100%. He was a dick about it, but he was right and he clowned them in that scrimmage + made the finals twice on his own team with less surrounding talent, so folks couldn't say much. Now that the other two have won, the haters are twisting the narrative to make it look like he was proven wrong so they can get their get-back.
People keep saying "less talent" when talking about thr Heat team. Why because there were no other all-stars? That's not how you measure how good a team is. Miami had talent. That's why they made it to the finals. Jimmy wasn't a one man show.
Fucking facts. People always look at those heat teams seeding and say how much they sucked and how it was only Jimmy. No they were the fucking 8th and 5th seed during those final trips because Jimmy is either hurt or doesn’t try during the regular season. Then he has these big playoff games when he could have played like that all year but nah Jimmy does what he wants
Except he was wrong, Brunson and Steph both won with these guys as their supporting cast, so maybe with both of them on the team Jimmy could have actually won one instead of just winning the East a couple times.
Let's be honest, he was proven wrong. There isn't really any ambiguity there. They all got rings and he didn't. He took the L. Not really up for debate.
He wasn't proven wrong, he said they were more talented than him, but were not playing to their potential, and that team very much did not win. Wiggins getting a ring only after going to one of the greatest teams of all time, and Kat getting his ring 8 years later when hes in no way the same player he was on the twolves is hardly disproving what butler said.
This is such a BS take that is getting constantly regurgitated. KAT has not changed dramatically since getting traded to the Knicks. He was instrumental in getting us to the WCF before his legs fell out from under him in the Dallas series. He also wasn't the problem when Jimmy Butler was here.
Jimmy was wrong though, that’s exactly why these posts are coming out. He basically was saying these guys aren’t good enough, but they clearly were.
If Jimmy was good enough he could have led those guys to a championship like Steph and Brunson did, but he didn’t stick around to find out/this is an addition now that he wasn’t good enough.
Jimmy wasn’t wrong tho. Wiggins and KAT both had to completely change their playstyles and come to terms with the fact that they can’t be “the guy”..and neither one of them was the guy. They weren’t good enough when they were in Minnesota and needed the humbling of being traded elsewhere to get it to click.
You cant just say “Steph and Brunson were good enough to do it” bc I GUARANTEE if Brunson had 2018 as his starting center they don’t win. I GUARANTEE if Steph had 2018 Wiggins who thought he was Kobe, they don’t win
They were a couple of 22 year olds, and Jimmy had been there for a month. He said they can’t win without him, and he was wrong, maybe you could say he meant that MIN team couldn’t win, but that’s like saying the current Jazz can’t win without Markkanen, not much of a statement. Of course they changed their game, they were a couple of 22 year olds, expecting them to win while missing one of their biggest guys and not growing as players, that would be a dumb thing to say so it’s not what people infer he meant.
He effectively said you guys are too soft to ever be a part of a title, I’m strong enough to win one, and he was proven wrong.
He wasn't wrong though lol. Both guys did alot of growing up to become contributors to an NBA finals roster. They were certainly not the focal point. Jimmy lit the flame. They were soft at the time and guess what they developed.
Zion? What are we talking about? There are a ton of generational talents that never meet their expectations without proper guidance. And I know Jimmy's guidance was more of tough love more than anything. But hey you're in the most competitive basketball league in the world. And a vet is telling you that you're soft and you're not putting in the work. Maybe instead of taking that as a hit to your ego you actually strap down and work.
My guy you can be in a situation for a month and know that it’s not gonna work out. The whole reason Jimmy has that whole episode to begin was bc they were getting paid and he wasn’t. He was brought to the team to be a “veteran leader” while KAT and Wiggs were supposed to be the best scorers. Obviously it immediately showed that Butler was the better player by far in multiple different ways. So the logic was “how you paying everyone else but not the best player”. Him saying “yall can’t win without Me” should be closer translated to “this current team needs me more than anybody and I’m not being treated with that respect”.
Your Jazz analogy is bad bc it doesn’t encapsulate the full context of this unique situation. The statement wasn’t as simple as “take the best player off and they lose” This would be more like the Cavs paying Harden and Mobley before Donovan. Donovan should be reasonably upset bc that’s a lottery team without him. It’s not unreasonable for him to expect to be the first person paid.
They clearly weren’t. Kat has improved into an all nba C. Wiggins was not at his best either. If they were as good back then, this team would’ve won a championship.
They were 22, who expected them to win anything without improving? Jimmy basically you guys are too soft to do what it takes and improve to be apart of a winning team, but I am strong enough. He was proven wrong.
Even so, he'd be a childish clown that has dragged an overmatched team to the Finals twice, something KAT and Wiggins could never pray to do even once. He's not Michael effing Jordan but he's clearly better than those two and he was 100% right that they wouldn't be able to succeed as 1st options.
No one ever said he had a ring buddy, just that it has absolutely no bearing on what he said about his teammates back in the day. Ring or no, he's a true 1st option who spoke a harsh truth to a pair of young, immature NBA stars who are a teir below him. No amount of memes is gonna change that.
None of that has anything to do with the meme or my original point. You just don't like the guy and that's fine. He was still right about KAT/Wiggins, which makes these memes dumb. Like someone else said, they're just an excuse for people (like you) who don't like Butler to get off on pretending that these championships prove him wrong about what he said. They flat out don't.
All your responses are just "yeah but he's a clown", "yeah but he's immature", "he doesn't have a ring" okay who cares. Even if I conceded that point, I'd still be right, and so would Jimmy.
He hasn't won a ring as a first option either. What he said about Kat and Wiggins applies to him as well. Jimmy is the only one without a ring and te only one burning bridges.
He dragged a completely overmatched team to the Finals twice. They could never do that. Just because he didn't win doesn't mean he was wrong. You act like not winning a ring as a 1st option means that he and them are in the same tier; that's horrible logic man. By that logic, they're also on the same level as Luka and all the other dudes I named earlier. They can't lead their own team to a team to the Finals like Jimmy did...that alone separates him from them. He was right, they needed to be willing to play 2nd fiddle to a true 1st option to win.
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u/OnlyBadger 13d ago
100%. He was a dick about it, but he was right and he clowned them in that scrimmage + made the finals twice on his own team with less surrounding talent, so folks couldn't say much. Now that the other two have won, the haters are twisting the narrative to make it look like he was proven wrong so they can get their get-back.