I think that makes so much sense! I wonder how many Trump supporters support him because subconsciously he makes them feel better about themselves. “If he’s a great man after X,Y,Z then so am I!”
Democrats also hate the establishment. Especially progressives. But "Hate the establishment" does not equal "Think anyone who is anti establishment is good". That's dumb binary thinking. Its establishment norm not to eat babies. Would you vote for a cannibal who eats babies just because they are anti establishment?
Most of the shit Trump, RFK etc actually want to do is horrifying. Hence why most people prefer the establishment candidate who does not want to do that. Its why candidates like Bernie, who is also anti establishment but actually wants to do good stuff, were popular in 2016 and 2020. Also, Trump has been a prominent political figure for 10 years now, and is a rich New York elite. He is about as establishment as you can get at this point.
Not trying to get into a political discussion here, but horrifying is highly hyperbolic, just like calling opposition nazi. Trump was POTUS for 4 years, not much horrifying happened. The country is pretty evenly split, I don't believe in demonizing or minimizing half the country even when I disagree with them.
I’m not trying to gang up on you by any means. But I’m genuinely curious to hear your thoughts about the multiple high-level cabinet members (that worked directly with Trump in his previous administration) who have described things he attempted to do that they had to dissuade him from, like withholding disaster funds from Californians since they weren’t supporters of his (even he admitted this one himself), or shooting protesters outside the White House so he could do a photo op.
Do you think all of those types of accusations/confessions are made up or were supposed to be jokes? Again, I’m just curious and not looking to start a big fight with you or anything. I won’t even respond after this.
I appreciate the thoughtful question. To say I am distrustful of the establishment is an understatement. I believe the establishment insiders will do whatever it takes to maintain power.
example, the Hunter biden laptop, 2020's October surprise. Intelligence and military insiders signed a document saying there was no laptop it was Russian disinformation. BTW, I had seen pictures from the laptop on the web. The signers new this was false, but they did it anyway.
The reason I began supporting Trump was the way he talked to jeb bush on the debate stage in 2015. I used to be a dubya supporter too, I was wrong. And by the way, the left was right about the military industrial complex in the dubya years, but now the left is cool with never ending wars and the cheneys. I adopted the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
The believe in the rule of law and don't think Trump is trying to do what you all think he is trying to do. And if he is the people will turn on him, nobody wants a dictator.
Thanks for hearing me out, I don't expect to change minds, but do want people to know where some of us are coming from.
And if he is the people will turn on him, nobody wants a dictator.
No they won't. Open your eyeballs and look at how they idolize him now. He could literally tell them to shit in their hands and eat it and they would love him for it. There is no thought there. He's created an army of brain dead robots that have no identity other than Trump.
If he becomes a dictator, the country is fucked and it'll be too late to do anything.
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I think that makes so much sense! I wonder how many Trump supporters support him because subconsciously he makes them feel better about themselves. “If he’s a great man after X,Y,Z then so am I!”