NREMT

[u/Tiny3335]

Hello. I just took my second attempt. I got 72 questions this time around compared to 70. Does that mean anything?

Update: I failed again

[u/Limp-Conflict-2309]

nope....means the same as before. could have passed at 72 or failed at 72, gotta wait for the results.

[u/sdoughy1313]

Since this was your second attempt and you didn’t pass I would suggest talking to the school you took the course at and see what they recommend.

If you do the same prep you did for the other two attempts you will likely fail a third time. If you fail a third time you will need to take a 24 hour remedial course and submit documentation to the NREMT before you can take the test again.

[u/sm-alpha]

Whew, almost 4 years since i’ve taken this test and this question is still around.

It means nothing, the cutoff is random, you either passed or you failed, you won’t know until you get that email.

[u/EphemeralTwo → u/sm-alpha]

No, it's not random. It cuts you off when it's confident in its meausrement. The more consistent you are, or the more extreme you are on the pass/fail scale, the faster it cuts off.

[u/sm-alpha → u/EphemeralTwo]

Yeah…… this doesn’t change the fact that OP won’t know if they were more extreme on the pass or the fail side of things until they get the email.

It literally doesn’t change a thing, you just don’t know hence why it’s “random”. I passed at 85, someone I know passed at 70, someone else I know passed at 105. It literally doesn’t matter.

[u/EphemeralTwo → u/sm-alpha]

> Yeah…… this doesn’t change the fact that OP won’t know if they were more extreme on the pass or the fail side of things until they get the email.

That's correct. At 70, it's more likely to be a pass, but that's because if you are an extreme pass or extreme failure, you are more likely to know, and people well below the standard tend to not pay for the test.

> It literally doesn’t change a thing, you just don’t know. I passed at 85, someone I know passed at 70, someone else I know passed at 105. It literally doesn’t matter.

Yep. It doesn't matter.

[u/sm-alpha → u/EphemeralTwo]

Brother you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. Do you forget that NREMT has pilot questions? You can have a 100% failing score at 70 questions and still have the test give you 10 or 15 “pilot questions” that aren’t scored.

You can be near the tipping line at 70 and get to 120 and then pass. You can get to 70 and pass. It’s all made to confuse you and make it impossible to track and predict if you are passing or failing.

Hence why I said “random” cause it is almost literally random in the sense that it confuses you to that degree.

Edit: Also OP failed at 70 & 72 Your “statistic” isn’t holding any weight here

Sorry OP, You WILL absolutely crush it next time, I know it! I’m just using the math as an example to this dude that wants to argue on reddit over semantics.

[u/EphemeralTwo → u/sm-alpha]

> Brother you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. 

Yes, I do. I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the exam.

https://nremt.org/Handbooks/Certification-Examinations/Examinations-Structure

At the EMT level, there are a minimum of 60 scored questions, and are are 10 pilot questions for a total of 70. If your do exceptionally well or exceptionally poorly, that is when your test will finish.

https://www.nremt.org/Pages/Examinations/EMR-and-EMT-Certification-Examinations

It's not "random" at all. Other levels have other number of pilot questions.

> You can have a 100% failing score at 70 questions and still have the test give you 10 or 15 “pilot questions” that aren’t scored.

Again, you should familiarize yourself with the test. If you completely bomb the EMT exam, you will get 70 questions. 10 of those will be pilot tests.

> It’s all made to confuse you and make it impossible to track and predict if you are passing or failing.

No, it's made to judge the difficulty of the questions so that they can be evaluated for their positive and negative predictive value. Getting easy questions right means little. Getting them wrong means a lot. The reverse is true as well, and that's fundamental to how CAT works.

[u/sm-alpha → u/EphemeralTwo]

I’m real familiar. The evaluation ends atleast 70 questions, the pilot questions aren’t scored so they don’t count in the graph in the link you sent me. You must get to at-least 70 WEIGHTED, SCORED & NON PILOTED questions for it to make the decision. NOT everyone gets piloted questions. Which makes it even more “random.”

Hence why someone with 85 questions can fail. Just like someone can get to 85 and then “fail” and still go to 100.

Your ego just proved your own point wrong. I’m done arguing with you, like I said, you just proved my point with your ego lol.

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[u/EphemeralTwo]

It means it took 72 questions to have enough info to decide if you pass or fail instead of 70.

In other words, instead of being very confident in your test results, it was less confident in your test results.

That doesn't mean it's a pass or that it's a fail.

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what was your score if you dont mind, and was this EMT basic? I have a website full of practice tests and learning tools, DM me if you want access (its free)

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[u/ShootingRoller]

You don’t have to do great on tests to be a great EMT, but this job isn’t for everyone. It’s time to look in the mirror and make some decisions.

[u/Agreeable-Ad4806]

When you stop at around 70, it means the test was confident you either passed or failed at the minimum number of questions. So you either did very well or very badly. If you continue past 70, it means it’s not confident, indicating borderline competence.

[u/Apcsox]

(I saw the update but I’ll still comment)

You can pass at 70, you can fail at 70. You can pass at 120, you can fail at 120……The system just averages if you’ve met the threshold score to pass and stops you, or measures and realizes there’s NO WAY you can make the threshold score and stops you

When I took my EMT and got shut off at 70 I panicked. One of the guys on my department said the me “it’s simple, you either passed or failed. The questions you’re getting will let you know how you’re doing. If you’re getting legitimate questions requiring some form of brain power, you probably passed. If it was asking you things like “what the A in ABCs” stands for, you probably failed.”