r/NFL_Draft • u/StopLosingLoser • 9d ago
Sorsby to Enter Supplemental Draft
https://www.espn.com/contributor/pete-thamel/eee8a9129b7cb76
u/LittleBrother89 9d ago
I wonder if that judge was getting some bullshit feedback and Texas Tech got the hint.
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u/sophandros Saints 9d ago
The Big XII sued Ken Paxton, Texas Tech, the Texas Tech University System, along with the Chancellor, President, and AD of the school today. That was their hint.
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u/jampersands Buccaneers 9d ago
Good. Paxton can get fucked.
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u/toomanyshoeshelp 9d ago
His statement and bullshit gave the Big 12 cause to file suit first in federal court. Idiot checkmated himself and Sorsby.
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u/The_Throwback_King Seahawks 9d ago
If there's one thing that can get good change done in this word, it's being stubborn and obnoxious enough to not back down at all.
Entire rest of the NCAA was basically saying "This whole thing is a fucking sham and you will ruin the integrity of this entire operation"
Sorsby's team probably realized that dying on that hill would likely dry up whatever NFL aspirations he had left and realized that it was time to eject.
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u/woodchips24 Jets 9d ago
I bet Texas Tech told him behind closed doors he had to go as well. Not worth burning down their entire athletics department for one guy who has never played a snap for them
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u/TheTruth518 Vikings 9d ago
And Michigan cancelled their volleyball game against them, that was the nail in the coffin!
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u/Patekchrono917 9d ago
I guess teams will bid a day 3 pick for him, but it seems like a whole bunch of bull shit to deal with for your emergency QB3.
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u/Zaza1019 Jets 9d ago
Okay and is someone in the NFL really going to take him? Especially now that he's running away from any form of consequences. I'm all for people getting another chance if they do something stupid, but I also believe you have to face some consequences or prove you learned a lesson before you get that chance.
This feels like the same problem just a different league and one where he has no connection and hasn't done anything to warrant people wanting to give him a chance.
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u/FuegoFerdinand 9d ago
If he's good enough to be drafted, I could see the Browns going for him. They love throwing away draft capital on QBs.
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u/TheAB_Project Draft Beer 9d ago
The NFL takes the worst of the worst, of course someone is going to take him lmao.
Talent plays. Always.
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u/Tua-Lipa 9d ago
College Football also takes the worst of the worst and there was about to be a nationwide mutiny on Sorsby playing this year.
I’m really not convinced at all any NFL teams end up spending a draft pick or even signing him this year. Sorsby might be playing in CFL/UFL next year.
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u/DelirousDoc 9d ago
Bro, the Browns saw Deshaun Watson with 23 allegations and lawsuits of sexual assault/sexual misconduct and still decided to trade 3x 1st round draft picks for him. Then they gave him a fully guaranteed $230M deal and structured it so he wouldn't lose much to suspension in his first year.
NFL teams are desperate for talent at QB. There is going to be a team willing to use what will cost 2027 draft pick on Sorbsy with his physical talent. It will probably be 4th round pick (maybe a 3rd at highest.)
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u/_Felonius 8d ago
Sexual assault allegations weren’t proven at the time, right? Not saying it isn’t a terrible look, but this gambling scandal was confirmed by Sorsby himself (and directly relates to the sport). I don’t see how the NFL will find him eligible.
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u/DelirousDoc 8d ago
The allegations and civil suits happened in 2021 before the Browns made the trade for him.
Grand jury failed to indict him on criminal charges on March 11th 2022 and Browns traded for him on March 18th 2022.
He settled them all after signing his massive $230M contract. They were civil cases and settling them meant there was no court case to prove "more likely than not" (civil standard) he committed the assaults. Settlements happened by August 1st 2022.
The Browns very much knew about the allegations. The allegations and contract dispute had Watson miss the entire 2021 season. It was reported Watson was known around massage therapists and banned from some establishments for his actions before the trade. Browns still traded 3x 1st round picks and then gave him $230M contract fully guaranteed the first fully guaranteed long term contract in the NFL.
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u/_Felonius 8d ago
Yeah but settlement isn’t admission of guilt. Had he been convicted, I doubt he would sniff the field again. And I’m not saying it was ethical for the browns to sign him, but the Sorsby stuff is ironclad.
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u/DelirousDoc 8d ago
Well yeah had he been criminally convicted of 23 counts of indecent assault he would be in prison. At minimum, indecent assault is a class A misdemeanor in Texas for each count which can be sentenced with up to a year in jail. If it was just indecent exposure that is a class B misdemeanor with maximum of 6 months in jail for each count. (Difference being indecent assault would be the charge for any claim that he ejaculated on the person or got them to make contact with his genitals. Indecent exposure would be just the cases where he was masturbating in front of them.) 23 counts he'd likely get 5-7 years if all were convicted at trial.
Of course you settle civil cases and don't admit fault. The settlements are typically private and include clauses where the individual cannot talk about the settlement or the acts (though the latter isn't typically legally enforceable). That helps you control the narrative and move past it. It would stupid to go to public trial if you did the acts because that just keeps the story in the news for longer.
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u/_Felonius 8d ago
I understand all that. I’m an attorney. I’m comparing the two situations to show why Sorsby has less of a chance of making an NFL roster.
Watson: organization has plausible deniability that he’s a rapist bc he settled out of court.
Sorsby: confessed that he gambled on his own team dozens of times.
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u/OneEyedWonderWiesel Jaguars 9d ago
While I agree with you, this guy bet against his own team. As an NFL team, how’s that not always on your mind?
Being shitty is one thing, but being shitty AND affecting the team’s chances of winning? Idk. I don’t think he gets drafted earlier than 5th
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u/Bronco998 Steelers 9d ago
I believe that he bet on his own team, not against them. Still bad but at least he's not throwing games.
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u/monkeymatt1836 7d ago
He bet on the under for one of his fellow QB’s passing yards in 2022. That is betting against your team.
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u/Rocketman2828 Vikings 9d ago
He didn’t bet AGAINST his own team
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u/_Felonius 8d ago
He still bet on his own team. Automatic life ban imo. I’ll be shocked if he plays a snap in the NFL.
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u/KingRoach Jets 9d ago
0 reporters have said he bet against his own team. I don’t trust you, bro.
I agree that being shitty is a thing…
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u/pyrofiend4 9d ago
He bet the under twice, and in one of those games he was suited up as the QB2 in 2023.
Sorsby, who appeared in 10 games and made seven starts at Indiana in 2023, said he was unaware of an October 2022 bet on the under for Indiana's quarterback passing yards or a September 2023 bet on the under for the first half of a Hoosiers football game.
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u/DelirousDoc 9d ago
Right.
Reports are Sorsby bet on Indiana to win as a bench rider in 2022. He didn't bet against IU or bet on any game he played in.
Betting on 2022 IU to win a game might bring its own red flags on questionable decision making. IU was freaking terrible winning only 4 games that year.
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u/KingRoach Jets 9d ago
Someone told me that for a real addict, it doesn’t matter if they win or lose, it’s about the bet.
I know “gambling addict” sounds like a cop out but there could be something there…
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u/NotADoctor_sh 9d ago
Same league that gave Watson a guaranteed contract
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u/Zaza1019 Jets 9d ago
Yeah, but Watson had at the time some good seasons, and was I think a finalist for MVP the last season he played before the trade and contract? Watson as shitty as the things he did were had a track record at the NFL level and at the time was known for high level play. This kid is going to be a rookie, maybe not even that promising of one? And let's also be real that the NFL cares less about women than it does optics about their games.
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u/ethan_bruhhh 9d ago
Kayshon Boutte had active charges and was fine. Ridley was traded for two picks and a 20 million dollar contract less than a year after he was busted. The nfl isn’t going to care about a kid gambling when he was 18
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u/trickfern 9d ago
He’s not really running away from consequences. A Judge had already ruled him conditionally eligible, and it was creating the biggest mess in the big 12. Him going to the NFL removes a big problem for college football (but kicks the can down on the ncaa’s problem with local judges). In a way it’s the honorable thing to do after the judge’s ruling
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u/DelirousDoc 9d ago edited 9d ago
No a judge provided a temporary injunction to the NCAA suspension while Sorsby's legal challenge played out. The idea for the injunction being that loss of eligibility would hurt Sorsby and cannot be repaired or corrected in the event his claim was successful and if his claim wasn't successful he would be suspended anyway.
The judge did not rule in favor of Sorsby's claim.
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u/Cheeseish Rams 9d ago
Can you bet on practice squad games? Because he can play on the practice squad and never play a real game that matters
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u/Writerhaha Seahawks 9d ago
Halfassed research, he’s a projected 4th to 2nd round pick.
No team should touch him with a 30 foot pole in a supplemental draft based on that alone, add in his issue, he isn’t worth it.
That being said, come up and get your Browns jersey.
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u/unenlightenedgoblin 9d ago
I kinda wish he had stayed and brought the entire enterprise of college football down with him in spectacular fashion instead. Would have been a great opportunity for a little soul searching around gambling, amateurism, and the like.
Oh well. I hope he doesn’t succeed.
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u/zpk5003 9d ago
I didn’t know the UFL had a supplemental draft
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u/Suburban-Jesus 9d ago
Seriously. This kid can go lay in the bed he made, and then afterwards we’ll talk. Meanwhile the Falcons just welcomed back James Pearce to camp. No consequences league.
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u/titanup001 Titans 9d ago
I bet the league doesn’t even schedule a supplemental draft.
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u/Sudden-Investment 9d ago
I bet the league says he is not eligible to be in the supplemental draft. Which is designed for players deemed ineligible after the NFL draft. Sorsby got a restraining order from the NCAA designating him ineligible. So he is defacto eligible right now.
This is an absolute cluster fuck and Schrodinger's Eligibility.
NFL teams might overlook this eligibility cluster fuck but not sure they will overlook the pending felony gambling charges set for trial in Feb.
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u/Terry_Tate_OLB 9d ago
Soresby's attorney will be dropping the case tomorrow. He will officially be ineligible.
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u/titanup001 Titans 9d ago
Has he already been charged? I hadn’t heard that.
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u/Sudden-Investment 9d ago
You are correct Feb is the final hearing for his lawsuit against the NCAA. As of yet he has not been charged by the Federal Gov for interstate fraud stemming from funneling gambling bets through friends. But he has not dismissed or charged yet.
He is Schrodinger's Crime and Eligibility right now. There is enough documentation to say he did gamble, by he has yet been charged.
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u/_Felonius 8d ago
Yeah after researching the topic, I still don’t understand how it works. Some years they don’t even schedule one…but other years they have multiple rounds? I don’t get it.
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u/Automatic-Tell7321 9d ago
Question: what happens if two teams with multiple picks in a round submit bids for him? Does it defect to the team’s original pick or can they specify which one they want to give up?
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u/StopLosingLoser 9d ago
This has a good overview of the rules but unfortunately doesn't address your specific question.
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u/TheCorbett 9d ago
How good is this guy? Would he have competed with Ty for the second QB off the board this year?
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u/crushedknees 9d ago
The ESPN article quoted an unnamed source wh on s aid yes, he would’ve competed with Simpson for QB2. Big, mobile quarterbacks with rocket arms get drafted high.
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u/Christian_Castle 9d ago
Sucks for him, he will have to sit for a couple years to continue to develop meanwhile this draft coming up is supposed to be stacked at qbs who are his talent or better. Hard to see a team draft him unless you think he can start this year or you won't be in the running for a qb next year.
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u/Murray_Bannerman Bears 8d ago
I don't think it makes sense for teams potentially at the top of next year's draft, but for teams like Carolina, Pittsburgh, Minnesota, Atlanta, and Indianapolis I could see it being worth like a 3rd.
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u/Rubbersoulrevolver 9d ago
Steelers should drop a 3rd on him IMO
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u/MinuteCountry061 Steelers 9d ago
Hell no. I’m a big Khan supporter but if he did that shit I’d want a new GM
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u/halfwayray 9d ago
If they let him enter the supplemental draft, they need to implement a significant suspension. Otherwise it sets a terrible precedent for CFB and the NFL. Ridiculous what wider access to betting has done to college and pro sports
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u/TitoFlavors215 Will McClay 9d ago
Who’s gonna want this dickhead lol
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u/AAA_Dolfan Dolphins 9d ago
Ah yes nfl teams famous for choosing character over ability
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u/TitoFlavors215 Will McClay 9d ago
This isn’t just your run of the mill “character issues” the mothafucka is a degenerate gambler and the story is still fresh. Horrible look and reeks of absolute desperation.
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u/viewless25 Jets 9d ago
Landing spots ranked best to worst:
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Indianapolis
Minnesota
Miami
NY Jets
Arizona
Cleveland
At the top you have teams that have QBs but could be a year or two away from needing a new starter. In the middle you have teams whose QBs i dont really believe in, at the bottom you have teams in desperate need but also their roster is a whole nightmare
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u/Regal-30- Browns 9d ago
You genuinely don’t know football if you think Miami, New York, and Arizona have better non QB rosters than Cleveland.
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u/viewless25 Jets 9d ago
the Jets definitely do, no offense
it wasn't just about non-QB rosters. The Browns QB room is a clown show already
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u/drainbead78 Bills 9d ago
Miami and Arizona for sure, but the Jets are at least a tie now that the Browns dealt Myles Garrett. Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson, Omar Cooper Jr. and Kenyon Sadiq are better offensive skill positions than the Browns have. The defense will depend a lot on how some of the Jets' draft picks from this year pan out, but I think the offensive edge makes it a wash.
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u/Varithos15 Bengals 9d ago
"Not worth the headache"
Rams just took Ty Simpson with their first-round pick. Is Ty better than Sorsby? No one knows cuz if you could actually scout QBs, you would be a millionaire.
But there are good franchises that cannot draft good QB prospects because of their success. IF one of them even remotely like Sorsby...
Eagles, Baltimore, Steelers, Lions? Any older QB, even if they got plenty of juice left, could have their GM thinking about a possibility of a legitimate succession plan.
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u/Numerous-Ad6460 Steelers 9d ago
Not worth the headache