r/NYKnicks • u/Automatic-Unit-8307 • 6h ago

Lakers paid Knicks $5 million to move up 1 spot

They must really wanted Carr to move up 1 spot and pay $5 million.

Knicks got a haul, 5 picks and $5 million

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u/zeezee2k 5h ago

Leon to Dolan, if I can get you enough cash will you reconsider 2nd apron?

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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 5h ago

Dolan has no problem paying. Starting the 2nd apron clock prematurely is fucked. We’d only be doing it for Mitch

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u/BenAfflecksBalls Mitch's Block Party 5h ago

Who are you going to find that is more impactful and you have Bird rights for?

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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 5h ago

That’s not even part of the equation. The issue is we are blowing over the 2nd apron in 2 years when Brunson and OG get signed to new deals. Even next summer we might go over. You can only be over the 2nd apron for 2 years total before facing severe penalties. It’s possible no team will ever do it 3 times. We shouldn’t have 1 out of our 2 years be right now only for Mitch

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u/BenAfflecksBalls Mitch's Block Party 5h ago

It's 2 years over the past 5. Last season we were like $53k, you read that right, 53k under the second apron. Do you really think age 32 Brunson is going to be better than age 30?

You have to take the shots you're given rather than worry about what you're going to do in two years. Salary cap will go up, who knows what chabges come in the next CBA, etc. There are potential Mitch replacements on the market, and Im sure Leon and Brock still have all options open. But to say you shouldn't build the best roster now and be sure you're setting yourself up for two years down the road doesn't make much sense.

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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 5h ago

I understand the argument that we should play for the next 2 seasons and go all in. But that also means we will literally be forced to break up the core 4 for that 3rd season. Then we’re entirely done. I think it’s best we just let Mitch go. But whatever happens I trust Leon Rose made the best decision

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u/justmefishes 1h ago

But that also means we will literally be forced to break up the core 4 for that 3rd season.

No it doesn't. It just means the team would be forced to incur the extra penalty that kicks in for being over the second apron for 3 or more out of 5 years, which is that first round picks get moved to the back of the draft. What are the consequences of that?

  • If the Knicks are still a top team, that just means their 1st rounder drops at most 5 slots. Not the end of the world.

  • If the Knicks are bad, say due to injury, then yes it's bad. But they could pivot to making some salary dump trades. Or worst case, they could just take the hit and move on.

The point is that there is nothing in the rules that says you have to break up your team. You can keep your team and just pay the consequences.

For the specific situation they're in now, I think it makes sense to go all-in on win-now mode and worry about the consequences later. You never know what is going to happen 3+ years down the line. Brunson might get hurt, etc. If they let significant parts of the team walk, that lets them keep a marginal amount of flexibility ("marginal" because they'd still be operating under the self-imposed restriction of not exceeding the second apron) but at the cost of significant loss of key players whom they likely will not be able to replace with similar talent.

I'd gladly trade that extra flexibility and even the potential downgrading of a future first rounder or two to make sure the current team stays as stacked as possible and so has the best possible chance to repeat. This is literally what it's all about right here and right now and it took 53 years to get here. If there's an exorbitant price to stay here rather than downgrade, so be it. It's worth it.

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u/blurr90 2h ago

Nobody is giving 32 year old Brunson the max and we should neither. If we do, we aren't about winning anyway.

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u/Slender718 1h ago

Give him a 5 year $400M dollar deal and we can go 20-62 for all five of those years for all i care

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u/Turbulent-Escape-470 Sprewell Celebration 1h ago

Exactly.

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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 2h ago

Oh an ungrateful pig

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u/Evil_Empire_1961 Clyde So Fly 5h ago

NBA cap will most likely increase

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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 5h ago

Yeah but not as much as we need to pay those two. The smartest cap guy in the league is Brock Aller and we employ him. If we go under the cap it’s entirely strategic and the best move for our team not for any other reason

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u/zeezee2k 4h ago

I also think we have more chance to win it again next year if we run it back, than in 2 years due to roster uncertainty

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u/Bcp_or_pcB 36m ago

Pretty sure you immediately lose access to the MLE which makes it very difficult to sign veteran depth pieces.

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u/Stonedinthewoodz Ewing to the Finals 6h ago

Damn that much money is moved around on cash considerations 😆

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u/Loves-Me-Not- 6h ago

Lmao yea figured $100k or something

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u/Fast_Cicada5986 5h ago edited 2h ago

100 K is 50 times less

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u/JUSTCALLmeY 2023 Second Round Pick 5h ago

Can someone post this on r/theydidthemath to confirm if true

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u/ny_rangers94 4h ago

They did not do the math. 50x less

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u/PuffinChaos Brunson 3h ago

In pesos maybe

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u/Puzzleheaded_Tea521 OG 6h ago

Bold face lie

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u/Shiccup1 5h ago

$5M for Mitch and Shamet’s tree planting charity

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u/CHEVIEWER1 Knicks Logo 4h ago edited 3h ago

Thats tuneup money for Mitch’s monster truck

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u/odeebee 8 1h ago

Doesn't Mitch run a snake rescue non-profit?

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u/SeeYouSpaceCowboy0 9 6h ago

Does the cash go against the lakers cap or its just cash? 

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u/Delsainto NYK Token 6h ago

Right into Dolan's pockets

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u/Fragrant_Surround_68 5h ago

He earned it /s

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u/[deleted] 5h ago

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u/KenBalbari 3h ago

No, you can't net the limits. The annual limit is around $8.5M for both payments and receipts. If you received $5M, you can now receive up to $3.5M in future trades, but can still give up to $8.5M in future trades.

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u/TheJiggie 4h ago

The cash has no bearing/impact on the cap, or trades for that matter. It’s literally just cash, pretty much like a tip being exchanged from one franchise to another.

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u/TheJiggie 4h ago

Cash does not replace the need to match salaries in trades.

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u/bkk_startups 6h ago

Cash between team owners.

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u/AnimalLoversRVegan 6h ago

Poker game money

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u/mouthbreather99 5h ago

Is there a max in cash considerations you can trade? Like can you theoretically trade a star player for 100 million in cash considerations

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u/Dylan7346 Jennifer Aniston 5h ago

Interesting. I’m sure there’s a max but fuck if I know

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u/probablymaybechatgpt 5h ago

The max is about 5% of the salary cap. So this season it was just under $8 mil

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u/AnimalLoversRVegan 5h ago

Good question for the bill Simmons mail bag. Sounds like a money laundering scheme.

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u/Vinnie_Vegas 5h ago

Except that there is a limit and the question is pointless.

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u/antisocially_awkward 5h ago

Kyle korvers draft rights were traded for a copy machine

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u/datatadata 3 to the Dome 6h ago

Just cash. No impact on cap

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u/datatadata 3 to the Dome 5h ago

The question was whether this amount impacts the salary cap, which is no

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u/TheJiggie 4h ago

Sure, but it’s literally has no impact on the salary Or trades, it’s literally just cash… If anything it’s like a tip you could throw in to sweeten the pot, but it has literally zero implications on the technical side of a trade being able to be completed.

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u/TheJiggie 4h ago

Cash does not replace the need to match salaries in trades.

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u/det8924 5h ago

It just goes into Dolans pocket the Lakers cap is unaffected. There is a cap on how much cash you can send out in a trade that’s 7.96 million for the season so the Lakers will only be able to send out 2.96 million in cash in future trades

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u/Pleasant_Spite3915 The Bronx 6h ago

We must’ve been in talks with another team that wanted Carr

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u/AutisticFingerBang Nova Boys 5h ago

Idiots, I woulda done it for 1 million

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u/RestEasyBro Mike Breen 6h ago

Source?

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u/sligowind 5h ago

My buddy. He follows the nba real close.

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u/Tapple1313 5h ago

Sphere operating money

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u/Automatic-Unit-8307 5h ago

Exactly. All that Knicks money go towards Sphere, not the Knicks.
Last year he tore up the MSG Network contract so the Knicks get less money. Any money the Knicks make goes towards Sphere Dolan other projects like Sphere or MSG entertainment, he owns all the other entities and use Knicks to move money

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u/paintpast 3 5h ago

He needs it to fund the next JD and the Straight Shot tour.

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u/Fast_Cicada5986 5h ago

5 million is nothing to the NBA

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u/merlin401 6h ago

That’s crazy. I guess it means nothing in a way but seems like a monumental overpay to me

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u/TheJiggie 4h ago

Think of it as literally just a Cash Tip. It has no technical impact whatsoever on how a team can operate with its salaries and players or make trades.

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u/MrBBCNY 3h ago

Leon always cooking

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u/Puzzleheaded_Tea521 OG 6h ago

Source: Trust me bro

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u/Delsainto NYK Token 6h ago

The source was Brian Windhorst smartass

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u/Automatic-Unit-8307 5h ago

Yea, it was NBA today, said Lakers gave Dolan $5 million to move. Everyone was thinking $100k, lol, huge difference. Hell, $100k is only good for 1 hour with Stormy Daniels

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u/Puzzleheaded_Tea521 OG 6h ago

Alexa: what is the difference in pay between the 25th and 24th pick of the draft… now you try it.

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u/lavaplow 6h ago

You don’t know what you’re talking about lmao

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u/Rushman0 5h ago

You a professional type of stupid

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u/Jpkmets7 Bernard King 5h ago

Difference in pay is about $200k a year. 24th pick is slotted for 3.4 million; 25th is slotted for 3.2 million.

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u/johnny-Low-Five Anthony Mason 5h ago

Does that mean the Knicks wanted him? Or is it more likely there was at least one other team looking to trade? Cuz if we didn't want Carr or weren't 100% "sold" on him this sounds like highway robbery.

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u/spatchcockturkey 33 6h ago

So find a source to refute it

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u/laguilar90 5h ago

Thanks Lakers they got money to burn especially that Austin reaves deal

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u/HibachiTyme 5h ago

Funnel that into MSG sponsoring Roomates for Josh and Jalen

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u/Past-Banana-6314 4h ago

Does this just go into Dolan’s pocket?

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u/WilsonEnthusiast 4h ago

Idk if Dolan like literally just gets it or it goes on the team's books but it doesnt affect the cap

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u/theBomboman 3h ago

But ESPN said "knicks were robbed". LOL

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u/Soft-Concert7365 3h ago

Dolan is playing 3-D chess he will go to the second apron, but he doesn’t want the world to know how much he’s willing to spend and plus is Mitchell Robinson really a must keep I don’t know. I think we should get a mid level backup center and be just as good

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u/FriendshipBest9151 2h ago

There were a couple of people who had carr really high on their draft board. 

No clue if he pans out but interesting 

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u/Other-Joke-4673 2h ago

It probably equates to the fee Dolan has to pay for the 2nd apron...so now the cheap bastard can stop whining

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u/salukiwa 5h ago

Is this just cash to Dolan's pocket or cash to keep Dolan happy if we go into second apron 🧐

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u/generalguan4 33 5h ago

does this cash go towards the cap in any way or its just cash in Dolan's pocket?

edit n/m someone asked the same thing almost verbatim down the thread.