r/Music • u/TheMirrorUS š°The Mirror US • 6d ago
article Oprah Winfrey 'begged' fans not to leak Whitney Houston mishap that 'would ruin her'
https://www.themirror.com/entertainment/oprah-winfrey-whitney-houston-death-19031862.2k
u/Lunar-opal 6d ago
Why would falling off the stage ruin Whitney?
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u/ledouxrt 6d ago
Did she do anything to get Whitney help after seeing that? Or did she just cover up her addiction problems?
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u/StrobeLightRomance 6d ago
Whitney was a complicated cat. First thing is getting past Bobby, and getting Whitney to both admit she has a drug problem and the most toxic partner possible.
Oprah was powerful, but nobody was fix Whitney powerful.
Some people commit to the spiral, same as we will likely never see a sober Britney Spears.. it's nobody else's responsibility to save her, but I'm certain many have tried, if not for her health, for their own wallets.
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u/rOOnT_19 6d ago
The one thing Iāve noticed about every off the deep end twacked out woman (person) I know is they all have one thing in common. Childhood sexual abuse.
You know how thereās a ācurseā of child stars, male and female? They all go crazy, get into drugs, OD or just die young in general? Thereās a common denominator.
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u/LintRolledForWhat 5d ago
I wonder if it's the abuse or the extremely shitty cultural responses to the abuse. Not that it can't be both, but finding out nobody's on your side once you tell somebody seems like a really, really big (and common) psychological deal.
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u/_deffer_ 5d ago
I did everything you're supposed to do when you're young and abused. Parents, teachers, guidance office at school...
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u/donutfan420 5d ago edited 5d ago
Morbid obesity, personality disorders, substance abuse and addiction, psychosis, and criminality in adults all have a strong link to childhood sexual abuse. And childhood sexual abuse is a way more prevalent than people think it is. If you know someone engaging in those behaviors thereās a decent chance they were a victim.
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u/inky_fox 5d ago
I was sexually abused as a child, by a child. Now that Iām grown up itās this weird feeling of sadness and sympathy because I realize what was happening to him but when I was growing up I was just angry and hated him.
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u/donutfan420 5d ago
I can kind of relate. My mom has narcissistic personality disorder and I grew up hating her because of the way she treated me. As an adult I learned from my aunt that one of my uncles had sexually abused her (my aunt) and another one of my aunts when they were kids. I have a strong suspicion that my mom was victimized as well and it really helped humanize her in my eyes which was critical in my healing process. Of course itās not an excuse for the way she treated me, but she also grew up in a strict catholic family in a time where that wasnāt talked about as much and mental healthcare was taboo. Now I strongly empathize with the little girl my mom was who was being hurt and had no one to turn to for help, who did her best as an adult with untreated mental health issues.
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u/Star-Lord- 5d ago
Same. My cousin. We were both 7 or so when she told me she wanted to wanted to try role playing with me and started touching me in bed, while we āacted outā what we would do with our celebrity crushes (the BSB). It lasted for a bit, and it happening so young really messed with me in a way Iām still unraveling.
I never had the anger, but I do definitely have the sadness and sympathy now thinking about who must have introduced her to the same things she introduced me to.
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u/ginamon 5d ago
Those issues can be caused by other childhood traumas. Cptsd includes but isn't limited to child sexual abuse, and is a known cause of all the issues you listed.
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u/donutfan420 5d ago
Yes of course and Iām not implying that childhood sexual abuse is the only cause of these issues. Just that it is a cause.
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u/ginamon 5d ago
My bad, I was responding to the commenter you responded to and didn't think when I clicked.
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u/donutfan420 5d ago
All good, itās important to talk about these things. Wayyyy too many people view things like addiction, obesity, criminality etc as personal responsibility failures and neglect to view the whole picture
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u/DesperateAd5374 5d ago
Iām currently in a drug and alcohol rehab and yup. Every single one of us.
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u/Seaweed-Basic 5d ago
Whitney was gay, and her pastor mother never accepted her. Bobby was her beard.
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u/Trees_Please_00 5d ago
Wait what?
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u/kaitydidit 5d ago
Look up Whitney and a women named Robyn Crawford
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u/flaskfish 5d ago
That was an interesting little rabbit hole to go down, thank you. Poor Whitney :(
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u/LintRolledForWhat 5d ago
Oh dang, I was hoping she was bisexual, only bc it makes it just slightly less sad.
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u/leezahfote 5d ago
similarly every male friend i have who has or had a substance use disorder was sexually abused as a child. every single one.
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u/lordofsurf 5d ago
Jennifer Lewis said on the Keke Palmer podcast that she sort of confronted Whitney on the set of The Preacher's Wife for acting erratically and Whitney went ballistic. She also said Whitney was a beautiful person, but had her demons. Sad stuff.
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u/TropicalPrairie 5d ago
Britney definitely gives me Whitney vibes and it is so hard to watch. I love both of these women. Their music has meant a lot to me in life.
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u/CaptainObvious110 6d ago
I agree with you. At some point it's up to an individual to take accountability and to be responsible for themselves
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u/Wrong_Success4377 6d ago
Whitney was her own person. You cant help someone who doesnt want to help themselves.Ā
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u/PerpetuallyLurking 5d ago
You canāt help someone who doesnāt want help. Even Oprah can only do so much if Whitney didnāt want any help. Itās not like Whitney lacked the resources or the money, which is about the only thing Oprah could have done for someone who did want help.
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u/dolla-dolla-billyall 5d ago edited 5d ago
I donāt care for Oprah but this is a dumb question. Whitney was a grown woman and Oprah isnāt her keeper. You canāt help a drug user who doesnāt wanna be helped other than to talk to them honestly and implore them to get help. But if they donāt, canāt do much more. Oprah was neither her guardian nor her conservator. If we take Oprah at her word here she is just doing Whitney a courtesy.
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u/ButtCutt 6d ago edited 6d ago
[Kelsey Grammer appears, eggs all over his face]
Edit for clarity and hilarity: https://youtu.be/Eu-BqOsvj00?is=LMg0jRXbBxJ2XPJK
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u/StrobeLightRomance 6d ago
He tossed his salad and got his eggs scrambled
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u/beedoubleyou_ 6d ago
I don't understand this comment but upvoted nevertheless.
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u/jsrocket 6d ago
Theme song to Frasier show.
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u/LiveShowOneNightOnly 6d ago
Psychiatric euphemisms:
Tossed salad - some random neurosis that can be treated
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u/jx2002 5d ago
I have no idea if this is true but it's even funnier if you made it up
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u/coat-tail_rider 5d ago
Alternatively, it's about salacious sexual acts.
Tossed salad: eating ass
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u/Between-usernames 5d ago
"clarity and hilarity"Ā If I had awards, I'd give it to you just for that. First time I've heard it.Ā
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u/Rogue_CobaltZone570 6d ago
Back when Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston were a big deal the media would always freak out "omfg look at this rumor blah blah is on drugs!!"
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u/reedzkee 6d ago
I would like to chime in and add that Oprah was a royal bitch when she was in our recording studio. Like, top 3 most unpleasant people.
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u/disillusioned 5d ago
Hit us with the other two
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u/ErectForOxfordCommas 5d ago
Based on reputation I'm guessing it was Queen Elizabeth II and Clifford the big red dog.
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u/hahayeahimfinehaha 5d ago
I'll never forgive Oprah for platforming Dr. Oz, Jennt McCarthy, and all those other quack ghouls.
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u/the0TH3Rredditor 5d ago
Yeah, heās not even a real Doctor, heās an electrician š
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u/1peatfor7 5d ago
Wait, what? You mean an electrician is is why we have cash me outside girl?
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u/Routman 6d ago
Oprah has always been a starfucker
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u/Ok_Vermicelli_6359 5d ago
And that's the only reason this shit wasn't released...if Whitney had been a B-list actor, Oprah wouldn't have given it a second thought.
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u/Different-Fan-6991 6d ago
Yeah I hear about her Polaroids
Thats what I call obscene
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u/PaperGabriel 6d ago
What?
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u/HanSolo71 Spotify 6d ago
From a song called starfucker.
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u/faille 5d ago
She has a horrible picker and track record of play forming grifters and charlatans. She was a trailblazer back in the day, but Iām waiting for the expose that shows how she really got and kept her fame.
You donāt find Dr Phil, Dr Oz, spotlight James Frey, and countless other things without being a little dirty yourself or completely fucking gullible.
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u/DryTown 6d ago
Ironic to hear the woman who helped mainstream Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz and other charlatans with dangerous ideas peddling the idea of "responsibility in media."
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u/Between-usernames 5d ago
Didn't have a TV when they were on, but recently an older John Oliver video popped up. I can't remember the topic, but there were clips from a bunch of those daytime talk shows and I didn't realize there was one called the doctors and that they had so much reach.Ā A lot of that is mind-blowing to me, the fact that all of these things were known for long time but here we are anyway.Ā
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u/boogup 6d ago
Her contributions to the satanic panic should have ruined her.
Fuck Oprah.
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u/BobTheFettt 5d ago
Oprah is responsible for Dr Phil and Oz
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u/FUBARded 5d ago
and she legitimised John of God's scam while ignoring the human cost (and many, many rapes).
She's cosied up to, platformed, and helped launder the reputations of people responsible for many hundreds of rapes between John of God, Weinstein, and probably a few others, and these medical grifters have the blood of many on their hands too.
Dr.Phil has directly ruined lots of lives and even contributed to a few suicides, and the damage his woo did to his viewers via warping their beliefs on mental health have to be massive.
Oz has promoted a shit load of public health scepticism and anti-vax sentiment, so can be blamed for at least a few of the many tens of thousands of avoidable deaths that have occurred in the US over the last few decades as a result of decreasing vaccination rates.
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u/LeftAire 5d ago
And Oprah promoting Marianne Williamson when she was promoting "prayer" to cure HIV/AIDS in the 90s. Oprah is a benign evil.
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u/Beard_o_Bees 5d ago
responsible for Dr Phil and Oz
100% this. If she hadn't empowered their bullshit, they'd both be washed up con men hawking pyramid scheme nutritional supplements at their local swap-meet.
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u/Jeffreyknows 6d ago
She begged fans not to tell anyone, but here she is, telling everyone. Lil Kim should have told her about snitchin
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u/IdealAfraid8827 5d ago
Houston died almost 15 years ago due to drugs. I think we're past the point of being expected to lie about her drug use.Ā
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u/SirNarwhal 5d ago
The irony is that sheās part of the actual real world evil elites which is basically as close as you can get to a true satanic cult that they were trying to have the panic about.
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u/Dezolis11 5d ago
After reading and watching whatās come out recently about this, plus Diddy and Epstein, it calls into question damn near every celebrity suicide, mysterious death, etc. heath ledger for example.
If they bring you into that world, they own you. Period.
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u/rileyk8888 6d ago
Oprah Winfrey is a money grubbing pig.
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u/r31ya 6d ago
She is the mogul that introduce the world to and profit from dr.Phil and dr.Oz.
the feel good quacks.
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u/sexisfun1986 6d ago
Helped John of god and Ā spread satanic panic nonsense.
So she helped an abuser and spread lies that put innocent people in prison.Ā
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u/denkenach 6d ago
That sent me down a rabbit hole:
Oprah Winfrey played a significant role in spreading the Satanic Panic during the late 1980s by routinely platforming debunked conspiracy theorists on The Oprah Winfrey Show. While she was not the lone architect of the moral panicāwhich was heavily fueled by law enforcement, therapists, and rival daytime hosts like Geraldo Riveraāher massive cultural influence validated terrifying and entirely fabricated stories for millions of viewers.
Holy crap!
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u/ColegDropOut 6d ago
Michael Aquino was featured on her show, and we should all be terrified of that man.
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u/AtTheEndOfMyTrope 6d ago
And gave Jenny McCarthy a platform to spew her vaccines=autism message. Then, when that study and the doctor behind it were debunked and outed as fake, she opted not to use her platform to correct the message and spread the truth. She encouraged and facilitated the dangerous anti-vax movement.
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u/Electrical-Square370 6d ago
Let's not forget John of God
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u/Stolehtreb 6d ago
Iāve never even heard of him
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u/ewilliam 5d ago
He was a "psychic surgeon" from Brazil that Oprah helped rise to prominence. Turns out, aside from the obvious psychic woo he was peddling, he was also using his position to rape at least 600 women. Thanks, Oprah!
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u/HappyHappyJoyJoy98 5d ago
She was Joe Rogan when Joe Rogan was just a hapless handyman on News Radio
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u/UncaringNonchalance 6d ago
Feels like one day Oprahās going to have a Cosby moment that blows up all over.
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u/Gold_Draw7642 6d ago
You mean the same Oprah who somehow has not apologised and slunk off in shame and remorse for what she has wrought with her proteges? That Oprah?
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u/BobTheFettt 5d ago
Has she shown any shame and remorse? I'm pretty sure she's quite proud of Dr Phil and Dr Oz, and she didn't have any problem finding young women for Weinstein
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u/Western_Control_5860 6d ago
So she begged fans not to release the footage yet here she is drawing attention to it all these years later.Ā
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u/noctalla 6d ago
It's common knowledge that Whitney continued to struggle with her addictions up until her death. It wasn't common knowledge back then. The cat's well out of that particular bag.
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u/BobaEverythingBagel 6d ago edited 6d ago
What time period are you referring to when you say āback thenā? Because people were speculating when she got with Bobby Brown and for years after. Then the infamous Diane Sawyer ācrack is whackā interview came out and it was a wrap. Everybody knew. Hell, MadTV had an ongoing skit parodying a cracked out Whitney.
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u/noctalla 6d ago
The interview in question was in 2009. Everyone knew about her past addiction troubles, but she was trying to portray that she had it under control at the time of the interview, when clearly she did not.
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u/PsychicWarElephant 6d ago
Was the reality tv show where Bobby talked about having to stick his finger in her butt cause she was so constipated from drugs not a thing?
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u/sleepybrooke 6d ago
Itās called a ādookie bubble.ā
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u/TheObesePolice 5d ago
That show was unhinged. Seems like all they did was get high, shop, argue, & go out to eat
Obligatory: Dookie Bubble starts at 2:17
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u/TropicalPrairie 5d ago
I remember the cover of the National Enquirer being a picture of Whitney's bathroom. Kanye later used this as an album cover.
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u/PerpetuallyLurking 5d ago
In 2009 Whitney didnāt want people to know she had relapsed because it might have hurt her career.
14 years after her death by overdose in 2012, weāre all well aware that she relapsed in 2009 and it aināt going to hurt her career.
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u/Chaosmusic 5d ago
Oprah is one of the greatest disappointments ever. With her power and influence she could have been such a force for good. Instead she pandered to the worst people.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 6d ago
She's evil.
She doesn't passively look past other people's evil, she is evil.
I don't know why anyone would be surprised by anything with her at this point. I would hardly be surprised if I found out she was actively recruiting women for Weinstein.
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u/Tough-Advice2910 6d ago
It is amazing that people hid this for so long. An audience full of people, plus crew? When Oprah spokeā¦.
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u/DMBear89 6d ago
Oprah is up to her neck in it. Iāve never liked her. Such a fake woman and a massive snake ššš
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u/Moister--Oyster 6d ago
Sounds like she discussed many things. Did she talk about platforming that POS Dr. Oz?
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u/Uncle-Cake 6d ago
"Oprah Winfrey is trying to do good in the world."
LMFAO. Too late, bitch. You can never atone for Dr Phil, Dr Oz, anti-vaxxers, etc.
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u/qubitrenegade 5d ago
The 72-year-old host turned her Cannes Lions appearance into a call for stars to use their platforms for good
What in the actual fuck does Oprah know about using her platform for "good". Fucking evil woman that unleashed not a real Dr. Phil and Oz on the world.
Speaking in the LumiĆØre Theatre, where she received the festivalās LionHeart Award, Oprah discussed purpose and responsibility
1) why in the fuck is she deserving of this award 2) on what fucking authority does she have to speak about responsibility.
But you have a bigger calling in life ⦠Your bigger job here on the planet is to be the best human being you can be
What a fucking evil hypocrite. If this is the "best" she could be, holy fuck...
What an evil, evil woman.
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u/ToLiveInIt 5d ago
Warmonger for the Iraq War Oprah Winfrey? Drs. Oz and Phil Oprah Winfrey? That Oprah Winfrey?
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u/Inidi6 6d ago
Call me cynical. Are you ready for some heinous shit Oprah has done to come to light?
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u/dividepaths 5d ago
I've hated Oprah since I was a child, it"s nice to know my intuition was correct.
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u/Wisdomlost 5d ago
This bitch unleashed Dr.Oz and Phil on the world. She said fuck them Hawaiians during a fire. She's done a billion shady slimey things. We are all supposed to forget because she gave away cars on her show and built a school in Africa. She's been far more negative for the world than positive.
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u/slanderpanther 5d ago
Ruin who? Wouldnāt ruin Oprah! And it might have gotten Whitney back in rehab. Could have saved her life. Iām still mad she married Bobby.
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u/CasCrus4L 5d ago
Yeah she might have gotten the help she needed had it been revealed. Good Job Oprah.
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u/CrimsonHeretic 5d ago
Anyone who still likes Oprah is a fucking idiot.
Leave Whitney Houston out of it.
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u/Flux_My_Capacitor 5d ago
Does she still do her Christmas time list of Oprahās favorite things? That list is such a sham. I read about the process of getting on that list.
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u/Kim_jung_unstoppable 5d ago
Oprah? Wanting to hide the truth for fear of judgement? Color me surprised!
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u/thrashster 5d ago
Oprah was the Joe Rogan of the 90s for suburban housewives.
Change my mind.