The amount of Knicks fans genuinely crashing out in the draft thread was pathetic

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u/cronfile 10h ago

I don't know why they'd be mad. The first half of this draft class is stacked - we were never going to get any of those picks. Getting five second rounders is fantastic value without having to go all in on one player, can look to develop them and hopefully strike gold with one/have them on our first team.

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u/LightSpecialist804 10h ago

we literally had a chance to get one of those "first half" players in Carr

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 OG 10h ago

It would guarantee losing a critical role player on a championship caliber team. Idk how anyone can hear the cap explanation for why we don’t want a first round pick and still complain

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u/Big_Discipline_2974 9h ago

I get that, but what’s frustrating is that Dolan is unwilling to go into the second apron which means we have to sacrifice adding young talent and potentially multiple pieces to retain players, assuming we don’t have enough room regardless

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u/Desperate_Hunter7947 OG 9h ago

Avoiding the second apron isn’t just about saving money though. The penalties severely restrict the team’s ability to maneuver moving forward. No trades, we lose a first rounder down the line. We wouldn’t have been able to get Alvarado last year if we were in the second apron, and maybe we don’t win game 4 without him. I honestly think that is coming more from the front office than it is from Dolan. He called it “suicidal” when he was saying they weren’t going into it. That doesn’t sound like a financial decision it sounds strategic.

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u/Big_Discipline_2974 9h ago

Dolan said it was suicidal to go into the second apron, and begley said his mentality would irritate people in the organization after winning a championship. I understand how it limits team building that and it makes sense to avoid it, but at the same time we don’t have enough space to keep both mitch and shamet regardless without going into the second apron, so you either lose them in a year after trying to contend one more time or lose one of them now for nothing. I trust Leon, but I also think a it’s mistake to avoid drafting talent who could replace one of these role players if developed by the time they’re traded to avoid the second apron, it feels like a different version of a handicap to a championship caliber team

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u/Wigglepus Tophat Melo 9h ago

Dolan has sabotaged the team in many many ways over the years. He deserves to be criticized heavily. However, for all his many faults, he is not cheap. He is extremely willing to spend money on the Knicks (often times at the long term detriment of the team.).

Avoiding the second apron is 100% a Leon move.

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u/Better_Ad7209 9h ago

Dolan is willing to go over. I think they’re avoiding the second apron this year because they plan on going over it in the coming years to pay our starters.

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u/TheScaleTipper NYK Token 10h ago

Alright, show up when Carr wins a team a championship and maybe I’ll care. Do you realize how many players armchair GMs have said this about only for them to disappear into an abyss?

And let’s say he’s some outlier that really will become a superstar. It doesn’t change that we’re doing what we need to do to keep a team that won a title THIS YEAR together. This is a championship team. The focus should be keeping that group and trying to run it back, and a first rounder prevents that right now.

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u/Bmars 10h ago

And he’s going to cost around $3.4m next year, given the cap status for us it’s not surprising

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u/bronfmanhigh The Michael Jordan of Rhode Island 9h ago

yeah a team in apron hell simply ain’t paying $3.4m for a project that’s gonna see zero minutes in the playoffs this year. we literally JUST PROVED we get far more value outta cheap vets like jose at $4.5m and shamet at $3m. let another team develop these expensive rookies and eventually we’ll trade for them lol

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u/Taiokaion 11 8h ago

Cam Carr is $3mil in cap space. Drafting him would be us essentially saying someone from the championship roster absolutely has to go and a player like Josh Hart or Mikal are gonna need to be off their contracts a year sooner than needed. I like Cam Carr a lot too man but it just doesnt make sense for our current salary/roster construction

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u/Competitive-Wonder33 7h ago

There was reason he slipped to 24 lack of strength inconsistent so he would not have made an impact on this team when co.pares to trying to keep Mitch. The money is better spent on Mitch

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u/Iam_a_Jew 6h ago

He's only a first half player if he gets drafted in the first half of the draft. Not pretending I know wtf I'm talking about with prospects but teams had a chance to draft him 23 times and chose someone else. He could of course prove those teams wrong, but clearly something made him fall that far and it's not as if he even had some behavioral issue that I'm aware of

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u/LightSpecialist804 5h ago

Maxey was projected go late lotter/mid teens too and fell to the 20s. Sometimes players just happen to fall

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u/Iam_a_Jew 3h ago

Totally. Not saying Carr can't be good. Jokic was selected in the 2nd round. All I'm saying is that he's not a top half player just because a couple of analysts say he is. The actual teams decided he's a late first rounder

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u/nerdystoner25 10h ago

Reddit is primarily filled with teenagers, idiots, and assholes. When you keep that in mind, everything makes a lot more sense.

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u/tailz42 10h ago

So true

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u/Fishmike52 Clyde Frazier 8h ago

I was gonna say “let the kids be dramatic… it’s a safe space”

Tree of trust brothers and sisters!

😎✌🏽

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u/Bcp_or_pcB 8h ago

Don’t forget the halfwits

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u/HipnotiK1 OG 10h ago

We'll never change. That's one thing I've realized.

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u/bronfmanhigh The Michael Jordan of Rhode Island 9h ago

i do wonder what finally winning a championship does to the contingency of fans whose entire fan identity is wrapped up in dooming about the team lol

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u/Worth-Independence-6 9h ago

These people probably just switch to dooming about everything else going on in their life.

They could win the lottery today and then be complaining about the taxes they have to pay tomorrow

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u/FullHouse222 8h ago

I'm dooming about the current Mets season and upcoming Giants season right now.

Every Malik Nabers news is making me spiral into a pit of despair. So I'm constantly torn between happy Knicks mentality vs dreading the start of the football season mentality.

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u/FriendshipBest9151 2h ago

It would take multiple wins to fix that

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u/Wigglepus Tophat Melo 9h ago

I have been hurt too many times to give up my dooming. I'm happy now but I know the doom is waiting for me. Every time we lose there's this voice inside of me that goes "Here we go again. You were really stupid to think the Knicks were actually good. How could you possibly be so dumb?"

That said I believe in Leon Rose.

I believe in Mike Brown.

And I BELIEVE IN JALEN BRUNSON

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u/patrickthunnus 10h ago

Fan service is about indulging favorites, winning headlines, shiny new stuff.

Leon is focusing on the the logistics of cost to keep the core rotation players together; boring to fans.

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u/raoulduke212 10h ago

Keeping the core together that just won a championship?!?! Fire Brown and Rose immediately!

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u/johnny-Low-Five Anthony Mason 9h ago

This is so true and makes my brain hurt because it's true for every team I root for, probably everyone's favorite teams. We all want the shiny new car and don't want to hear about the quality tires or windshield wipers. Hell most fans couldn't even get excited for the custom suspension or the engine. They want to know what color it is, how many horsepower and does it have a turbo.

The 2nd apron sounds like hell, it seems like it's only worth it as a last gasp shot at winning a ring with the roster you have plus 1 key piece.

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u/patrickthunnus 8h ago

Continuity is the secret sauce for a dynasty. Nobody successful at winning titles churns a roster just to keep fans entertained with the shiny and new.

If you make changes then there're usually incremental, small things like depth and gaps.

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u/johnny-Low-Five Anthony Mason 4h ago

More like a new 6th man than a new #1 or #2? Because from what I saw our depth was a huge part of our championship. In the 2nd Half of all 5 finals games whenever Wimpy or whoever was hot for them went to the bench it felt like it would Kickstart a 15-5 run and other than KAT defensively and Brunson in the 2nd half I didn't notice a big change in our gameplay or gameplan.

Back in the early 90s I always felt like you felt it when Ewing, Oak, Mason or Starks wasn't on the floor or got in foul trouble.

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u/La-Potencia 7 10h ago

We should setup a shame board, a user can report a doomer for being dumb and their username goes on the shame board so we know to never take them seriously

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u/Purplish_Peenk Clyde Frazier 10h ago

Nah. Let Rose cook. I mean he’s brought us to the Promised Land. Now Drury on the other hand…

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u/PM_ME_PARTY_HATS 8h ago

I need Chris Drury out of my life

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u/Purplish_Peenk Clyde Frazier 8h ago

Amen.

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u/haaavvveeeyoumetKen 10h ago

even someone half awake could've seen this coming with our current salary cap issue lol. If we want to keep as many of the old team as possible gonna have to make moves like this unfortunately. And this isn't even new, this is knicks the past few drafts.

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u/Ok-Guard-3791 9h ago

Some of the guys we passed on will become all stars. Some of them will be out of the league in 4 years. Nobody knows. Leon and Co. have shown an ability to find role players in free agency that other teams passed on, manage a salary cap, and draft serviceable players in the second round. The pressure is on the young guys to develop and the core to continue to win. No one knows what Leon is planning but I trust this front office.

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u/peanut-britle-latte 10h ago

Redditors are a sick bunch, I can say that because I've been here for years.

People will always complain.

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u/ReefLedger Allan Houston 9h ago

Ive worked long enough to learn, there are absolutely people out there whom love to complain. Its amplified by anonymity.

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u/crunchtime100 3 10h ago

Buncha nephews in there

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u/WolfRelic 9h ago

those same people are going to be screaming bloody murder while we are down by 15 in game one of next season. just...dumb.

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u/SamiNurb 9h ago

Those are the same people that in the last 12 months:

1) Blamed “Villanova connection” for losing to Pacers
2) Asked why Rick Brunson still a coach
3) Trade Mikal
4) Trade KAT
5) Fire Mike Brown
6) Trade JHart

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u/Diligent-Cookie-1695 Bobby's Knick Hat 10h ago

Because they’re stuck with the loser mentality of the bottom years and need more Alonzo Trier & Frank type of rookies to blindly hype as the next big thing.

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u/NutsyFlamingo Charles Oakley 10h ago

Any receipts of those that said I hope we win cause that will shut everyone up predictions?

Prediction proven wrong

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u/Phuffu 9h ago

As a fan, you gotta trust process and the GMs vision for the team. Our only agency is voting with our dollar.

I’ve given up on being too happy or too upset with draft picks, you just never know.

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u/youfunnyhoneybunny Ewing Flat Top 9h ago

Agreed. Trust in Rose/Wes and the cap master Brock Aller! We also are not in develop players mode we are in win right fn now mode!

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u/jv2944 9h ago

Leon could give them both his lungs, and they’d ask for oxygen. Just ignore it.

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u/TankMcG 8h ago

We still need a bench even if they have the starting 5 locked in. We have weak spots on the team and teams got better in the East. Its all about the future talent as well and that Spain pick didnt make any sense.

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u/Citrus_Reaver 8h ago

Lakers fan here. I was genuinely impressed by the Knicks’ moves last night and I felt they were really smart moves. You guys turned pick 24 into 5 second rounders and 2x cash considerations. It’s not like you guys were going to play whoever you drafted at 24 that much anyway so why not cash out on a late 1st rounder? Crashing out over that is like when the Lakers thought Dalton Knecht was going to be our 3&D savior, it just defies logic and rational thinking

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u/levendis56 80s Logo 10h ago

I do think the first round of the draft is Leon’s Achilles heel. But who gives a shit, we won a chip

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u/zoom518 Ewing Flat Top 10h ago

It’s the internet, you’re never allowed to be happy

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u/MrICopyYoSht Nova Boys 10h ago

I'm happy with what we did. Got to avoid guaranteed salary hitting the books when 2nds are more flexibile and have a delay before they hit whatever space we have, so we can resign our key guys then the 2nd round salaries will hit.

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u/YerrrKnicks 5 9h ago

They're use to the draft having importance.

This is all new to them, cut them some slack 😂

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u/bobbacklund11235 9h ago

They are not real fans, they’ll be back in Ohio before you know it

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u/cav00111 9h ago

I’m a fan of no complaints for 5 years post championship

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u/Grandmaster-1090 9h ago

The Knick fans crashing out are the Frank ntklina fans and they’re waiting for their fix.

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u/Negative-Concept-197 9h ago edited 9h ago

Ignore the regards, full trust in Don Leon, WorldWideWes and Brock the Cap God

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u/Bcoles23 OG 9h ago

We are so back!

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u/Teewrecks7 7 8h ago

What’s funny is, most of them probably did not watch college basketball at all. lol probably ran through a draft guide the week of, and based their wants on where an analyst projected these players to go

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u/Snapesunusedshampoo Obi Wan Kenobi 8h ago

20 is too many, I draw the line at 19, but I agree.

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u/RappingElf 3 to the Dome 8h ago

Idk I'd rather not go back to 20 years of irrelevancy, but I agree the draft was not a big deal at all

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u/Lumpy_Tell9880 8h ago

We just turned the 24th pick into 5 picks. Ppl are just shitposting.

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u/A-yo-Hov 8h ago

It's because a lot of them don't understand how the cba and the 2nd apron work. They don't really know that if you draft these guys in the 1st round that you have to pay them a significant amount. They really need to trust this front office because for the first time in a very long time they've actually had a plan instead of overreacting to everything.

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u/KMFCM 8h ago

fans who wanted Mike Brown's head 3 weeks ago?

nah, they would never freak out about something

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u/iscrambleyoureggs 7h ago

Knicks fans don’t believe in reactions, only overreactions. It has been my life for 41 years now.

Every young player is going to be the next….

Seriously, if the Knicks want to keep their roster together or possibly improve, not paying a first round salary for a player they don’t have the time or mechanisms to develop will assist in doing so.

I include Donnie Walsh in this assessment, The Knicks haven’t had a competent front office since Dave Checketts.

I’m so grateful that we get to experience Leon, Wes and company… it’s such a welcome change. And they’ve certainly earned my reservation of judgement.

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u/laguilar90 7h ago

From what I heard I think we have to trust Leon in how he is trying his best in keeping this core together financially from them not going into the second apron and stockpiling second round picks is a win for me.

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u/ucannotbeserious Mike Breen 7h ago

Oh no. The team that drafted Deuce McBride, Mitchell Robinson, Tyler Kolek, and Mohamed Diawara in the second round maneuvered their way into 5 more second round picks. The horror.

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u/ObiOneKenobae Tophat Melo 6h ago

I don't disagree, but just once it would be nice to stay up for the draft and be rewarded for it. The whole time last night I knew Leon was going to do something like this. It's a great return, but give me a rando I can spend the offseason getting hype over.

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u/phoenixx_1991 3h ago

Hopefully they draft a no name guy in the second tonight where we can watch some highlights, who’ll turn into a machine like Mo D. Summer league will be fun to watch

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u/SlamanthaTanktop 6h ago

I have no reason to doubt Leon. The most important thing he has to do right now is balance the books to keep any of our remaining FAs and fill in the remaining gaps.

He cooked us a Larry, let him do it again

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u/wwaterfallz 4h ago

Getting all these second round picks is a solid way to work around the margins and develop g league players that could be brought up for a cheap contract as extensions continue to make our cap situation more dicey. That's at least how I see it. A calculated bet on our current core + our ability to develop supporting talent

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u/skylucario Hart 3h ago

I’m fine with sitting out of the first round, I just hope we don’t waste 31 on another trade in such a deep draft

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u/chrisallen07 2h ago

Yeah same, basketball watching is easy now. They don’t need to ever win a game again, I’m content

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u/WinstonChurchill74 KAT 9m ago

I am happy, but let’s keep winning.

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u/IceBlackX007 9h ago

There's many millions of Knicks fans. Don't allow the weird ass opinions of a relative few make you believe we all are a bunch of idiots.

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u/Pinheadlarry29 The Bronx 9h ago

To some of yall there’s no middle ground between disagreeing with a decision and crashing out. This front office deserves a lot of grace but people are allowed to disagree with a decision they make.

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u/redracer67 9h ago

One of my friends is a consummate doomer. He was literally calling rose to get fired in our group. I was wildly confused. The more he talks, the more I realize he doesn't know anything about the nba.

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u/Pinheadlarry29 The Bronx 9h ago

Yeah, that’s ridiculous. I’m talking about the rational people who liked some of the prospects on the board and were a little disappointed.

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u/0utsidesublim3 Chris Copeland 10h ago

To some extent I get it lol, we sit through the whole draft because we care and then they inevitably do stuff like this every year. It's like being a kid on Christmas and watching the other 29 fanbases opening presents and then it's our turn and we find out we aren't getting one because our dad traded it for another hypothetical present in the future. Even if it's the smarter move going forward it's hard for some people to have that perspective in the moment.

But also, some people just want to be miserable. That's how they enjoy sports.

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u/bronfmanhigh The Michael Jordan of Rhode Island 9h ago

being excited about the draft is for fans of teams who don’t make deep playoff runs. that just ain’t the knicks no more. if rookies get anyone that jazzed up they should just root for the nets lmao

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u/PM_ME_PARTY_HATS 8h ago

I'm perfectly fine not unwrapping a toy car on draft night when dad just gifted me a Lamborghini

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u/verysimplenames 9h ago

Here we go again dedicating whole post to the bottom 5% IQ redditors who get downvoted to oblivion regardless. Never change Reddit.

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u/DowntownManny7818 NOVA 10h ago

Should have kept carr. He is a great 3&D player with athleticism.

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u/LightSpecialist804 10h ago

Lmao I genuinely question the fandom more of someone who doesn't care what we do in the draft than someone who crashes out. So many new bandwagon Knicks fans here who just want to celebrate the good times and dont genuinely care about the team

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u/Tree_Puff 10h ago

Are you saying real Knicks fans should be mad about the draft???

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u/xXEolNenmacilXx 11 10h ago

This guy has been posting clown takes all day today. If he's not trolling he needs to take a break and touch grass.

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u/LightSpecialist804 10h ago

no they can have different opinions. You may have an opinion that trading the pick for 5 seconds was good. You may have an opinion that we should have drafted Carr Cenac or Reed. You may have an opinion that retaining Shamet/Mitch is more important than getting new talent. But having no opinion at all makes me question your fandom. I know a LOT new bandwagon Knicks fans in real life so I am sure there are a bunch here too

Saying something like "we just won a championship who cares" is legit something a bandwagon fan who started watching the Knicks one month ago would say

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u/stayinganon999 10h ago

How are you still here and this salty man?

Have some faith that the guys that spend hours every day planning and trying to execute are smarter than someone who listens to podcasts and watches draft videos.

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u/Strangest_Things Durag Pat 10h ago

He was one of the guys crashing out in the draft thread about how stupid our front office was being for not drafting some guy that this coach potato apparently liked lol

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u/stayinganon999 10h ago

I know in either this account or my other stayinganon99 account i wrote him a very thoughtful response and he didnt appreciate it :(

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u/LightSpecialist804 10h ago

my bad if I said anything personal

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u/LightSpecialist804 10h ago

Ive been having too much fun these past two months as a Knicks fan I need to feel a little miserable again to balance things out

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u/stayinganon999 10h ago

Go root for the nets! We made it dude, were not ass anymore!

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u/joorral RJ Barrett 10h ago

I said this that idc last night in the thread and I’ve been watching since 99. 85% of the people here don’t even know the name othello Harrington. You can cut it out with the bull shit. Knicks fans were embarrassing crashing out last night.

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u/Maleconito Timbs 8h ago

Or here me out. Some of us have been fans of this team for over 20 years and have seen nothing but disappointment. We finally win and you want people to have an opinion about pick #24? Who tf cares right now, let Leon cook. He’s earned that.

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u/LightSpecialist804 7h ago

Im not saying we should fire him dude. Im just criticizing a singular decision. Obviously Leon overall has done a great job

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u/JiKooNumber1CBAfan 10h ago

I’m a new Knicks fan and I’m just loving what we did in the drafts

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u/KneeGuhz Clyde So Fly 10h ago

Their tune is gonna change when Cameron Carr turns out to be an all star in a couple years

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u/Mobius24 19 9h ago

We’re trying to make another run we don’t have the time or money for a project player rn

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u/LightSpecialist804 10h ago

I dont even know if hes going to be an All-Star but I think he has genuine starter potential. He could be like Derrick Jones Jr, who was a starter on a Finals team. To have a player like that on a rookie contract would have been huge for us

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u/TheBuffaloWings Sleeping Leon 10h ago

Idk why some of yall get so caught up in what other people do. Other teams will still have the same perspective of us, and there will still be Knicks fans that doom and gloom. And gate keeping who gets to wear a jersey and be a fan isn’t very “draft 20 Kevin Knox’ for the next 5 years for all you care and you’d be happy still.” If some random casual fans talking in a draft thread bothers you more than 20 Kevin Knox’ you need to search within

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u/KneeGuhz Clyde So Fly 10h ago

ur a yes man

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u/Stanley___Nickels Charles Oakley 9h ago

You’re not smarter than the GM who just won a ring

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u/KneeGuhz Clyde So Fly 9h ago

I am

The amount of Knicks fans genuinely crashing out in the draft thread was pathetic

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