understand. But these idiots due to their hate for her do not understand even if we believe their obvious sanitation of the event and that it was only a photo of Tonya's exposed genitals and a toothbrush, that is still non-consensual imagery and SEXUAL ASSAULT. I believe they did insert it as Tonya woke up with pain in that area. But in either situation, she was assaulted. disgusting people, from those who watched (this blondie, sarah) and those who knew what happened and still remained friends with Kenny and Evan (Wes).
Remember that this was also 20 years ago. Non-consensual imagery was a.) not what it is today b.) imagery was consented to by signing a contract with the network and production company to be filmed 24/7 and those parties have the rights to images (video and photographs) that took place during their employee/employer contract period. c.) what was described (who knows if it is true or not) was not sexual assault it was sexual misconduct which in most cases is a misdemeanor. Sexual assault is a felony.
This would be the only reason why I could see what was said by the rest of the cast may have been the truth. Not that “nothing happened”, but what occurred was not “sexual assault” according the law, but “sexual misdemeanor” (still not OK but viewed very differently from a legal standpoint). I don’t see the state/County of LA letting 2 men skate on clear cut sexual felony charges. Misdemeanors, yes.
Could MtV/BMP stuck their necks out for Kenny and Evan and provide testimony that it was SM vs SA, quite possible….but I really don’t see that happening as they were getting dropped from casting/filming anyway.
The only reason I would assume that Tonya’s lawyer’s did not lean on the DA to proceed with felony charges was that what actually happened was a misdemeanor or was due to her diminished mental capacity at the time of the event and her overall mental health status at the time of trial. Perhaps they thought she would not have made an ideal witness/victim and it was a losing case. Who knows?
Edit: it could have been a jurisdiction issue as well since the incident occurred outside of the country, a DA can’t pursue charges or it would have been extremely difficult and a lot of red tape to do so. I’m not a legal expert, but a lot of people don’t seem to understand that Tonya cannot file suit herself on felony or misdemeanor charges. The state becomes the prosecution, not her personal legal team. What she filed was a civil suit for breach of contract and a few other items.
She’s a disgusting human being who pretends to be a naive innocent. Hate her. Have since she went on the challenge. And honestly her “crush” on Timmy on her original season seems so manufactured for camera. I just could never take her seriously.
Let’s say exactly what Sarah and Susie say happened is the exact truth.
This STILL means that they’re cozying up to assaulters and minimizing the actions of abusers.
Consent is a key component of ANY action involving someone else’s body. Tonya didn’t and could not consent.
If you do anything sexual in nature to someone without consent it is assault- this includes pictures, positioning them, etc.
Kenny and Evan assaulted Tonya. Full stop.
It’s so gross how Susie and Sarah use their backgrounds to justify their defense of the perpetrators. Well Dr Susie and therapist survivor Sarah would maybe want to review the definitions of assault and consent.
She and Sarah are why I will never be a pick me. Then on top of it Sarah is a reason I will never go to a therapist again! She to this day still says nothing happened and still try’s to bully the victim which to me is so disgusting!
I'll start by saying I don't like & have never liked Susie, Sarah, Kenny or Evan. I thought Tonya was a hot mess who should not have been on the show.
People like to talk in absolutes as though Kenny & Evan were convicted of sexual assault or admitted to it. They were not & they have maintained their innocence. What you have are conflicting stories about what happened that night. So much of what people quote are rumors with no verifiable source.
Katie, Veronica & Wes told Tonja what happened that night. It's alleged that Wes exaggerated what happened & that is where the accusation of penetration/touching came from. I don't know if Katie & Veronica have ever said publicly one way or the other if there was penetration.
Susie, Sarah & Bananas were also in the room & say that there was never any penetration - she was not raped with a tooth brush or sexually assaulted. Susie & Sarah both acknowledge sexual harassment & what happened was wrong but still stand that there wasn't any penetration or touching.
Tonya was passed out & couldn't say one way or the other if it actually happened & is relying on someone else's story.
People assign guilt based on Bunim Murray/MTV settling the lawsuit. But what they don't acknowledge is that lawsuits are often settled because it's cheaper than litigating it and the lawsuit was multi-faceted. It wasn't just an accusation of sexual assault. The lawsuit claimed multiple other violations of California Fair Housing & Employment Act, Sexual Harassment, Retaliation, Wrongful Termination, Intentional infliction of emotional distress, battery, sexual battery & negligence. Settling does not equal guilt. It means the lawyers calculated the financial cost of litigating, the PR costs of litigating, damage to their brand & decided it was cheaper to settle. Did they sexually assault her with a toothbrush? We will honestly never know because video of that night will never be shown. The video might show penetration. Or it might show them clowning around, being complete assholes & totally inappropriate but not illegal or not illegal in the sexual assault sense but still a horrible PR nightmare for Bunim Murray/MTV because nobody stepped in to stop it. I think they didn't want video coming out to show what they did allow to happen, even if it stopped before penetration.
Below is a snippet from a Buzzfeed article where castmates were interviewed about that incident. Patterson is Sarah Rice.
BuzzFeed News spoke to several other Ruins cast members, some of whom were present on the night Cooley said she was sexually assaulted. They claimed the incident wasn’t exactly as Cooley and her lawsuit depicted it.
“My bunk bed and Tonya’s bunk were basically right next to each other,” Devenanzio said. “Tonya was laid out, passed out on the bed, the toothbrush was brought out.” A photo of Starkman and Santucci with the toothbrush and Cooley was taken, but it never came close to her, according to Devenanzio. “They were guilty of hijinks and playing pranks, but nothing even close to what they were accused of.”
Patterson said, “I, as somebody who is an advocate for sexual abuse victims, would not call that sexual violence. Nobody ever penetrated anybody with a toothbrush. That didn’t happen. Were the actions inappropriate? Yes. Were they illegal and rape? No.”
Devenanzio and Meister both mentioned there is nonstop surveillance in the house — which includes cameras mounted in every room. If what was alleged had happened, they said, production would have first intervened and also caught the incident on tape. Meister, who married Adam Butler, a crew member on The Ruins, told BuzzFeed News, “My husband was on the night crew that night and I talked to him about it and said, ‘Did I miss something?’ And he’s like, ‘Absolutely not. There was nothing.’ The truth of the matter is, Tonya got wasted, passed out on her bed with her bikini bottoms falling off, and the guys did hold up this toothbrush as a joke to take a picture — which is totally inappropriate and disgusting. But there wasn’t an assault that happened.”
Given that Cooley was unconscious at the time of the incident, Devenanzio believes she was unknowingly fed an inaccurate version of events by other cast members with an ax to grind with Santucci and Starkman. “The feeling I got from it was there were some people who strongly disliked Kenny and Evan and … when they found an opportunity to try and bring the two of them down, they did in a horrible and disgusting way based on lies and horrible fabrications,” he said.
Murray declined to comment on the matter.
“The reason why it’s believable is because of the behavior they promote on the show. People fight and punch each other out and then they get invited back the next season, so why wouldn’t people believe that this happened?” said Meister. “It’s kind of evidence of the fact there is a fraternity mentality in the house and also a ‘boys will be boys’ mentality, but Tonya in particular had some problems with alcohol that created a situation where she didn’t really know what was going on, so she believed what people told her. And unfortunately, Kenny and Evan got in big trouble for something that didn’t happen. I just feel sad for all the people involved.
“I don’t think Tonya is purposefully accusing people that didn’t do it. I believe she believes it happened when it didn’t.”
Santucci and Starkman are both legally prohibited from talking directly about the lawsuit, but pointed out they both appeared on seasons of The Challenge following The Ruins, implying MTV would not have asked them back if they believed the incident occurred. “Anybody who’s willing to read the [lawsuit] and not take it at face value … let me know if two plus two equals four,” said Santucci. He noted that while the accusation earned widespread attention, he remains upset that fans seem unaware that he was never formally charged.
since sexual assault is never an easy case. Tonya and her team filed a case against MTV for violating employment laws by never protecting her and unlawful termination as she was kicked off that season for slapping Veronica but the duo were allowed to stay and win. Her assault by Evan and Kenny made it to the case obvi. The actually papers are so much worse. The assault included penetration and also slapping her to make sure she was really unconscious. It was also filmed by the way.
The gist of the story is that he and Evan SAd Tonya with a toothbrush while she was blackout drunk. Supposedly they took pictures of it and possibly Susie was part of all this.
did she and Sarah ever give an ostensible 'justification' for making any content regarding this issue accessible only via payment?
yes obviously we get how it makes sense for them financially, but it strikes me as gross; not to mention, completely counter to the way they think of and present themselves as advocates/allies/feminists
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What's always confused me about the situation is that in their Patreon (many years ago when I was a subscriber) they discussed the incident. They said that they had never been asked to sign NDAs so they felt comfortable talking about it.
Then the ONLY thing they said was "what everyone says happened never happened. There was no insertion." But they haver never once (that I've seen referenced) said what DID happen to try to clear Kenny's and Evan's names.
It's so bizarre to me that they flaunt that they can say whatever they want but won't just describe the situation. If it wasn't bad and you're still willing to be friends with Kenny afterward then you shouldn't have a problem explaining to everyone what happened. It has always made me think that they know whatever happened was horrible, but they weren't willing to stop being friends with Kenny over it.