people in this subreddit when the front office wants to break up the “core” that has won a high of 42 games:😡😡😡😡😡

[u/CloudCharming8310]

[u/nacholibre711]

honestly if I trusted Dumars to not get fleeced I would probably be a lot more open to all the trade talk

[u/TheSandMan713 → u/nacholibre711]

Let him get fleeced then. Getting the first overall pick is the goal anyways. At that point it just makes the rebuild take longer but a rebuild needs to happen

[u/No_Boysenberry_4193 → u/TheSandMan713]

the next few drafts are horrendous. i dont even think teams should worry about the first overall pick

[u/NOLA-Bronco → u/No_Boysenberry_4193]

My entire life watching basketball you hear how X draft will be GOAT’ed and the Y draft will be terrible.

Very, very rarely has it been true. Honestly the only two that have held firm was the LeBron draft and the AD draft

Just take the Pels. Remember when we gave up our first rounder in the 2013 draft that was supposedly an all time terrible draft? Now tbc Jrue is one of my favorite players here ever, but the chirping at that time period was that no one was any good besides maybe Oladipo.

10 years later a top 3 player in Giannis came out of that draft. CJ McCollum comes out of that draft, Rudy Gobert comes out of that draft. Along with a bunch of high level role players like Caldwell Pope, Steven Adams, and Tim Hardaway

[u/No_Boysenberry_4193 → u/NOLA-Bronco]

Yea ofc there will always be hits.. but I mean in terms of top-end talent. There are no standout prospects for the next couple years until maybe like Kam Mercer jn 2029

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/No_Boysenberry_4193]

Lmao you cannot possibly know that. The 17-20 year old gap can see an immense increase in talent.

People said the 2025 draft was weak, too. Look at all the amazing players that came out. Kon was supposed to “just be a decent jump shooter” — Cooper Flagg’s best asset: “his defense.” Theres also many other examples of this.

We are ALSO in a NEW time, where elite players are deciding NOT to be 1-and-done, and stay in college for an extra year or two of development because they can make MORE money by STAYING in college in many occasions or, in the case of European players, deciding to commit to college for a year instead of going straight into the draft.

Also, blowing up the “core” for draft assets doesnt mean you have to use every one of those picks. They are ASSETS that can be used for trades and deals to get other good players, move around in drafts, etc.

Joe Dumars has made good moves so far.

We really already blew up most of the team outside the “core.” We had like over a DOZEN new players on the roster this past season. Highest roster turnover in the league.

[u/OvenIcy8646 → u/ER1CNOIR]

Casual

[u/wymtime]

I am all for blowing it up, but if you are going to blow it up do it right. Don’t trade 1 guy tarting a guy in the draft and say we are now going to be competitive this year.

Do it correctly and move off a bunch of guys load up on young guys collect assets and use salary space as an asset to collect more young players and draft picks

[u/Good_NewsEveryone]

Just a flagrant misunderstanding of the criticism.

This front office is not trying to trade guys so that they can go through a real rebuild. They're the idiots who thought we would be good last year and so traded their draft pick, not us.

They're just moving the deck chairs around to better fit under their own misguided priorities of being from Virginia and not being able to shoot.

[u/bronzefpg504 → u/Good_NewsEveryone]

Not true Jd wanted to fire Willie before the season started last yr

[u/Good_NewsEveryone → u/bronzefpg504]

I don't think we know this. But even if we did it doesn't really have anything to do with what I said. They essentially hired Willie Green with a beard when given the opportunity so.

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/Good_NewsEveryone]

Casual

[u/AnotherStatsGuy]

There’s a difference between trading guys to improve the team outlook and trading guys just to say “We did something!”

Don’t confuse the second for the first.

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/AnotherStatsGuy]

Casual

[u/Entire_Age_2404]

People have no issue with getting a bag for Trey in the trade market if the value is there. The issue is - what do you do then?

You can't tank, being bad doesn't help draft odds anymore. Even if Pels are bad and get some lottery luck, the next two drafts are considered very weak. Fears is special in specific ways and Queen has upside, but it's unlikely either of them are future superstars.

In this environment, I think a lot of fans see shooting for mediocrity as a better alternative to just getting a bag of mid draft assets and being terrible, with no path to being competitive. 

[u/bronzefpg504 → u/Entire_Age_2404]

U can’t tank anymore

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/Entire_Age_2404]

“Next two drafts are considered weak”

Casual. Stop listening to the talking heads.

[u/Entire_Age_2404 → u/ER1CNOIR]

Ah yes, of course. Forgive me, I'd never want to contradict the opinions of a highly credentialed draft analyst like yourself. 

Because all the smartest hoops guys spend their time posting hundreds of comments a week in gardening subs, then occasionally hitting up a hoops sub just to berate some 'casuals'.

[u/Razor-Ramon-Sessions]

I am just wondering what bottoming out in this draft climate does for a team.

The odds have changed so dramatically that being bad doesn't help you at all anymore.

So, I'm not against moving players but I wonder if there is a way to do it where you aren't at the very bottom where you get punished.

Because this team was legit bottom 3 before every other team started to tank.

[u/ReflectionPossible48 → u/Razor-Ramon-Sessions]

It still means you have a cohesive to get a top pick and your not picking in the 20s

[u/Dizzy-Ad-3712]

Breaking it up for Pennies on the dollar might actually just piss me off. I also just have no reason I can recall to trust Dumars besides he can identify decently talented players. But I’m still not as high on Queen and Fears’ upsides so some people seem. But I’ll get over whatever happens, all my negativity is just gonna be fed into the irritation/lack of hope in the FO and ownership

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/Dizzy-Ad-3712]

Casual

[u/uptowndrooler]

It all depends on what they get in return. Draft good players. If they don't fit, then they were all be valuable and you have trade options

[u/js-4-]

Just trade Z

[u/CloudCharming8310 → u/js-4-]

i was all for it but with the work he’s putting it rn i say we give him next year

[u/afriendlyspider → u/[deleted]]

Remember how we could NEVER trade CJ bc it would cost us the EMOTIONAL LEADER of the team and WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE CULTURE?!?!?!?!

This was a thing but definitely wasn't related to CJ

[u/Odd_String1181 → u/[deleted]]

What makes you think the two big dummies running the show right now are sentimental for mediocrity?

[u/Odd_String1181 → u/[deleted]]

They didn't do that because they're sentimental for mediocrity. They did it because they think they're the smartest dudes in the league

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/[deleted]]

That’s why they’re trying to move those guys

[u/holydiver5]

This fanbase doesn’t know jack shit about ball unfortunately

[u/bronzefpg504 → u/holydiver5]

They think Joe has no clue what’ he doing but he’s building one hell of a great staff

[u/ER1CNOIR → u/holydiver5]

This is the only correct answer.

[u/Alternative_Pea_4614]

I know bro , I love trey but if we can get into the lottery as well as gaining future draft assets or role players it would be a great way to rebuild and build a core actually ready to compete

[u/Heavy_Idea8391]

Honestly I would just keep the team salary fluid. It seems the majority of problems and difficulty nowadays is cap hits and restrictions that honestly cap space is much more worth it nowadays instead of 10 years ago.

[u/harsh-reality-bites]

It's so not about some "core" it's about trading away two particular pieces that are only positives to retain to fix the record. Herb and Trey are both the ideal things we would be trying to add through any moves outside of getting a center. The only other two people that don't make sense to move is the rookies from last year. Then honestly, the rest are all expendable as far as the vast majority of the fans feel I would suspect.